Now that Lisa Su's video dropped today, I can share what I know about next gen "Xbox" since last June.

Then why are you in the thread? If you have no interest in Xbox, why are you ina thread about Xbox.
Why do you have interest in Xbox? What are you guys seeing in it. Why.
I loved the 360. I loved Xbox. That's why I am here.

If they lost and will not do a real console anymore, that's not Xbox. That's saving the name of the brand.
If bmw goes flat and starts selling shoes with great success and no longer cars… can you really say that bmw is thriving?

Xbox is a classic console brand. But m$ lost the plot and ruined it and big chunk of the market. That's the fact
 
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Why do you have interest in Xbox? What are you guys seeing in it. Why.
I loved the 360. I loved Xbox. That's why I am here.

If they lost and will not do a real console anymore, that's not Xbox. That's saving the name of the brand.
If bmw goes flat and starts selling shoes with great success and no longer cars… can you really say that bmw is thriving?

Xbox is a classic console brand. But m$ lost the plot and ruined it and big chunk of the market. That's the fact
It's a concept of a setop box that plays console and pc games. That's kind of interesting no?
 
Calling it "just a PC with extra steps" ignores that the Steam Deck is literally that, and it's a hit

Action Bronson No GIF by First We Feast
 
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This doesn't sound like it will have any of the hardware benefits of PC - namely being able to swap out GPU and CPU/mobo/RAM to brute force performance. If it's just an APU that runs Windows, that sounds just like a console but with a different underlying OS.

Also, these APUs are developed for lower power devices. I'm struggling to imagine an APU that could run modern games at 4k and 60fps...
 
When should I expect to see the first non mobile hardware with this new plan? Gaming PC as we currently know it might be on the way to extinction.
I expect to see a big APU with a big heat spreader with lots of screw holes to attach big water coolers.
 
Why do you have interest in Xbox? What are you guys seeing in it. Why.
I loved the 360. I loved Xbox. That's why I am here.

If they lost and will not do a real console anymore, that's not Xbox. That's saving the name of the brand.
If bmw goes flat and starts selling shoes with great success and no longer cars… can you really say that bmw is thriving?

Xbox is a classic console brand. But m$ lost the plot and ruined it and big chunk of the market. That's the fact

This new machine will let you play your old catalog of Xbox games and new PC games. Who wouldn't want that if they've already invested into the ecosystem.
 
"Anyone cares?" Yes, clearly. considering the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, and Legion Go are flying off shelves

People do care about flexible, console like gaming in different form factors. Calling it "just a PC with extra steps" ignores that the Steam Deck is literally that, and it's a hit

The difference is, when Valve does it, it's innovation. When Xbox does it, suddenly it's a problem? This isn't about logic, it's just PlayStation fans panicking that Xbox is actually doing something different

Well when Valve did it was innovation because nothing like that existed before it. As usual, Ms is a day late and a dollar short. They have been talking about making Windows more handheld friendly for 3 years and have nothing to show for it. Xbox PC launcher is STILL hot garbage. They never even dropped their controller with haptics that they have also been talking about for years. The worst part of PC gaming is dealing with Windows and I look forward to the day that a real viable alternative comes along.
 
Still need news on getting older xboxs onto the new devices. Maybe bring back that old concept of Disk to Digital trade in thing.
Yeah they definitely need a plan to have people with physical games not get shafted. Then again, they have to have a system where it's a "one-time" register per disc, otherwise any/everyone will be swapping/trading discs for free games
 
Yeah they definitely need a plan to have people with physical games not get shafted. Then again, they have to have a system where it's a "one-time" register per disc, otherwise any/everyone will be swapping/trading discs for free games
Consider physical ditched. They won't do anything. Maybe Sony will still hopefully sell a drive
 
When should I expect to see the first non mobile hardware with this new plan? Gaming PC as we currently know it might be on the way to extinction.
I expect to see a big APU with a big heat spreader with lots of screw holes to attach big water coolers.
Possibly at Geoff's TGA show in December or the Xbox showcase next June. But my guess would be next June for the Xbox 25th anniversary.
 
