No Man's Sky - August 9, 2016
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More_Badass
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Always roll with the punches. Those are the best experiences
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
I'm not entirely sure if they have control to prevent it from happening. I'd imagine some of these planets could be incredibly hostile considering we have upgrades to get so we also need a reason to get them. I'm really hoping that I start on a really tough planet so the feeling of escape for the first time is heightened.
Karak
Member
They do have control of starting parameters.
With all the websites already getting set up for telling stories, logging locations and stuff with PC I am going that route. I am sure they will work in some way with console but having seen it. I am not 100 convinced it will be the fps I would like to see a game like this on the PS4. While hopefully the PC will allow that. This in 4k? Oh ya.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Yeah to an extent, I'm just kind of wondering how they've gone about it. I hope they haven't just set all planets within the spawn zone to have a forgiving level of danger since it limits how dynamic our starting experiences could be. I can't imagine they've been able to actually check each one to make sure so I'm hoping there's at least a small chance of landing on a very dangerous planet from the start.
Edit: I probably worded that wrong. The parameters are definitely up to them, I suppose what I meant was I'd hope they've left wiggle room for some interesting starts considering visually checking each one must be impossible.
Steam only has the minimum so far:
MINIMUM:
OS: Windows 7
Processor: Intel Core i3
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: nVidia GTX 480
Storage: 10 GB available space
Has the penalty for death been confirmed yet? Im hoping its pretty severe >
IIRC, You lose resources found since your last save, and any discoveries you have not uploaded, and then respawn near your ship (or in it, in space).
Which to me, is pretty severe. Especially if save points are fewish between; I hate losing progress. I will be exploring with caution.
These are four different planets in just one star system (video):
So I'm not too concerned about the proc gen system. There are hundreds of base models from which the procedural generation does its work, and things are generated in ways that resemble how our real universe works. If all you can do is think about the numbers and variables when you look at these screenshots, it might not be the game for you.
I'd also say that this game is going to have many more strange creatures than the usual orcs and stereotypical aliens you see in most games. If anything regarding the proc gen may disappoint in some way, it'll probably be the skeletal animation. But I haven't seen any creatures that look terrible so far.
I still think people are gonna see some unexpected things out there, or at least things most people don't realize are possible in space. I know NMS is supposed to be fun over reality, but from what I've read about astronomy there is some pretty weird shit out there in our actual universe.
I think I remember one NMS playtester saying something about finding a planet completely shrouded in black clouds. It really depends on what factors for planets Hello Games has in mind. I think Murray already confirmed they're not really factoring in the differing gravity between planets, at least they aren't factoring it into player movement. We also know planets will generally be one-biome.
Obviously the type of star and distances from stars will be a factor, but what about atmospheric pressure? Will the age of a star (and planets) be a factor in what kind of life has evolved there? Will planets really close to their stars be tidally locked? Will tidally locked planets be super hot on the day side and super cold on the night side? Will the oceans on different planets be composed of things other than water? Will there be geysers and volcanoes? Will all those volcanoes and geysers spew lava or will some spew ice and methane? Will the distance of a planet from its sun determine the difference between a water world and a frozen ice world? Will there be planets so far away from their host stars that they'll receive no light at all and be covered in total pitch blackness? Can atmospheric pressure still make those planets warm? Can the lack of a thick atmosphere make a closer planet unusually cool? Are those things affected by the strength of a planet's magnetic field? Are we gonna see huge asteroids made of certain elements? Comets made of water ice? We know there will be multiple star systems, but will there be both wide binaries and close binaries? Triple systems? Quadruple?
Just a few factors to think about.
RageWaffles
Member
I'm planning on accepting my fate, too. I even feel like I might be disappointed if I start on an "easy" planet. Those pre-order bonuses for the extra resources and upgraded multi-tool or whatever? Definitely not using them.
Great. Now I want John Candy to be my sidekick.
More_Badass
Member
One journalist already foolishly dove into an acid lake, so I imagine acid oceans are a possibility
eyeball_kid
Member
I kind of hope Hello ports to the Mac after release. I think it would do well on that platform. I'd probably play there instead of the PS4 if I had a choice.
I imagine a good strategy for exploration will be puddle-jumping – taking your ship to a new area of a planet, exploring within a certain radius, then flying back to the upload site. Rinse and repeat. More laborious, but safer.
