It's the first thing I think of. People have become extremely sensitive about guns in public. It's a a hot button issue on a lot of people's minds.
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No Indictment in Ohio Wal-Mart Police Shooting
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It's the first thing I think of. People have become extremely sensitive about guns in public. It's a a hot button issue on a lot of people's minds.
By the "he was carrying what appeared to be a weapon" defense
Which is his right.
Gordon Shumway
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Certainly depends who's holding it, for the most part..some people shake their dicks/aim guns at offices..some just stand there and get got.
Sho_Nuff82
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http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/gp9.68
Ohio law is not ambiguous on this, Walmart doesn't owe anyone shit.
No that's what you've been doing this whole time.
Okay then explain to me how is supposed to purchase an item that he picked up off of the shelf?
Corronchilejano
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Correct me if I'm wrong but... that means squat, because that still isn't even illegal.
When I saw the thread title I was going to get upset but then I though "LOL what did I expect" and then got sad instead :/
And as always there's a defense force here too? Or if they were just misinformed hopefully they have a better understanding of the context of this entire thing now.
And as always there's a defense force here too? Or if they were just misinformed hopefully they have a better understanding of the context of this entire thing now.
Yeah, i placed edits in that post after watching both the WHIO security videos
Jmanunknown
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Dang that is messed up I guess only the police department and the 911 caller are on the hook for this when it comes to law suits.
Another poster called it a toy and asked my opinion of whether or not I thought it was a toy and if not, then what. And that's my explanation.
I am not the one that threw down that particular gauntlet.
Or you know, maybe a store employee should be walking any purchase like a rifle or an air rifle up to the register to help prevent this very situation? I dunno. That makes sense to me.
I'll bet this wal-mart doesn't just hand over actual rifles to customers to put in their cart.
Big Baybee
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Yea I just left that one alone. As a person who owned bb/pellet guns a a child, they are toys. You shoot squirrels and cans with them. But, opinions.
The saddest thing is seeing my mom's reaction to stories like these. She can't even be angry anymore, she just sighs and shakes her head.
It's crazy to think about, but I am in the first generation of people in my family to be fully born after the passing of the 60's civil rights laws. Not even one full generation removed. That's why I get so angry when people describe the movement as "A long time ago!" because it isn't.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Usually, you don't use "real talk" to preface idiocy
Did you watch the video? Have you done any research on this at all? Did you read any of the numerous posts/articles/information that the exact opposite of what you seem to think is accurate?
Stop posting rubbish.
How does stuff like this not = a ban?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's what's known as "sarcasm"
Gotta keep up with the actual racist posters, they're always predictable in these threads
Gordon Shumway
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And here I thought we were pals..start a petition, I guess..sport.
If the people who actually committed the shooting, in a position of authority and profession, are not going to be punished or held accountable for it, why should the caller?
At most the caller should be charged with filing a false police report. The shooting is not his liability.
The silence is deafening.
Glad I'm not the only one to notice she does that, not only in this thread all the way back to the original Trayvon thread then the trial thread as well, multiple times in the Ferguson thread.
Zoe
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I don't feel it's productive to respond to someone who is openly hostile to me in threads that I don't even participate in.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It doesn't really matter, anyone paying attention is already aware of patterns
not psycho
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It looks like he is relaxed, swinging the air rifle at his side without pointing it anywhere, and then is suddenly surprised and shot.
No audio, so we can't say for sure. Maybe the police were just off camera yelling orders at him and he was completely unfazed, giving no outward sign he even noticed their existence.
Or maybe it is exactly what the video tells us. He was blissfully unaware that a team of cops was coming to kill him, swinging the air rifle harmlessly at his side, and was shot only instants after the police (presumably) yelled orders and startled him. Orders he wouldn't have had time to process in that situation.
All of which could have been prevented by someone on the loudspeaker saying "shopper in aisle 11, someone reported you as having a real gun and pointing it at kids. Real or not, please put it down as the police have arrived." Among other ways. Instead they charged in and killed him before he knew what was happening. It's just too sad.
No audio, so we can't say for sure. Maybe the police were just off camera yelling orders at him and he was completely unfazed, giving no outward sign he even noticed their existence.
Or maybe it is exactly what the video tells us. He was blissfully unaware that a team of cops was coming to kill him, swinging the air rifle harmlessly at his side, and was shot only instants after the police (presumably) yelled orders and startled him. Orders he wouldn't have had time to process in that situation.
All of which could have been prevented by someone on the loudspeaker saying "shopper in aisle 11, someone reported you as having a real gun and pointing it at kids. Real or not, please put it down as the police have arrived." Among other ways. Instead they charged in and killed him before he knew what was happening. It's just too sad.
Brawndo Addict
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Ohio's an open carry state too if I recall correctly.
Gordon Shumway
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Doesn't matter in this case, unfortunately for him and his family..they must be utterly devastated by this ruling. Just adding insult to unwarranted death.
outunderthestars
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Wow.
Spring-Loaded
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Can you blame him?
Slayer-33
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Holy shit lol
You remember the "reflective clothing" nonsense?
You're not posting in this thread?
Brawndo Addict
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Obviously the rules don't apply the same to nonwhites, but I bet there are standardized police protocols for responding to open carry. I imagine the grand jury heard none of that though as the police probably got an out by blaming the 911 caller for claiming he was threatening and violent.
Gordon Shumway
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Omg and "safety colors" had me dying..
Dreams-Visions
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Call me stupid. I expected an indictment. The video evidence appears quite damning.
I believe someone got banned earlier in this thread for a similar post...
Version 3.0
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I'm stunned that they can officially claim he ignored orders when there's video evidence showing the opposite. He clearly never knew they were there until the second they shot him.
These officers may not deserve the most severe charges, since they were working with poor information, but at the very least, they're not fit to serve. Any idiot can show up shooting. I thought police received training. And I don't mean target practice.
Sickening.
These officers may not deserve the most severe charges, since they were working with poor information, but at the very least, they're not fit to serve. Any idiot can show up shooting. I thought police received training. And I don't mean target practice.
Sickening.
Which country are you from again?
Yeah those threads really showed me the mental gymnastics some people go through to victim blame when said victim is black.
He wrote it about another poster not about this fine country of ours...
The two posts aren't similar.
Probably the US.
I think he means "this" like he's metaphorically pointing his finger at the USA.
Version 3.0
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There is audio in the video I saw, although it's coming through the 911 phone call, so it's hard to make out distant sounds:
http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/special-grand-jury-selected-john-crawford-case/nhRwM/
I don't hear them at all until the instant of the shot. He clearly didn't, either. They snuck up and surprised him.
Gordon Shumway
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Seems to be a bit of non-mod folks talking about bans in this thread..what gives?
I don't know, he might be a black man in living in the US and if that's the case, he knows how shitty it is.
They ran up on him and shot him immediately.
Edit: I really wish I didn't watch that.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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#notalltonecops
LQX
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One part or me thinks you cant really blame the police in a situation like this as a witness called in saying there is a man with a gun; they show up and there is indeed a man with a gun, but the way he is just killed with no warning....I don't know what to make of it. They did not try at all to deescalate the situation if there was one, just bam, bam, bam.....oh the witness was wrong. That fucking witness, ugh, two people dead because he embellished his story.
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