cause that is completely unfounded.
NoA: "there are more great games on Nintendo platforms than anywhere else!"
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cause that is completely unfounded.
fluffydelusions
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TheDarkTriforce
Banned
Let me see if I can explain it to you.
I agree that in general the older you get the more critical you are. However, in regards to the discussion this thread is about, I'd say that the lower user scores are the result of young fanboys.
Would you agree or disagree?
Right... people get less critical with age and experience.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Dude, if it's not on WiiU or 3DS, it's automatically garbage and you're to be degraded for even suggesting otherwise. How the fuck do you not know that?
See?
March of the Crabs
Member
Man... people are looking way too much into this. It's just a simple ad, of course they're going to set a specific criteria to make themselves look better. It's no different than the tiny fine print in every commercial ever. Stop overthinking.
TheDarkTriforce
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toddhunter
Member
Bravely Default is on there.
The entire concept is hence invalid.
The entire concept is hence invalid.
You are saying that the reason that there are more Nintendo games with higher user metascores is because they are younger and less critical. This is assuming that the people who leave user reviews on Metacritic are on average are younger for Nintendo games. I say that is completely unfounded.
The funny thing is VLR on Vita has 17 more critics and thus score 84 which is below the 85 mark Nintendo sets here even though the Vita version is superior to the 3DS one. This arbitrary criteria also meant Nintendo ignores Donkey Kong Tropica; Freeze etc. which is unfortunate.
Metacritic is still a western barometer so it's not surprise NoA wanna use it for marketing here.
Metacritic is still a western barometer so it's not surprise NoA wanna use it for marketing here.
fluffydelusions
Member
I'll be eager to read it, Griss! It certainly deserves one.
Seriously.
That being said, there *are* a lot of great games on both systems. Enjoy them and the ones you like on other platforms. Simple as that.
"Nintendo is lying because I don't want to buy a WiiU"
POWERSPHERE
Member
Silky pls
TheDarkTriforce
Banned
I can say similar things about the PlayStation 4 or XBox One, but I won't because it's childish to act like that
I can't agree or disagree on something if I don't know it. I don't know that the raving fanboys that skew score are young... I don't see anything to empirically support that.
But looking at Smash (admittedly the only one I looked up just now) it has no 0's.
I think that the general knowledge that Ninty games are targeted to younger audiences, that it would impact any user score, and should at least be considered when looking at the data.
That's not what I'm saying... what I'm saying is... exactly what I said.
fluffydelusions
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prag16
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These type of shitposts are just as bad as the "lol PS4bone is entirely brown/gray dudebro garbage, Nintendo is great" posts. -_-
I don't know what you mean. But go on attacking me if it makes you feel better about... whatever it is that's bothering you I guess.
I dunno. My kids aren't fanboys, their friends aren't... but I work with a few.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
They've gone and done it... they've gone and woke the sleeping dragon now.
Nintendo should have left well enough alone and now they're going to get it. It's not enough that they're bleeding benjamins from practically every crevice of their existence. Now they go and throw immense moneyhats at a niche ad like Metacritic-User-Boner-Bonanza just to piss off the market. Why pay to put an ad in the eyes of as many gamers as possible? Why not put that money into third-party games instead?
I know, I know... this is the way the business goes as they say. Well, they forced Sony and Microsoft's hands with their Wii sales lead and Sony/Microsoft only responded with an NPD whooping (source: gaming Jesus) by way of incredible deals and value. Sony and Microsoft will undoubtedly follow this announcement up with some real Metacritic strokefests of their own.
TLoU:R Metacritic score. A true Dragon's Age score dissection. User review scores from the hands of gamers. The next Bayonetta, Dead Space and Crysis as will surely rank high. Those are the kinds of blockbuster response ads I expect, and then some. You hit Sony and Microsoft with a jab, you best be ready for a flurry of Metacritic ads coming at you in response.
Nintendo should have left well enough alone and now they're going to get it. It's not enough that they're bleeding benjamins from practically every crevice of their existence. Now they go and throw immense moneyhats at a niche ad like Metacritic-User-Boner-Bonanza just to piss off the market. Why pay to put an ad in the eyes of as many gamers as possible? Why not put that money into third-party games instead?
I know, I know... this is the way the business goes as they say. Well, they forced Sony and Microsoft's hands with their Wii sales lead and Sony/Microsoft only responded with an NPD whooping (source: gaming Jesus) by way of incredible deals and value. Sony and Microsoft will undoubtedly follow this announcement up with some real Metacritic strokefests of their own.
TLoU:R Metacritic score. A true Dragon's Age score dissection. User review scores from the hands of gamers. The next Bayonetta, Dead Space and Crysis as will surely rank high. Those are the kinds of blockbuster response ads I expect, and then some. You hit Sony and Microsoft with a jab, you best be ready for a flurry of Metacritic ads coming at you in response.
Oh, thank God, finally. We can close the thread now, we're done here.
SteveWinwood
Member
every nintendo system of their respective generation have had the most quality games of the whole thing
always
thats the rule
just because theyre the best doesnt mean the masses want them
always
thats the rule
just because theyre the best doesnt mean the masses want them
Aaron Strife
Banned
Reading this thread is like whenever Reggie makes a comment about the Wii U being a good deal or wanting more third party support and everyone jumps on him like he's really going to say his company makes shitty products.