I think the death penalty is fairly reasonable. Imagine if every time your ship blew up you had to craft a new one!
I imagine a good strategy for exploration will be puddle-jumping – taking your ship to a new area of a planet, exploring within a certain radius, then flying back to the upload site. Rinse and repeat. More laborious, but safer.
I think the death penalty is fairly reasonable. Imagine if every time your ship blew up you had to craft a new one!
I'll accept my fate. Even if the starting planet I get is harsh it's still my starting planet. Trying to fix that by wiping the game just doesn't seem right.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
I'm kinda worried about getting a really boring and easy starting planet. I want to feel I conquered my first world.
I was hoping that to make up for the delay, they'd turn the "Limited Edition" to the "Special Edition" without the scarcity.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It's great to see so many people are willing to suffer from the outset. It will make the sense of exploration far more satisfying once you've left the planet and beefed up your equipment. I got that from Don't Starve and loved it ... Well, when I say 'loved it', that's not exactly accurate. I couldn't get passed 2 days for quite some time. 120 days was my record until I decided to take on a walrus to make a walking cane. I really do hope No Man's Sky is just as unforgiving. If it isn't though, I'll still enjoy it.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Alright be honest anybody in here going to have the space balls to try and take down a space station
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I'm not. I don't mind taking on the elements but I'm not stirring the hornets nest, especially when the hornets nest may be the faction that gives me some juicy upgrades. I'll save it for the tribes, something not ever mentioned but I'm sure they'll be there.
eyeball_kid
Member
I agree, though it depends how realistic their model is.
The biggest question mark for me is whether NMS will have geologic features like volcanoes and geysers. It's hard to imagine classic sci-fi planets without volcanoes in the distance.
Icyflamez96
Member
I like how the latest NMS thread always basically becomes an OT
ProvenDeadly
Member
I'm just wondering if there's anyway a team of about a dozen people can make a game that lives up to the AAA type hype this game has gotten. Hopeful because the concept is awesome.
WiiRevolution1
Member
I don't mean to sound like a broken record since I know people always go into these threads asking "but what do you do?" but kinda got hyped again reading this thread so wanted to ask:
I generally know most of the basic details. Going to the center of the galaxy (but dunno if you can go back to reexplore a planet or explore new ones) etc. but I want to know how the online works in full if thats answerable.
I've heard that if you log something others can see it, and that the game is always online connected so I can discover a already logged planet. But if the game is precedural, how can it work if its all randomized? Also that is alot of data to store online. Seems like it could be full of glitches. I hope it goes ok!
Also, can two people meet and do stuff, maybe even team up long term? If anyone has a list of all online points I'd like that. I know most other things but the online elude me. It seems much more worth it to play online. So if I get this I'd probably get PS+ again too.
Edit: Forgot to ask: can you customize the look of your character and/or play as a girl?
I generally know most of the basic details. Going to the center of the galaxy (but dunno if you can go back to reexplore a planet or explore new ones) etc. but I want to know how the online works in full if thats answerable.
I've heard that if you log something others can see it, and that the game is always online connected so I can discover a already logged planet. But if the game is precedural, how can it work if its all randomized? Also that is alot of data to store online. Seems like it could be full of glitches. I hope it goes ok!
Also, can two people meet and do stuff, maybe even team up long term? If anyone has a list of all online points I'd like that. I know most other things but the online elude me. It seems much more worth it to play online. So if I get this I'd probably get PS+ again too.
Edit: Forgot to ask: can you customize the look of your character and/or play as a girl?
eyeball_kid
Member
- You can play online or offline. If offline, obviously your discoveries aren't uploaded to the server.
- The game is procedural, but the algorithm ensures it generates the same galaxy for everyone.
- You can name planets, creatures, and ship models. If anyone encounters one of these, they'll see the name you gave it.
- No, this data is fairly small considering most people will probably only discover 50-100 planets, and we're only talking about saving some bits of text in a database. All of the data that would make it huge (i.e. digging a hole) are only saved on your local computer/PS4.
- You have the ability to see another player, but you can't interact with them. If they blew a hole into the ground, you probably won't see that. Multiplayer may change post-launch, but for now all you can do is see someone, and given the size of the universe the chance of you stumbling onto someone else on a planet is extremely remote.
