Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Gabe need to knock on the door and ask to develop regular plain ole everyday APU's that DON'T include xbox specific hardware for even cheaper than no profit from Microsoft.
Now that Lisa Su's video dropped today, I can share what I know about next gen "Xbox" since last June.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Why do you have interest in Xbox? What are you guys seeing in it. Why.
I loved the 360. I loved Xbox. That's why I am here.
If they lost and will not do a real console anymore, that's not Xbox. That's saving the name of the brand.
If bmw goes flat and starts selling shoes with great success and no longer cars… can you really say that bmw is thriving?
Xbox is a classic console brand. But m$ lost the plot and ruined it and big chunk of the market. That's the fact
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Guardian Monkey
Member
So what's the generation, the chip generation? Or like every 5-6 years generation?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
A clusterfuck that seemingly stops and changes direction completely every few months. Only consistent thing is layoffs and Jez Corden lamenting the death of Windows phones.
Guardian Monkey
Member
It's a concept of a setop box that plays console and pc games. That's kind of interesting no?
ByWatterson
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rm082e
Member
This doesn't sound like it will have any of the hardware benefits of PC - namely being able to swap out GPU and CPU/mobo/RAM to brute force performance. If it's just an APU that runs Windows, that sounds just like a console but with a different underlying OS.
Also, these APUs are developed for lower power devices. I'm struggling to imagine an APU that could run modern games at 4k and 60fps...
Also, these APUs are developed for lower power devices. I'm struggling to imagine an APU that could run modern games at 4k and 60fps...
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
steam deck is a pc with less steps. It's great. Just low power
ByWatterson
Member
No I'm saying it's not a hit. Total niche device.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It kinda is? But it's also kinda giving up on console and being retarded pc.
Could work but won't. Because it's Microsoft
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
When should I expect to see the first non mobile hardware with this new plan? Gaming PC as we currently know it might be on the way to extinction.
I expect to see a big APU with a big heat spreader with lots of screw holes to attach big water coolers.
I expect to see a big APU with a big heat spreader with lots of screw holes to attach big water coolers.
Mister Wolf
Member
This new machine will let you play your old catalog of Xbox games and new PC games. Who wouldn't want that if they've already invested into the ecosystem.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
That's true.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Well when Valve did it was innovation because nothing like that existed before it. As usual, Ms is a day late and a dollar short. They have been talking about making Windows more handheld friendly for 3 years and have nothing to show for it. Xbox PC launcher is STILL hot garbage. They never even dropped their controller with haptics that they have also been talking about for years. The worst part of PC gaming is dealing with Windows and I look forward to the day that a real viable alternative comes along.
Gambit2483
Member
Yeah they definitely need a plan to have people with physical games not get shafted. Then again, they have to have a system where it's a "one-time" register per disc, otherwise any/everyone will be swapping/trading discs for free games
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You have that now. Console and a pc. And everything Xbox is on pc anyway
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Consider physical ditched. They won't do anything. Maybe Sony will still hopefully sell a drive
twilo99
Member
Zero chance it's below $800
Kacho
Member
Possibly at Geoff's TGA show in December or the Xbox showcase next June. But my guess would be next June for the Xbox 25th anniversary.
Will MS continue to support the Series X and S?
Can we rely on you Watterson? Still no MCC for PS5, remember!
LordOcidax
Member
HRK69
Member
Oh sorry, I forgot, 3+ million units with zero marketing and retail presence isn't a hit unless it has a PlayStation logo on it.
And bold GIF, three words, must be serious analysis. Let me know when you're ready to actually discuss something
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twilo99
Member
That would imply that there is something else rather than windows… what is it?
Nydius
Member
I look forward to the race to the bottom as all these OEMs try to maximize profit at the margins for the bare minimum of work, just like they already do with Windows PCs.
