Spieler Eins
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Truth. Only 3DS is legit, BUT, New 3DS is around the corner, so the original is also a pretty bad christmas present.
NoA: "there are more great games on Nintendo platforms than anywhere else!"
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Truth. Only 3DS is legit, BUT, New 3DS is around the corner, so the original is also a pretty bad christmas present.
Haunted
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This advertisement* is factually** true***
I'm pretty sure that was a conscious decision.
I think if you're going to brag, you're going to get mocked or not depending on how good the quality of your brag is. Not all brags are made equal.
If it's based on something like, our system was the best selling system in all major regions this month, you're pretty safe.
If it's something like "our family of systems sold better than a single system of our competitors", you're going to get mocked pretty ruthlessly on places like GAF (as Microsoft did earlier this year).
And I think this campaign falls more into the latter category, given it's based on Metacritic User scores, and seems to arbitrarily exclude lots of games to get where Nintendo wants to get it to.
It's counter tactics - because the Media has put Nintendo down for being "under" the other two consoles due to sales, so Nintendo's response, as it should be, is if you compare software, Nintendo has the very best, both critically and by the actual user rating.
prag16
Banned
"Trash tier". Expressing opinions is one thing, but doing so in as trollish a manner as possible I guess is something some people find fun. Especially when it's a very strange opinion to hold when you're admittedly someone who thinks 3DS library is great.
I think Nintendo's point was we have killer software, and more of it, than anyone else. OF course the counter is no third party support and not counting PC, but they specifically compare to current generation consoles. I mean, what's this, a company focusing on the one major positive calling card? I mean, PS4 can boast sales. Xbox One can boast holiday sales, price, and more exclusives currently than Sony. Nintendo can boast more exclusives than both combined... but does that matter if sales are low? It won't in marketing - so their positive spin is not only do we have great games that review well, the users agree with the reviews.
Metacritic as a basis is a different discussion, because it IS considered the industry standard for this, whether or not we like it.
What would have been bad is if they said used the user scores in the eShop as defense, because that would be too much bias. Metacritic users have no reason to score games highly if they don't agree. Nintendo only users may do it because it's all they know.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
How did the media "put Nintendo down" if as you acknowledged, they praised Nintendo's games and exclusives?
He/She thinks one system is good and one is bad. Where's the problem?
Donkey Kong didn't make the rediculously high criteria set. It has a 83, not an 85. This was likely because at 85+, it mad ethings look more one sided, while at 80+, it evens out a bit more and doesn't look as drastic.
Plus, that many titles at 85+ IS pretty impressive in a single generation.
And the thing is, lots of people consider third party games, digital games, PC games, to be fairly important, so the end result makes the brag look a little toothless to many. Hence the mockery.
I mean, the critic score, sure. It's used for things as important as developers bonuses and the like. The User score isn't really held to the same esteem, and that's the one Nintendo went with here apparently.
Well, let me rephrase that - the Media didn't intentionally put Nintendo under the bus. That suggests an agenda. What i mean to say is that most of the stories around Nintendo not related directly to the games they are making has been negative. Wii U sales still low. 3DS sales strong, but behind all prior handhelds. Yearly losses. Iwata apologizing. It's been nonstop negative coverage for the last couple of years, with the only positive moments coming when these outlets actually play the games. "yup, Nintendo still has it". The media isn't to BLAME for the negativity as they should be posting the facts as they stand.
However, it shouldn't be considered wrong for Nintendo to point out the one big positive the media seems to agree on - Nintendo ahs the best games. I mean, they won Developer of the year in 2014. They should boast, because they want some positive press.
It would be different if the boasting can't be backed up. Now the question is what's next for them, because having great software hasn't proven to be enough to move hardware.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Wrong. It's based on the Metascore (average of critic reviews) and the user score (average of user reviews). That's not arbitrary. That's taking both critics and fans into account. And 85/8.5 is a pretty standard "great" score.
Well, what user score should they use? I mean, in a public fashion, it would look odd to say 85+ score on metacritic and then a 85+ user score from say, Miiverse or from IGN or wherever. It makes sense to use the user score from teh same site. There also is a small history of the user score representing how the players actually feel, versus what the critics said.
prag16
Banned
I guess coming across looking like a d-bag doesn't matter to some people. That's fine. No problem.
EDIT: It is odd that the vita wasn't counted at all. Especially given it has a decent following in Japan.
I'll put my two cents in.
I know it's advertising and all and I think Opiate (or someone else?) said it best.
And for those who are wondering why this is being called out...
Having a requirement of an 8.5 User score is atrocious... even for marketing.
If you ever look at any high profile games on Metacritic, (or controversial/broken games) it is full 0s and 10s with no place in between. Even the level headed people who give 10s and 0s might say in their review they only gave that score to "balance the reviews" and give their real score in the text.
Taking away that User criteria, the consoles rip away the competition, despite the Wii U having a year lead.
I'm not in it for the console warzz ( I have every console and portable out besides 'the One' and Ouya) but they could market this sooooo much better if they actually focused on content rather than list warzzz.
I mean, you don't think a fucking 3rd grader can point out that XBO/PS4 has more than 8 high ranked new-gen games besides the Wii U? It's only going to hurt them in the long-run and cause it to not be as effective to their educated audience.
ITT : SmokyDave doesn't disappoint
I know it's advertising and all and I think Opiate (or someone else?) said it best.
And for those who are wondering why this is being called out...
Having a requirement of an 8.5 User score is atrocious... even for marketing.
If you ever look at any high profile games on Metacritic, (or controversial/broken games) it is full 0s and 10s with no place in between. Even the level headed people who give 10s and 0s might say in their review they only gave that score to "balance the reviews" and give their real score in the text.
