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[Proelite]

Xbox "consoles" will be Xbox designed APUs for both handhelds and consoles that can run Xbox BC due to silicon support. The OS itself, which is already mostly Windows, can run Windows games with the right packages / extensions loaded, or runs Xbox title VM in an enlightened hypervisor. I'm not sure which approach it is yet, but the main point is that Xbox One, and series games need to run natively without a translation/emulation layer for legal reasons.

These APUs, along from be used in 1st party HW, will be sold to OEMs, without a profit, for them to use in place of the discontinued AMD gaming APU roadmap. No profit for Xbox is important to avoid potential vertical anti-trust issues.

OEMs will add their own custom software, and also increase clocks, unlock disabled compute units, use more / faster memory, more and faster SSD, better cooling, and in the case of mobile devices, bigger battery, better displays (OLED). This so they can sell at a higher premium.

It was interesting to read some of the OEM takes and abandoning HW takes.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Also, he approacheth

So is Xbox domed or safed?

 

[rofif]

anyone cares? this is just a pc with extra steps.
Makes no sense. if someone wants a console, they want a console. Not a big windows steam deck without steamos
After xbox 360, microsoft forgot what a console is and who it is aimed towards. Let's hopw sony doesn't follow in their stupid steps like they always do, the idiots.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Bonfires Down]

So you can install Windows proper on it, right? Or SteamOS for that matter?

And I assume there won't be any access to Windows or Steam on the current Series consoles?

 

[TrebleShot]

You know this? Or making educated guesses?

 

[Proelite]

anyone cares? this is just a pc with extra steps.
Makes no sense. if someone wants a console, they want a console. Not a big windows steam deck without steamos
After xbox 360, microsoft forgot what a console is and who it is aimed towards. Let's hopw sony doesn't follow in their stupid steps like they always do, the idiots.

If someone wants a Windows pc handheld or gaming laptop with APU this is the only option post Z2/Z3?.

Also you'll see pre built PCs too with the high end APUs.

Console only players might or might not care about Steam, but I don't think they're out to compete for console players from Sony or Nintendo.

 

[Ashamam]

Explain to me why sold at cost? Do you mean MS buys and on-sells? Because presumably there is no way AMD sells at cost.

Also the discontinued comment is interesting because it would mean all AMD gaming laptops going forward would essentially be Xbox's. Begs the question whether you would see discrete GPU's from NVidia and you could have the best of both worlds, back compat on the APU and highest mobile performance on the discrete.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

If it has the ease of use of a console with access to Steam and my Xbox library, is below $800, I'm in.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[semiconscious]

holds up chip: 'this is an xbox'...

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[Loomy]

anyone cares? this is just a pc with extra steps.
Makes no sense. if someone wants a console, they want a console. Not a big windows steam deck without steamos
After xbox 360, microsoft forgot what a console is and who it is aimed towards. Let's hopw sony doesn't follow in their stupid steps like they always do, the idiots.

The people making, selling, and developing for the hardware care deeply.

By the time it gets to consumers, no. No one should care. 99.9% of PS5 owners have no idea what it runs on.

 

[Proelite]

You know this? Or making educated guesses?

 

[Loomy]

Best time to share this video was when you made the post. Next best time is now. Add it to the post.

 

[Gambit2483]

Xbox as a "physical" console is dead.

Xbox as a digital "brand" is what will replace it.

That's all you need to take from this.

 

[Proelite]

holds up chip: 'this is an xbox'...

The only part of the Xbox console motherboard that were not off the shelf was the chip.

 

[TrebleShot]

Ok so bit of a weird situation then with Sony and PS6. They will be developing machine learnings stuff that will probably go into this Xbox APU design somehow.

V interesting and a much better future for Ms and Xbox gaming.

So Xbox literally becomes possible any way and how you want.


Makes Sonys approach seem a bit antiquated.

 

[HRK69]

anyone cares? this is just a pc with extra steps.
Makes no sense. if someone wants a console, they want a console. Not a big windows steam deck without steamos
After xbox 360, microsoft forgot what a console is and who it is aimed towards. Let's hopw sony doesn't follow in their stupid steps like they always do, the idiots.

"Anyone cares?" Yes, clearly. considering the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, and Legion Go are flying off shelves

People do care about flexible, console like gaming in different form factors. Calling it "just a PC with extra steps" ignores that the Steam Deck is literally that, and it's a hit

The difference is, when Valve does it, it's innovation. When Xbox does it, suddenly it's a problem? This isn't about logic, it's just PlayStation fans panicking that Xbox is actually doing something different

 

[Imtjnotu]

Ok so bit of a weird situation then with Sony and PS6. They will be developing machine learnings stuff that will probably go into this Xbox APU design somehow.

V interesting and a much better future for Ms and Xbox gaming.

So Xbox literally becomes possible any way and how you want.


