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I think it's kind of beautiful.
NoA: "there are more great games on Nintendo platforms than anywhere else!"
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I don't want this post to get lost on the bottom of the last page.
I think it's kind of beautiful.
TheDarkTriforce
Banned
Which quality games do yo mean? Drive Club? AC: Unity? Destiny? The Crew? Killzone: Shadow Fall?
Edit: In my opinion the games I have mentioned have nothing to do with the word quality
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I can't blame them, but they're so wrong. PC has games that are just as good, and more than 2-4 of them per year come out.
That edit.
Would you say old men are purposefully tanking the scores of rival consoles?
Or are you saying the user ratings on the PS4/XB1 games are honest?
SerTapTap
Member
Not that the reviewer score is perfect either. Their metric is all kinds of flawed. No one of "retail only", "Meta critic user score" or "meta critic review score" is a reasonable stick, though review score is probably the "best" but still lame.
Driveclub (yeah, it's actually good, sorry to tell ya), Binding of Isaac, Velocity 2X, Pix The Cat, TLOU: R, GTA 5, Dust, Fez, Dragon Age Inquisition, don't even try list warz man. And dont' come back with "remakes" when Ocarina of friggin Time is on the Nintendo list. Not saying one is "objectively" better than the other but pretending PS4 doesn't have good games is complete and utter bullshit.
'my system is better...!'
Those old men from the Teens React threads on GAF need something to do in between videos and taking their medicine, so, it's possible.
If you want to know what I'm saying read the original post you replied to. I won't entertain straw men. Good try though.
EventHorizon
Member
What it means is that most people don't agree with Nintendo's statement. Your argument might have some merit if the Wii U was the most expensive console. It's the cheapest of the new gen yet people would still rather pay more money to get a PS4 or XB1.
The reality is that for a subset of the gaming population the Nintendo system is the best. Unfortunately for them, that subset is relatively small compared to the rest of the gaming community.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Forgot to mention that you need to transfer to a rural Japanese town first. Whoops.
Maybe because *shocker* people don't actually purchase consoles based solely on game quality. There's a lot wrong with the Wii U console itself that scares people off even if they think the game lineup is the best out of all 3 current consoles.
Doesn't make a difference. PC still provides the absolute best gaming experience you can have, and yet...
TheDarkTriforce
Banned
Pix the Cat
Sorry, we are talking about non indie games And yes there is a difference between a remake that is from a 1 year old game or a remake of a 16 year old game And I did not say that the PS4 has no good games, you were the one who said that the Ps4 has more quality games than the Nintendo Wii U and in my opinion this is just not true!Edit: And GTA V and Dragon Age is not exclusive to PS4
Let's be real, user reviews on just about every game are from children or people not giving proper critical analysis. Look at things like Fez and DmC getting 0's because of outside elements that have nothing to do with the game at hand, such as the developer telling some troll to suck his dick. Metacritic user review section is utterly worthless on more than just Nintendo games.
perfectchaos007
Member
This topic sure has brought out the fanboys. The graphic in the OP isn't going to affect sales in any meaningful way. Nintendo knows where they sit market-share wise this generation, which opens the door for them to take more shots at the competition with their marketing. SEGA did it back in the 90's, Burger King, Pepsi, and all of the non-leading brands in their respective industry have done it and continue to do it. There's no need to be upset on the metric Nintendo used for this ad. And telling a lie in advertising is illegal, whereas puffery is legal. Nintendo obviously chose a metric to fit their agenda, and thats okay in advertising because you have the right to put your product in the best light possible as long as nothing you are saying is untrue.
PreyingShark
Member
Well fuck me
shouamabane
Member
Sometimes I wonder how in touch NOA is, but pumping up legitimate good games is a pretty tame offense.
Yeah, looking back I'm not sure which post was worse.
Yeah, looking back I'm not sure which post was worse.
EventHorizon
Member
That is quite a stretch. You are trying to say with a straight face that the Wii U has the best games, and is cheaper yet because of some unspecified fatal flaw people don't want to buy it. Ok then, let's have your theory as to why that is happening. Don't hide behind vague general claims of "a lot wrong".
Oh and don't forget that the XB1 had a whole lot wrong with its launch too.
A PC is not a console. Your argument is like saying since a motorcycle gets the best acceleration, no one who cares about performance should buy a sports car.
No straw men here.
The original post I responded to...
I assume you were just sayin' that the WiiU has a younger audience than the XB1/PS4 because they seem to have an easier time with user ratings.
Your explanation was that the older we get the more discerning we are, thus there would be more lower user scores.
I don't see any other way of taking that than you believing that the user scores for the XB1/PS4 are the honest result of an older more critical and discerning base.
Yet that doesn't seem to align with the popular opinion that the user scores are misleading because they have been purposefully lowered by fanboys who have never played the game.
Could you point out the straw man or if I've misunderstood what you are trying to say?
Console wars in a nutshell.
It's what happens when you have a year over the others. And are arguably the best first party publisher/developer. It'll even out or flip around once a few more years go as there's only so much Nintendo can do by themselves.
This is also what happens when you have decades on every other platform in existence.
protomouse
Member
It's not even that ridiculous. There's no reason to include digital titles, because the context of the ad is gift giving. The only point of contention is their inclusion of user ratings, but even with that removed their original claim would still hold. One might then argue that using Metacritic for advertising purposes in itself is stupid (to which I agree), but that's no different than putting review scores on game boxes. Obviously they have an agenda here - it's their marketing after all.
Sales and critical response are two different, often wildly unrelated things. Something sells because it's popular and/or appeals to the mass market, not necessarily because it is critically acclaimed.
