It was 3.91 M before the Holiday rush. 220k from November in NA, a few good weeks in Japan and whatever pittance they managed in Europe plus December should push them around 5M.
They probably haven't been outsold yet, but it will happen very soon
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Now that the PS4 has already outsold the Wii U, where does Nintendo go from here?
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It was 3.91 M before the Holiday rush. 220k from November in NA, a few good weeks in Japan and whatever pittance they managed in Europe plus December should push them around 5M.
They probably haven't been outsold yet, but it will happen very soon
equippedwithtowel
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I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert) but honor and shame are huge parts of it.
nckillthegrimace
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I'm sure the developers at Nintendo are just begging to eject those goons in management who give them relatively unlimited time and resources to finish projects as well as complete job security. What a bunch of fuckers.
I love predictions that can in no way, shape, or form be proven or disproven.
That's what screwed Sega though. They kept releasing hardware and upgrades and quickly abandoned it such that eventually no one trusted them anymore to drop the money on something that would be dead in a year. At least that's how I felt around dreamcast release.
Poe's Law?
Right now, their creations that they pour their heart and soul into are being played by barely anyone. It must be discouraging.
That's a bit of a false equivalency though. Like it or not, the Wii is the most financially successful console ever. SEGA had multiple hardware failures in a row before they folded with the Dreamcast.
PotionBleue
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Mario Kart 8 is and has always been Spring and therefore could also land in May or June
Jaded Alyx
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Of course not.
Napoleonthechimp
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I would honestly have no problem with them focusing on handhelds. They've certainly proven they have a knack for providing superior gaming experiences on inferior (when compared to their competitors) mobile hardware whilst simultaneously not alienating third parties.
Which is - obviously - completely the opposite of their console business.
Which is - obviously - completely the opposite of their console business.
TDLink
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No it's not correct. Yes Wii Fit is next week. That list is only what Nintendo has confirmed through February plus a couple of other things like Lego Hobbit. Mario Kart is certainly in there, for example.
Wii-U's failure is nearly cemented, I don't really see any hope of a turnaround happening. Nintendo will simply have to bite the bullet that is the WIi-U, and come correct the next time around. I can't see another "Nintendo box" being successful though, they'll need some kinda appealing gimmick or innovation.
They need to capture the non-Nintendo fans or the casuals. Hell, ideally they need both.
They need to capture the non-Nintendo fans or the casuals. Hell, ideally they need both.
TheBanditKing
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I'm surprised this worked again for them. They "won" with the PS2 in the same way. Nintendo made a mistake with Wii U from a power perspective, the Wii carved its own niche last gen but the Wii U never gave me the same impression the Wii did. Wii U seemed more like a traditional console (like GameCube) then the Wii and so I think they should have made the specs more in line with what was coming. I really don't know what they can do right now, price drop again and hope the software pushes the console.
RobFox64tm
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Woah there, OP. Calm down, breath, and relax.
First of all, if you like your Wii U, the PS4 outselling it isn't suddenly going to make it less appealing. At least, if you are of a clear mind, it shouldn't.
Of course, I don't honestly think Nintendo can turn the system around at this point, for whatever reasons, but they are kind of stuck supporting it for the next couple of years at least in spite of that. I agree that a shake up in the company is needed, and I truly believe that one is imminent, so I wouldn't stress over the "poor leadership" as much as the OP is. Lessons are being learned, both from those in control, and those in control of those in control here, so change will come naturally in time.
For now, though, Wii U releases may be sparse, but Nintendo still has some good stuff on the way to look forward to. I say enjoy it as best you can, and get a second console or a gaming PC if that isn't enough for you.
First of all, if you like your Wii U, the PS4 outselling it isn't suddenly going to make it less appealing. At least, if you are of a clear mind, it shouldn't.
Of course, I don't honestly think Nintendo can turn the system around at this point, for whatever reasons, but they are kind of stuck supporting it for the next couple of years at least in spite of that. I agree that a shake up in the company is needed, and I truly believe that one is imminent, so I wouldn't stress over the "poor leadership" as much as the OP is. Lessons are being learned, both from those in control, and those in control of those in control here, so change will come naturally in time.