Makes Sonys approach seem a bit antiquated.

Confusion around 30 different Xbox devices or one single Sony/Nintendo console.

Remember us hard-core gamers make up a small percentage of the market. Casuals rule all

 

[adamsapple]

anyone cares?

Yes, next.

 

[OverHeat]

they should put a second socket on a motherboard for this.

 

[Loomy]

Ok so bit of a weird situation then with Sony and PS6. They will be developing machine learnings stuff that will probably go into this Xbox APU design somehow.

V interesting and a much better future for Ms and Xbox gaming.

So Xbox literally becomes possible any way and how you want.


Makes Sonys approach seem a bit antiquated.

I'm sure the agreement spells out what is shared and what is meant to remain proprietary. Sony is also going to be developing things on their own.

The biggest difference here is that Microsoft and Windows are Valve's biggest competitor in the handheld/portable space. Microsoft needs to win there and sharing a hardware roadmap is going to help improve Windows for gaming a lot faster.

What this does though, is continue to make Sony's handheld plans even riskier. Microsoft and Valve are like divorced parents. The kids spend time at both houses(Windows & Steam).

Sony is going to be the cool uncle you go to every once in a while, but all your stuffs' at mom and dad's house.

 

[Proelite]

Xbox as a "physical" console is dead.

Xbox as a digital "brand" is what will replace it.

That's all you need to take from this.

I'm only interested in hw and specs.

 

[Mr Moose]

Now that Lisa Su's video dropped today, I can share what I know about next gen "Xbox" since last June.

Pretending you signed a NDA with AMD or something? Is this the new thing you guys are spreading from your Xbox Era Discord?

 

[Throttle]

How strong will it be? The initial "desktop" version.

 

[skneogaf]

It will be interesting to see god of war, the last of us part 1 and part 2, ghost of tsushima, spider man etc on the thing running the pc code of the games, especially if the apu can play the now many games better than the playstation versions.

Obviously only if steam and epic store will be on the console versions.

Lots of copium etc and great drama to be had!

Seems a great idea as it's very different than anything done before.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'll be getting a handheld, a PC, and getting basically every single thing I asked for. All my games. All the stores.
#SaintPhil

 

[GoldenEye98]

The main advantage of consoles is that the massive scale of a single spec piece of hardware brings optimization and cost advantages.

With this many device/hybrid pc approach you are losing those main benefits?...

Basically these are going to be APU based PCs that include Xbox BC....cool but I don't see a large market for that. People will probably just buy PC's?...that are upgradeable?

 

[Kacho]

Damn, Mommy Su saving my Xbox games confirmed

 

[bender]

 

[Proelite]

The main advantage of consoles is that the massive scale of a single spec piece of hardware brings optimization and cost advantages.

With this many device/hybrid pc approach you are losing those main benefits?...

Basically these are going to be APU based PCs that include Xbox BC....cool but I don't see a large market for that. People will probably just buy PC's?...that are upgradeable?

This is the non-exhaustive list for next gen "Xbox":

1st party handheld
1st party gaming surface
1st party console
OEM handheld
OEM laptop
OEM gaming PC

All the above using one of two APUs. Mobile and console/desktop.

 

[GermanZepp]

Windows

 

[Killer8]

Ok so bit of a weird situation then with Sony and PS6. They will be developing machine learnings stuff that will probably go into this Xbox APU design somehow.

V interesting and a much better future for Ms and Xbox gaming.

So Xbox literally becomes possible any way and how you want.


Makes Sonys approach seem a bit antiquated.

This has already happened. Sony helped AMD create FSR4 which will no doubt be used in the APU.

 

[GoldenEye98]

This is the non-exhaustive list for next gen "Xbox":

1st party handheld
1st party gaming surface
1st party console
OEM handheld
OEM laptop
OEM gaming PC

All the above using one of two APUs. Mobile and console/desktop.

So there's only going to be two APU's?

 

[rofif]

"Anyone cares?" Yes, clearly. considering the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, and Legion Go are flying off shelves

People do care about flexible, console like gaming in different form factors. Calling it "just a PC with extra steps" ignores that the Steam Deck is literally that, and it's a hit

The difference is, when Valve does it, it's innovation. When Xbox does it, suddenly it's a problem? This isn't about logic, it's just PlayStation fans panicking that Xbox is actually doing something different

These devices are not flying off the shelves. Steam deck only sold like 3 mil and others sold much worse. I don't see the appeal of low spec pcs.
Console might not be high end but by its nature, it allows for higher efficiency compared to its price.

I don't believe there is mass market for anything else than consoles and pcs. Especially not of this new hybrid is called Xbox. All m$ did in last 10 years is ruin physical gaming, exclusives pushing the market forward and gp created beggar market of fake gamers.

Real console and real pc. That's all I want

 

[rofif]

Yes, next.