This is the non-exhaustive list for next gen "Xbox":

1st party handheld
1st party gaming surface
1st party console
OEM handheld
OEM laptop
OEM gaming PC

All the above using one of two APUs. Mobile and console/desktop.
Will MS continue to support the Series X and S?

No I'm saying it's not a hit. Total niche device.
Can we rely on you Watterson? Still no MCC for PS5, remember!
 
So……. a windows PC with useless middle men?
Basically the Next Xbox console is going to be capable to run natively Xbox consoles games and PC games. And probably the new games are going to use pc codes optimized for the console. I see this as a big win.
 
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These APUs will be sold to OEMs, without a profit, for them to use in place of the discontinued AMD gaming APU roadmap. Not profit is important to avoid potential vertical anti-trust issues.

OEMs will add their own custom software, and also increase clocks, unlock disabled compute units, use more / faster memory, more and faster SSD, better cooling, and in the case of mobile devices, bigger battery, better displays (OLED). This so they can sell at a higher premium.

I look forward to the race to the bottom as all these OEMs try to maximize profit at the margins for the bare minimum of work, just like they already do with Windows PCs. 🙄

I'm sure having a bunch of disparate devices all wearing Xbox APU badges that have will have wildly different experiences and performance based on OEM will end well for the Xbox brand.
 
Oh sorry, I forgot, 3+ million units with zero marketing and retail presence isn't a hit unless it has a PlayStation logo on it.

And bold GIF, three words, must be serious analysis. Let me know when you're ready to actually discuss something
0 marketing? Is steam. It's plastered on everyone's home page. That's marketing. Better than anyone else can do
 
Basically the Next Xbox console is going to be capable to run natively Xbox consoles games and PC games.
The ONLY way that works is if somehow it outperforms a gaming PC for less. That's just not going to happen.

I can play Xbox games NOW on my gaming pc. Once again Phil utterly FAILS to provide ANY reason to buy his product
 
0 marketing? Is steam. It's plastered on everyone's home page. That's marketing. Better than anyone else can do
Sure, a banner on a storefront that only reaches people already on Steam ≠ TV ads, retail kiosks, and influencer blitzes

If your "everywhere" is limited to the Steam client, you've just proved my point, it sold millions without mainstream marketing
 
This doesn't sound like it will have any of the hardware benefits of PC - namely being able to swap out GPU and CPU/mobo/RAM to brute force performance. If it's just an APU that runs Windows, that sounds just like a console but with a different underlying OS.

Also, these APUs are developed for lower power devices. I'm struggling to imagine an APU that could run modern games at 4k and 60fps...
Yeah this caught my attention as well. In terms of relative performance of the day this will sit in the mobile space ruling out desktop class performance. I mean it may be desktop class compared to right now, but not when it releases. Kind of makes sense because mobile power requirements would line up with console expectations. But biggest leap ever becomes pretty questionable when the device will rely heavily on ML upscaling/frame gen to get 4K/60(120 with FG?). Makes it seem more likely to be a PS6 competitor in performance terms than head and shoulders above which I was expecting. But perhaps the APU will be significant step above the PS6 in die arrangement and budget. Interesting times.
 
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Doing all of that insanely expensive bullshit just so they can have hardware bc with two consoles that barely anybody owns.

How about they just port the handful of exclusives that didn't get ported yet. That'll cost a lot less in r&d and in hardware price for consumers.
 
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Sure, a banner on a storefront that only reaches people already on Steam ≠ TV ads, retail kiosks, and influencer blitzes

If your "everywhere" is limited to the Steam client, you've just proved my point, it sold millions without mainstream marketing
But in other threads I see bragging that steam is used by like 130mil accounts. That's a huge marketing base who will see it.
Face it - everyone knows steam deck. Its just niche
 
The ONLY way that works is if somehow it outperforms a gaming PC for less. That's just not going to happen.