Like good lord people
Like good lord people
Please, no. As much as I hate Metacritic, it's still a better way to judge quality than sales.
I don't know what you mean. But go on attacking me if it makes you feel better about... whatever it is that's bothering you I guess.
I dunno. My kids aren't fanboys, their friends aren't... but I work with a few.
I'm not attacking.
I saw your post and found it odd that it seemed to go against the majority idea that metacritic user scores were pointless due to young fanboys lowering them. And every attempt I've tried to get you to explain what point you were trying to make with that original post you've tried to dismiss as a "straw man" or "attack."
You're saying Nintendo user scores are high because of young kids. And most everyone else is saying that XB1/PS4 scores are low because of young kids.
Your thoughts?
TheDarkTriforce
Banned
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Edit: You and your The Last of Us, I can't hear this anymore
Sony releases one good game which is in my opinion overrated, and then Sony is King? Trust me this is not how it works my friend, The Last of Us will be forgotten in 25 years while Nintendo is still releasing successfully Super Mario or Zelda games -.-
Edit: You and your The Last of Us, I can't hear this anymore
it's a joke.
EDIT: are you joking?
SteveWinwood
Member
bro you're not going to last long here if these are your contributions
Aeriscloud
Banned
Console war is no laughing matter.
TheDarkTriforce
Banned
people have died in the name of our one true savior. this is a goddamn holy war
There was nothing more to say, I just were speechless of these posts I read
Literally it's a running joke. :^)
EventHorizon
Member
The funny thing is that most of the things people say Nintendo screwed up with the Wii U directly affect the quality of their games. For example, how can you say that Nintendo has poor online capabilities and then still say Nintendo has the best games. If you like playing online then Nintendo obviously isn't the console for you. That same logic goes for most of the things Nintendo got wrong.
This defense of Nintendo is like saying that a football team is the best even though they are in last place because their coach sucks. The fact that Nintendo screwed up their console is part of the console. You can't separate that out and claim "Well if you ignore all that Nintendo is the best".
Because you are comparing apples to oranges. The quality=sales argument only holds if you are comparing products in the same category. Like in the analogy I gave, the acceleration of motorcycles doesn't reflect on the performance of sports cars since they are two different types of products.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Just speaking from what I've seen on a fair number of occasions. It's an odd combination of confirmation bias and denial that seems to drive a lot of Nintendo fans. If you can't have a particular game because it's not on your console of choice, that game is garbage anyway.
To be fair, it's not just Nintendo fans. It seems to affect any gamer in general who has an allegiance toward a particular console--as the Street Fighter and Tomb Raider threads here on GAF have shown. It's just that, since so many big third party games don't come to Nintendo consoles, the fans of those consoles tend to throw that nonsense out there more often than the others.
And I get it. Believe me. I know what it's like to root for a perpetual loser with an occasional good showing. I've been a Detroit Lions fan my whole life. It's just that sometimes you have to realize that just because you can't have something (for ridiculous reasons like "I dont wanna betray my favorite console by supporting another console") doesn't make that thing worthless.
TheDarkTriforce
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EventHorizon
Member
Yea because people don't know what they like until someone tells them what they like /s
I see nothing factually wrong with this statement. ;-)
This is such an odd post. You can only compare products in the same category yet you started the post by saying that if you didn't like aspects of the console you couldn't say it had the best games?
So weird.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
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Edit: You and your The Last of Us, I can't hear this anymore
Me and my Last of Us? I think I've mentioned the game maybe twice in the last six months (today and the other day when the digital version of the PS4 game was on sale and someone had made a thread about it. I bought it because I didn't have the remaster yet). So I'm not sure what you're getting at.
As far as the rest of your post, I'm not going to attempt to attack your character by casting doubt on whether or not you've even played TLoU, because it really doesn't matter. You have your opinion and I have mine. You think the game is overrated and will be forgotten in 25 years, while Mario and Zelda will still be starring in games (which I agree with the second part). I think Mario and Zelda are boring as fuck, and the fact that Nintendo will still be releasing games starring the same old, unchanging, uninteresting, paper thin characters that far into the future is half the problem.
I'd much rather have Sony (or Microsoft--or Nintendo, if they'd actually do it) and their first party studios release games of the caliber of TLoU (and a couple sequels), and then turn around and wow me with other, completely different games that star completely different characters who have completely different stories to tell. It keeps gaming fresh for me.
Obviously we don't see eye to eye on this, and that's fine. If we all agreed on this shit, there'd be no GAF, and the world would be a worse place for it.
Well, Nintendo isn't lying XD! I got a 3DS just for Smash Bros, so it is smart they are doing this; getting more people to know that there is some quality software on Nintendo platforms .
I get why DKC:TF and OR/AS aren't on the list (as the games are not 85 or high on Metacritic....odd, considering they are great games :l), but it would have been nice for those to get a shout out to.
.I get why DKC:TF and OR/AS aren't on the list (as the games are not 85 or high on Metacritic....odd, considering they are great games :l), but it would have been nice for those to get a shout out to
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Nealand Liquor
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If they simply said the wiiu compared to the ps4 & xb1 I'd agree, but there have been too many great games not on Nintendo consoles the past three gens for me to agree.