Is Xbox. If you were not a green rat, you wouldn't care.
I don't understand how they earned your trust. They only damage gaming. Look my post above

 

[REDRZA MWS]

anyone cares? this is just a pc with extra steps.
Makes no sense. if someone wants a console, they want a console. Not a big windows steam deck without steamos
After xbox 360, microsoft forgot what a console is and who it is aimed towards. Let's hopw sony doesn't follow in their stupid steps like they always do, the idiots.

Who said they aren't making a console too? Look, it's been common knowledge they aren't just doing OEN for other hardware partners, and not just for their own handled, if they do in fact make one. Stove read numerous times there will be a "next gen" home Xbox console. So what's your point?

 

[Proelite]

So there's only going to be two APU's?

Max two of a single generation. Mobile and non-mobile.

 

[rofif]

Who said they aren't making a console too? Look, it's been common knowledge they aren't just doing OEN for other hardware partners, and not just for their own handled, if they do in fact make one. Stove read numerous times there will be a "next gen" home Xbox console. So what's your point?

They are doing a normal console too? How do you know.
The only way too save Xbox is 360 2 with strong exclusives

 

[HRK69]

These devices are not flying off the shelves. Steam deck only sold like 3 mil and others sold much worse. I don't see the appeal of low spec pcs.
Console might not be high end but by its nature, it allows for higher efficiency compared to its price.

I don't believe there is mass market for anything else than consoles and pcs. Especially not of this new hybrid is called Xbox. All m$ did in last 10 years is ruin physical gaming, exclusives pushing the market forward and gp created beggar market of fake gamers.

Real console and real pc. That's all I want

I mean, Steam Deck selling 3+ million without retail presence is actually pretty solid, especially for a first-gen niche device. And yeah, not everyone's into low-spec handhelds, but clearly there is a market , it's just not the massive one consoles have, and that's fine

The "real console vs fake hybrid" thing kinda misses the point though. What Xbox is doing is offering more ways to play, not replacing the console outright. And let's be honest, Sony's already following some of that same path (remote play handheld, PC ports, digital-first focus)

Nobody's saying you have to like it, but acting like anything that's not a plastic box under the TV is "ruining gaming" just sounds a bit stuck in the past

 

[Magic Carpet]

Still need news on getting older xboxs onto the new devices. Maybe bring back that old concept of Disk to Digital trade in thing.

 

[adamsapple]

Is Xbox. If you were not a green rat, you wouldn't care.
I don't understand how they earned your trust. They only damage gaming. Look my post above

The one where you said you want "real console and real PC" ?

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Is Xbox. If you were not a green rat, you wouldn't care.
I don't understand how they earned your trust. They only damage gaming. Look my post above

Then why are you in the thread? If you have no interest in Xbox, why are you ina thread about Xbox.

 

[rofif]

I mean, Steam Deck selling 3+ million without retail presence is actually pretty solid, especially for a first-gen niche device. And yeah, not everyone's into low-spec handhelds, but clearly there is a market , it's just not the massive one consoles have, and that's fine

The "real console vs fake hybrid" thing kinda misses the point though. What Xbox is doing is offering more ways to play, not replacing the console outright. And let's be honest, Sony's already following some of that same path (remote play handheld, PC ports, digital-first focus)

Nobody's saying you have to like it, but acting like anything that's not a plastic box under the TV is "ruining gaming" just sounds a bit stuck in the past

Don't get me wrong. Steam deck is amazing. I had one. But it's still low spec. Portal had the right idea to play full quality games but execution sucked.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Is this Ms trying to kneecap SteamOS? Every handheld PC after the z2 will be an Xbox?

Save us Gabe.

 

[ByWatterson]

So it's a Steambox

 

[Kacho]

So it's a Steambox

Pretty much. With less compatibility issues.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Xbox "consoles" will be Xbox designed APUs for both handhelds and consoles that can run Xbox BC due to silicon support. The OS itself, which is already mostly Windows, can run Windows games with the right packages / extensions loaded, or runs Xbox title VM in an enlightened hypervisor. I'm not sure which approach it is yet, but the main point is that Xbox One, and series games need to run natively without a translation/emulation layer for legal reasons.

These APUs will be sold to OEMs, without a profit, for them to use in place of the discontinued AMD gaming APU roadmap. Not profit is important to avoid potential vertical anti-trust issues.

OEMs will add their own custom software, and also increase clocks, unlock disabled compute units, use more / faster memory, more and faster SSD, better cooling, and in the case of mobile devices, bigger battery, better displays (OLED). This so they can sell at a higher premium.

It was interesting to read some of the OEM takes and abandoning HW takes.

I don't even know what Xbox even is anymore. A console? Platform? A pc? Handheld? A service?

 

[Proelite]

You know this? Or making educated guesses?

I'm not educated. Disregard the recent Sarah Bond and Lisa Su videos those are genAI created.