Let's not talk about those astroturfers tho
Taking away that User criteria, the consoles rip away the competition, despite the Wii U having a year lead.
I'm not in it for the console warzz ( I have every console and portable out besides 'the One' and Ouya) but they could market this sooooo much better if they actually focused on content rather than list warzzz.
I mean, you don't think a fucking 3rd grader can point out that XBO/PS4 has more than 8 high ranked new-gen games besides the Wii U? It's only going to hurt them in the long-run and cause it to not be as effective to their educated audience.
ITT : SmokyDave doesn't disappoint
Beelzebufo
Banned
Rayman Legends was there, right?
Mass_Pincup
Banned
No Rayman Legends has an 8.3 user score so it doesn't qualify.
not_so_special
Banned
Not only that,sony just can say we show you more games and new ips on the last ps experience keynote than nintendo in 4 years of a console existence
That's still pretty arbitrary, because if you exclude the user scores, lots of other games on non-Nintendo platfofrms rise above the 8.5 threshold, and given user scores are a pretty poor way to gauge the actual quality of the game (you don't have to even own it for instance) I can't think of a reason Nintendo did this except to stack the deck (again, that's fine, they're going to promote themselves, but people are going to mock them if they do it in a way like this).
And it's still excluding games that have passing grade on say, PC, like for instance, the Binding of Isaac or Divinity.
Again, putting this many arbitrary qualifiers on your boast dilutes it.
protomouse
Member
Just don't let Ubisoft, Activision or EA behind the wheel.
Ugh, why do you have to show your ignorance like that, you are only fueling flames of this thread founded on list wars fuel.
You just have to say you don't like a console and be done with it.
Nintendo has had a plethora of new IPs and games that have been AMAZING for the past four years.
And I say that as a person who's favorite console this/last gen isn't/wasn't a Wii U/Wii.
To Far Away Times
Member
You can't deny those libraries though. The Wii U and 3DS have fantastic libraries.
This suggests they aren't focusing on content. They create more games than most anyone else every year. They have several high rated releases every single year. They have the most polished games every single year. They are trying to boast about it to generate more sales. It's marketing 101 really. They aren't trying to create list wars - we're the ones doing that. They are just making a positive pitch.
Even then, using just the 85 metacritic score, there are 58 games with a 85+ between xbox one and ps4... plus vita, and that's counting multiplatform games.... meaning many of those games counted are just duplicates (dragon age twice, Far cry 4 twice, etc). In fact, I believe over 20 games on that list are duplicate games.
21 games with 85+ for Wii U and 20 games for the 3DS. Nintendo's major counter is that they have 41 games with a 85+ with 30 of them being exclusive.
List wars are silly, but Nintendo is just trying to create more positive buzz for their software. If anything, this isn't about wars, it's about pointing out their software. It's all silly in the end, but if it works, it works.
pinkurocket
Member
Well it got this:
That makes it one of the greatest games ever. Bayonetta on 360 didn't have that.
Nor did it have this:
The people in this thread defending 'their' console versus Nintendo's advertisement are silly. Come on now. Obviously Nintendo is doing a bit of bragging, nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn't take it that seriously. They just want people to notice them, and they have every right.
Yeah that's the sad part for me, the message about Nintendo's legit great libraries this year and last get diluted by a bunch of pointless posturing.
olimpia84
Member
Why should you care what drives the industry? Buy the games you want to play and to have fun...
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
It's interesting that they include Metacritic user score as a criteria. I wonder if this means that Nintendo games get, on average, less vote brigaded than other console games; it's not atypical to see a major PS/XB game get a user rating of 3 when the Metacritic is 8.5+, not because of anything with the game but just because of a particular protest.
I can kind of understand using metacritic scores as a point of comparison, for better or worse a lot of people use that as an indicator of quality. Although I don't place all that much importance on it, it does offer an overall idea as to what critics have liked, it's not much different to pointing out that game x has won y number of GOTY awards like most publishers do.
But using user scores as well is a bit of a joke, especially as they seem to be used for trolling, personal dislikes or grievances and list warzzzz.
But using user scores as well is a bit of a joke, especially as they seem to be used for trolling, personal dislikes or grievances and list warzzzz.
Hero of Legend
Member
As I was looking for the competing 8 games, I saw that Modern Warfare 3 PS3 actually has a contrast like that far favoring the critic score. But that could be due to this un(?)written rule that critics have to praise a COD console game like mad or something. Since everything I've heard has been pretty negative towards the game by fans.
More power to them, but you have to admit that this is "fastest selling console" and "playstation family" levels of PR spin here, and they deserve to get the same amount of shit for it
Haunted
Member
Lack of third party games working to the WiiU's advantage here, because they're forgoing the user backlash against shitty business practices from Activison, EA and Ubi that are sometimes reflected in their user scores.
They've been destroying the third party relations with every notable Western publisher to gain on the Metacritic userscores! Iwata that sly fox!
Haunted
Member
Well the impressive thing about it is that they only count games with a critical AND user score above 85.
It's still true, and a damning indictment on the state of many third party publishers that it is true.
It is like there are 0 chances for Ninty to add more than 18 games in the future. And 3DS is still going to get more support next year.
MastorofPuppetz
Banned
It's factually false. Third party games are thing.
MastorofPuppetz
Banned
I do any many are third party.
MastorofPuppetz
Banned
No it's more an indictment of Nintendo.
Perfect.
Not for Nintendo, they're not.
And haven't been since the N64, really.
True. Saying Nintendo needs 3rd party is pathetic.
They can dominate every sales chart without that.
What are you trying to argue? Nintendo included third-party games in their criteria. Most of the AAA third party games just weren't very good this year.