Great post.
the name
the marketing around launch
the post-launch drought
the gamepad
their account system
Nintendo's image
the specs
no AAA 3rd party games (even if they don't meet the criteria in the OP)
no blu-ray support
their online services
their utilization of the Virtual Console (or lack thereof)
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Vita? Who?
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
When you can find stuff like the following quotes (this isn't the worst thing I've seen there, just an example):
And that's without even going into the hyperbolic "best thing ever" user reviews. The user review section is a complete cesspool. That's why, despite understanding why Nintendo did it, I'm laughing at it's inclusion.
Delusibeta
Banned
So, Guilty Gear Xrd is better than the entire Xbone lineup, according to Nintendo's logic?
EventHorizon
Member
Ok so you admit that most people don't agree with Nintendo's statement. That's all I'm saying. I have no doubt that for some people the Nintendo system is the best. They are just in the minority. If you want to go down that path then I could poll people who like sports games, and they'd say that the Wii U does nothing for them.
fluffydelusions
Member
this thread man
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Any source on this?
In general, a younger audience is less critical. That's what I said because that's what I meant. Period.
I have no metric for the age of each individual voter (obviously?). But in general, the audience for Ninty is younger (obviously?).
I'm not considering anything else because it's all assumption that leads to endless debate.
The straw man in your case was everything that deviated from this. (Like "assuming" I'm "just sayin'" things or things "aligning with the popular opinion that".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
no, nintendo's logic isn't a better than argument. it's a more than argument. the ps4 having guilty gear xrd makes the ps4's lineup better than the xbox one lineup, which has nothing that achieved the parameters they set like the ps4 did with games such as guilty gear xrd.
So then what was your reason for saying that "If you have a younger audience you are going to have a higher user score. Just sayin'." in regards to this thread?
Chinpoko_Master
Member
My nipples get so fucking hard when I see that my platform of choice has a greater amount of highly rated games on Metacritic than other platforms.
not_so_special
Banned
Pix the Cat
Edit: And GTA V and Dragon Age is not exclusive to PS4
can you play gta V and da on your wiiu?
Bayonetta? Rayman Legends? VLR?
And HD ports? Really Nintendo?
The actually fact they had to list both Bayonetta 1 and 2 and New SMB on both systems plus the HD ports of SMW and Zelda and games that are actually on other systems!?
It says all you need to know.
They said current generation consoles, which would be Wii U, PS4, XBO, 3DS, and Vita. PS4 and XBO are not backwards compatible. Bayonetta 1 has Wii U specific features and you get it for free with Bayonetta 2.
NSMB isn't on the list... Did you mean SSB? There's probably little reason to own both, but they're both great.
SM3DW is not a port of SMW or SM3DL.
Wind Waker is a port. It's much better than the original version.
By the same criteria they used the other consoles have:
Last of Us Remastered (PS4) - port
Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- (PS4) - also on PS3
Persona 4 Golden (Vita) - port
Rayman Origins (Vita) - multiplatform
Littlebigplanet (Vita)
Machinarium (Vita) - also on PS3
Rayman Legends (Vita) -multiplatform
Tearaway (Vita)
So if you want to narrow that list down from 8 to 2...
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Something that is often glossed over in order to prop up arguments based on pure numbers is that consumers are not simply pure quality seeking machines. One of the most important factors is the tug of war between quality and value. Or perceived quality and perceived value.
Right here on GAF, even among the hardcore who can be expected to go out and buy game consoles for a few titles, a common remark is: Nintendo sure has great games, but I won't buy a console just for those. Generally, there is a lot of perceived value in the game console with the most 3rd party support. The impression is that it will make up for any lack in quality with sheer quantity over a long period of time. Making it the better investment.
In fact, mainstream consumers aren't as stupid in certain ways as many people like to think. They do consider factors like "support". "Will this platform still be supported in a year? Will it get the most support? Will I be able to get whatever I want on it?"
And even then, since quality is multifaceted and subjective, it boils down to popularity by itself not meaning much besides... something got popular. Tastes are subject to whim and change. By the reductionist popularity argument, what is good today will be bad tomorrow if fashion dictates blue is the new red.
Not really. Nintendo's exclusives outnumber the competitions in quality (as dictated by critics and user scores) and quantity. I'm not arguing anything about third-party support. People are of course entitled to prefer systems favouring third-party support.
(I own multiple systems and a gaming PC).
Someone already fielded this but I wanted to "lol" at the feigned ignorance anyway.
Why would it matter if it's a console or not? Your argument is that quality = sales. Gaming consoles would be dead if that were true. There's no way around this.
uncredited male
Member
I think the age breakdown for the big 3 would surprise some people.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Probably WiiU fans most of all. Or at least those who have convinced themselves that Nintendo's demographics skew older.
Does anyone actually use that service? It seems to have just kinda come out and died, like most Sony endeavors of late.
Exactly what I said. Younger audience = less critical. How is this unclear to you?
The Wii U was considered an afterthought by some last year, and there are people that think the system doesn't have anything to play. Why shouldn't Nintendo use its software lineup to challenge that notion and get new console fence sitters to take a look?
This seems like an odd thing to be upset about. I hope the Wii U sells well this holiday season, its good for the business.
This seems like an odd thing to be upset about. I hope the Wii U sells well this holiday season, its good for the business.
EventHorizon
Member
Well one of those is the killer for Nintendo and that is:
- no AAA 3rd party games (even if they don't meet the criteria in the OP)
3rd Party Games > 1st Party games
Also a lot of those items directly affect the quality of the games on the system. How can you admit that the Wii U has the following problems and still say it has the best games? This is pretty much admitting that Wii U games are inferior simply because the console doesn't support better games.
- the post-launch drought
- the gamepad
- the specs
- no AAA 3rd party games (even if they don't meet the criteria in the OP)
- their online services