I can play Xbox games NOW on my gaming pc. Once again Phil utterly FAILS to provide ANY reason to buy his product
Is going to outperform PC that cost the same… Thats the whole point of a console.
 
"Anyone cares?" Yes, clearly. considering the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, and Legion Go are flying off shelves

People do care about flexible, console like gaming in different form factors. Calling it "just a PC with extra steps" ignores that the Steam Deck is literally that, and it's a hit

The difference is, when Valve does it, it's innovation. When Xbox does it, suddenly it's a problem? This isn't about logic, it's just PlayStation fans panicking that Xbox is actually doing something different
No. The difference is that xbox and microsoft pretty much suck at everything they do. So yes, it's a problem.
 
Yeah this caught my attention as well. In terms of relative performance of the day this will sit in the mobile space ruling out desktop class performance. I mean it may be desktop class compared to right now, but not when it releases. Kind of makes sense because mobile power requirements would line up with console expectations. But biggest leap ever becomes pretty questionable when the device will rely heavily on ML upscaling/frame gen to get 4K/60(120 with FG?). Makes it seem more likely to be a PS6 competitor in performance terms than head and shoulders above which I was expecting. But perhaps the APU will be significant step above the PS6 in die arrangement and budget. Interesting times.
Well, if they're planning to launch this thing before the PS6, then Sony can just make a more powerful APU when they launch a year later. It sounded like Microsoft was looking to get their thing out to market next holiday. PS6 was sounding like 2028 (obviously we don't know for sure).
 
Well when Valve did it was innovation because nothing like that existed before it. As usual, Ms is a day late and a dollar short. They have been talking about making Windows more handheld friendly for 3 years and have nothing to show for it. Xbox PC launcher is STILL hot garbage. They never even dropped their controller with haptics that they have also been talking about for years. The worst part of PC gaming is dealing with Windows and I look forward to the day that a real viable alternative comes along.
Yeah you're right, "innovate" probably wasn't the best word on my part. Valve definitely paved the way with the Deck. I guess what I meant is that Xbox is trying to adapt and evolve in a similar direction, not really innovate. Whether they pull it off is another story, but the intent seems there, even if they're slow as hell about it.

I just hope they finally stick the landing with all this, would be a shame if it ends up another half-baked idea
 
Correct three million units in three years is not a hit
Three million units in three years with no retail presence, no mainstream ads, and no major brand recognition outside PC circles, for a first-gen Linux-based handheld, is actually impressive

It proved there's a real market for portable PC gaming, and now everyone's chasing it
 
You can emulate 360 games or play them on series.
This is not a reason

And all that will continue on the next Xbox along with getting the then new released games.

What more reason does one need to own a console?
 
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steam deck is a pc with less steps. It's great. Just low power

So for a console size APU it would be a good entry point into PC gaming for cheap

I don't see a problem here

Just the fact that its an all in one APU without profit means you're already way cheaper than buying CPU + motherboard + GPU, etc.

Consoles are just PCs now with a closed garden OS.
 
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Doing all of that insanely expensive bullshit just so they can have hardware bc with two consoles that barely anybody owns.

How about they just port the handful of exclusives that didn't get ported yet. That'll cost a lot less in r&d and in retail price for consumers.

If it's insanely expensive how do you explain AMD APUs existing for laptop and PC handhelds. They sell at a fraction of series consoles.

This move is to clearly to get better economy of scale by reducing the number of options for AMD APUs in the market.
 
So for a console size APU it would be a good entry point into PC gaming for cheap

I don't see a problem here

Just the fact that its an all in one APU without profit means you're already way cheaper than buying CPU + motherboard + GPU, etc.

Consoles are just PCs now with a closed garden OS.
Consoles are not just pcs. People keep repeating that but it's not true. Maybe if you are a bad dev and don't use anything console allows for. The architecture is completely different
 
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