I'm sure having a bunch of disparate devices all wearing Xbox APU badges that have will have wildly different experiences and performance based on OEM will end well for the Xbox brand.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
0 marketing? Is steam. It's plastered on everyone's home page. That's marketing. Better than anyone else can do
CLW
Member
The ONLY way that works is if somehow it outperforms a gaming PC for less. That's just not going to happen.
I can play Xbox games NOW on my gaming pc. Once again Phil utterly FAILS to provide ANY reason to buy his product
HRK69
Member
Sure, a banner on a storefront that only reaches people already on Steam ≠ TV ads, retail kiosks, and influencer blitzes
If your "everywhere" is limited to the Steam client, you've just proved my point, it sold millions without mainstream marketing
Ashamam
Member
Yeah this caught my attention as well. In terms of relative performance of the day this will sit in the mobile space ruling out desktop class performance. I mean it may be desktop class compared to right now, but not when it releases. Kind of makes sense because mobile power requirements would line up with console expectations. But biggest leap ever becomes pretty questionable when the device will rely heavily on ML upscaling/frame gen to get 4K/60(120 with FG?). Makes it seem more likely to be a PS6 competitor in performance terms than head and shoulders above which I was expecting. But perhaps the APU will be significant step above the PS6 in die arrangement and budget. Interesting times.
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Griffon
Member
Doing all of that insanely expensive bullshit just so they can have hardware bc with two consoles that barely anybody owns.
How about they just port the handful of exclusives that didn't get ported yet. That'll cost a lot less in r&d and in hardware price for consumers.
How about they just port the handful of exclusives that didn't get ported yet. That'll cost a lot less in r&d and in hardware price for consumers.
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Mister Wolf
Member
The Xbox, 360, and Xbox One stuff isn't all on PC. I've waited a long ass time for Lost Odyssey, Halo 5, and Blue Dragon to no avail.
Proelite
Member
Sorry I don't believe it.seems too dumb to be true.
Are you calling Lisa Su dumb?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
But in other threads I see bragging that steam is used by like 130mil accounts. That's a huge marketing base who will see it.
Face it - everyone knows steam deck. Its just niche
LordOcidax
Member
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
No. The difference is that xbox and microsoft pretty much suck at everything they do. So yes, it's a problem.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You can emulate 360 games or play them on series.
This is not a reason
rm082e
Member
Well, if they're planning to launch this thing before the PS6, then Sony can just make a more powerful APU when they launch a year later. It sounded like Microsoft was looking to get their thing out to market next holiday. PS6 was sounding like 2028 (obviously we don't know for sure).
HRK69
Member
Yeah you're right, "innovate" probably wasn't the best word on my part. Valve definitely paved the way with the Deck. I guess what I meant is that Xbox is trying to adapt and evolve in a similar direction, not really innovate. Whether they pull it off is another story, but the intent seems there, even if they're slow as hell about it.
I just hope they finally stick the landing with all this, would be a shame if it ends up another half-baked idea
ByWatterson
Member
Correct three million units in three years is not a hit
HRK69
Member
Three million units in three years with no retail presence, no mainstream ads, and no major brand recognition outside PC circles, for a first-gen Linux-based handheld, is actually impressive
It proved there's a real market for portable PC gaming, and now everyone's chasing it
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
And all that will continue on the next Xbox along with getting the then new released games.
What more reason does one need to own a console?
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Buggy Loop
Member
So for a console size APU it would be a good entry point into PC gaming for cheap
I don't see a problem here
Just the fact that its an all in one APU without profit means you're already way cheaper than buying CPU + motherboard + GPU, etc.
Consoles are just PCs now with a closed garden OS.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
All good if it's not some bs system
Proelite
Member
If it's insanely expensive how do you explain AMD APUs existing for laptop and PC handhelds. They sell at a fraction of series consoles.
This move is to clearly to get better economy of scale by reducing the number of options for AMD APUs in the market.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Consoles are not just pcs. People keep repeating that but it's not true. Maybe if you are a bad dev and don't use anything console allows for. The architecture is completely different
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
She did let Nvidia run away with nearly 10 years of no competition.