- You can see the location of your friends on the galaxy map, so theoretically you could spend a few weeks/months traveling to the same planet. But you wouldn't be able to do anything together.
- You can't see your player model, and the only time you'd be able to do that is if you saw another player. And if you did, you'd only see a spacesuit. So no, there's no concept of gender in the game, and no customization of your suit (beyond functional changes) that I've heard of.
It's really gonna depend on how imaginative Hello Games is. The universe is procedural and will definitely put together things they don't expect, but it's still based on their rules, rules limited by their imagination. Murray wants the game to be an interactive 70's sci-fi book cover, but I hope Hello Games did its homework or at least watched Cosmos before setting the rules of this game, instead of just doing things based on common sci-fi tropes. Astronomers have found things that are in some cases far more interesting and unusual than what sci-fi writers have been able to think up, often things right here in our solar system.
WiiRevolution1
Member
Alright, thanks for all the info!
Online isn't advanced as I'd hope, but even discovering a already discovered planet sounds really cool. And the main thing seems to be endless exploration so its something I'll think heavily on getting.
I direct you to this post of mine (which is confirmed to be in the game by Sean, the art director, and different journalists in various previews):
The art director even said that the game almost gets to like survival horror levels of 'this planet/that animal is fucking creepy' when you're nearer the galactic centre. Apparently shit starts getting unsettling and truly alien.
Haha, you got me - although in the big main post I made it clear which bits which unconfirmed/uncertain.
vix
Member
I really hope we can go plaid in the game. I so want my hyperdrive to go plaid. That would be amazing.
Handy Fake
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OneEightZero
aka ThreeOneFour
vix
Member
We've been told there are different ships, right? Ones geared more towards combat, others geared towards trading. I'm sure they're keeping a lot of stuff hidden so what if there is a ship that sort of looks boxy like an RV...
It could be a trader ship that could have upgradable storage space size.
I think anything could be possible. We really have only been shown the surface of the game.
It could be a trader ship that could have upgradable storage space size.
I think anything could be possible. We really have only been shown the surface of the game.
Gusy
Member
This caught my attention. I thought the procedural generation system went even further than that, having an effect on the type/shape of the grass. I thought there were no planets with exactly the same grass.. Am I wrong?
Icyflamez96
Member
According to Sean, we haven't seen much. He's only been deliberately showing us more familiar/vanilla stuff. Whether or not you want to take that with a grain of salt is up to you.
legacyzero
Banned
If anything, the delay gave me more time to compile and work on the OT. Silver lining!
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Now I gotta watch that movie again lolIf anything, the delay gave me more time to compile and work on the OT. Silver lining!
We're too smart for this game. We're speculating about what this game has to offer based upon the astronomy we learned. Too bad there's a quote that shatters our perceived scientific notions about this hyped game:
"There are rules, and wherever we have a situation where we're like 'this is how science works, and this is how gameplay works', gameplay always wins," says Murray. "So, for instance, we say that you have a suit, and that means that gravity is kind of nullified. It's super weird to have a game where, every planet you land on, you walk at a different speed, you run at a different speed and you jump at a different speed."
I wish things as simple as gravity could be implemented. During developer brainstorming, they likely said, "Hmm, if you landed on a massive planet and couldn't escape gravity, does the game crash or end? F- that, let's just make gravity constant no matter what. Cool? OK, planets in real life are pretty varied, but for F- sake let's make a planet only have a single biome. Cool? Hey you, copy and paste another dinosaur here."
Grass is still grass. Variable constraints will make grass extend the archetype grass class in the game: slender blades of plant material of a single color hue arising from the surface and tapering to a point. Pretty simple.
Like I mentioned, we've "figured" this game out, especially by the time we get to see more unusual things. We already know the templates and the different components.
Oh, that's a somewhat creepy looking flying manatee. Ah, the allow_flying() function is now turned on, meh. Hmm, a rabbit with bat wings. Yeah, allow_bat_wings() is now universally active, meh. My friend saw a horse with bat wings, my mom saw a cat with bat wings, my cousin saw a cow with bat wings...meh, meh, meh.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Im glad you played it.
Wickerbasket
Member
Game looks amazing. Some of the scenery looks genuinely beautiful.
I'm bummed about the delay, but I'm sure they wouldn't have delayed it if they didn't have to.
Looking forward to sharing screenshots of all the weird creatures with Gaffers on release though!
I'm bummed about the delay, but I'm sure they wouldn't have delayed it if they didn't have to.
Looking forward to sharing screenshots of all the weird creatures with Gaffers on release though!
Hopefully Hello Games realizes that a lot of science actually can be fun from the standpoint of a commercial game. I understand why they made gravity constant and why there won't be gas giants. Planets being one-biome is a bit of a disappointment but I can see they did it to encourage constant exploration from planet to planet.
eyeball_kid
Member
I finally read that Rolling Stone piece, and it does seem that our starting worlds could be a utopia or a fight for survival:
Players spawn on serene and idyllic planets complete with soothing John Tesh-y keyboards, or they emerge to find a soundtrack of urgent and ominously surging synths, on a world "completely barren or toxic or radioactive. That's just your luck. Kind of like being born."
I'm not sure who you mean by "we", but even the creators still seem to be surprised by the planets they visit. You could reduce any game to a spreadsheet if you wish to, but that seems like a soulless way to look at the medium. Games, like movies, require some suspension of disbelief and some imagination.
Players spawn on serene and idyllic planets complete with soothing John Tesh-y keyboards, or they emerge to find a soundtrack of urgent and ominously surging synths, on a world "completely barren or toxic or radioactive. That's just your luck. Kind of like being born."
I'm not sure who you mean by "we", but even the creators still seem to be surprised by the planets they visit. You could reduce any game to a spreadsheet if you wish to, but that seems like a soulless way to look at the medium. Games, like movies, require some suspension of disbelief and some imagination.
Icyflamez96
Member
Can you elaborate? Without going into detail about your source.
Pestilence11
Member
My guess is it's not performing the greatest on PS4 because of the relatively weak CPU. I hope I'm wrong but it seems likely that the world generation would be murderous on the Jaguar.
Thor Molecules
Member
Clearly the creators are just dumber than him. Probly could've created the game by himself. How hard it could it be? You just palette swap grass and dinosaurs. Something something something Peter Molyneux something something Spore.
You're simplifying their process here (and not giving them any credit). It's not a binary 1/0 parameter switch. The system is smarter than that. It's more fluid. It's more like the NaturalMotion Euphoria system: tick-by-tick it makes unique changes to each parameter to give crazy/unpredictable results. It doesn't just plug pre-set parameters into each other. It changes the actual parameters too.
I think it's Edge Magazine's preview where they discuss how it works. The way they described it is like this (I'm paraphrasing but it's exactly what they described):
'Say there's a planet with some animals who are shaped like dogs. The system has generated limb length, muscle build, limb number, head number, colour, fur type, 'accessories', etc, etc. But closer to the galactic centre the animation skeletons start morphing and warping away from what the model-type is, to increasingly extreme ends.
In this example, the computer looks at the model of the 6-legged-dog, then looks at our huge database of animation skeletons, and grabs a non-matching one (because we're near the centre), for instance the animation skeleton for a bird. It takes this animation skeleton and the model of the dog-thing, and then starts tweaking the bird animation to fit the shape of the dog, bit by bit, while simultaneously tweaking the model of the dog-thing to match the bird-skeleton, bit by bit.
It does a gradual, procedural, moment-by-moment change to create a completely new animation skeleton - which in turn creates a really weird set of movements/motions/postures for an already-unique creature.
There are multiple layers of by-degree uniqueness being introduced, basically.
You say 'we already know how it's procedural', but frankly, you know jack shit.
Yeah, we've heard other stuff about the PS4 being a big problem for it. There was another rumour about the game struggling to run on PS4. This is why I'm definitely buying on PC.
If there are actual problems with the gameplay experience? Well shit, then I'll have to eat some crow.
Okay, that's enough – what the hell is your problem?
How did you get 'gravity is constant for the player due to their suit' to equate to 'gravity is the same throughout the universe'? I'm pretty sure gravity varies for planets. It's just your suit that keeps you straight. They're just talking about it from the player's perspective as a mechanical experience.
FYI I'm not saying the game will be great and I don't predict it will be great. It might be absolutely terrible. But you're being so agonisingly reductive here.
HarryHengst
Member
I was looking at trailer for GTA. I saw a yellow car, and a red airplane , and a blue motorcycle. Guess i figured the game out, its all just randomly generated vehicles. Boring game, wont play again, 1/10.