For now, though, Wii U releases may be sparse, but Nintendo still has some good stuff on the way to look forward to. I say enjoy it as best you can, and get a second console or a gaming PC if that isn't enough for you.
ChrisInCali
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I just really cannot understand (no matter how many times Iwata asks me to) what Nintendo has been doing with their time. They had a FULL YEAR to get the Wii U out and get it into consumers homes, hearts & minds before the PS4/One were even available. What has Nintendo been doing since 2010??? Where are the games?
They still only have 2 major releases, one of which is a 2 generation-old enhanced port. Hell, they bundled it with the system... that says a lot about how little they were ready software-wise with this hardware. It's taking Nintendo longer and longer to make games that I have significantly declining enjoyment of and interest in. Twilight Princess took too long and was mediocre, Skyward Sword took too long and was mediocre.
What are they doing?
They still only have 2 major releases, one of which is a 2 generation-old enhanced port. Hell, they bundled it with the system... that says a lot about how little they were ready software-wise with this hardware. It's taking Nintendo longer and longer to make games that I have significantly declining enjoyment of and interest in. Twilight Princess took too long and was mediocre, Skyward Sword took too long and was mediocre.
What are they doing?
maquiladora
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Cocoto Magic Cirus 2 has the feel of 10 games though.
shinobi602
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shakin_haitian
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Last generation totes doesn't count tho, LOL.
Every fucking day, right?
Anyhow, what I said yesterday still applies: make more appealing hardware. Remember that Nintendo is in this to make money and not win some idiotic, fabricated console war. They have a bigger chance at making bank if they create a new piece of hardware that everybody wants.
Anyhow, what I said yesterday still applies: make more appealing hardware. Remember that Nintendo is in this to make money and not win some idiotic, fabricated console war. They have a bigger chance at making bank if they create a new piece of hardware that everybody wants.
Rizsparky
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And then they will be crushed again, going head to head with Sony/MS from a graphical stand point would be a disaster.
That article is all over the place, the dates are wrong and they are mixing shipped numbers with NPD/MC sell-through to guess what Wii U sales are.
It also doesn't include eShop games.
Uhhh no. That is the exact strategy they went for with the Wii U and here we are. There is no appealing to both casuals and the core. It just cannot be done.
Napoleonthechimp
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Why? I thought Nintendo did extremely well with the 3DS.
JetBlackPanda
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I don't think the home console market is there for them anymore. Make a handheld device that can plug into a TV and get it over with.
Otakumegane
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Makes lesser games with better hardware, it's what the market wants.
metalslimer
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Either way the shipped amount as of the end of September was only 3.8 and there was still a lot of stock on the shelves. They have most likely not sold anywhere close to 5 milliion and probably haven't sold 4.5 with how dead it is in Europe
ditching a console isn't a great idea though. sega left the console market in america for about two years and i don't think it did them any wonders (initially the dreamcast was somewhat popular though).
i think nintendo should be planning a toy or service route. either start thinking of ways to sell a product, or seriously look into making a sort of netflix for games on their own (which would work with their own products, obviously). i doubt they'd consider the latter, so the former needs to be built on good ideas supported by software.
it's the software stuff that i believe nintendo can deliver on. they have great problem-solvers. it's the hardware where they got stuck this gen- trying to appeal to two fanbases with half-efforts and effectively reaching none (although the 3ds seems to have picked up the psp's audience).
JordanN
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That's not what I heard 6 years ago.
Souldestroyer
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They start putting their games on PS consoles.
Yes, i'm dreaming.
Yes, i'm dreaming.
SolidSnakex
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Well, part of the Wii U's problem is that Nintendo seems to be almost completely focused on the 3DS.
If the WIi-U was their idea of appealing to casuals and core, then it was a piss poor effort.
Digital games only count for non-Nintendo consoles. That's why we don't need to think about any perceived droughts.
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Actually, yes it is. The Wii is where "we aren't competing directly" came from.
Stumpokapow
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The PS4 probably hasn't outsold the Wii U yet. We have PS4 at 4.2 million and Wii U at 4.6 million as of September (so I'd guess maybe 5.5 or so by end of year). It'll pass it soon, obviously it doesn't change the thrust of the discussion or whatever. But I don't think the pass mark will be until Spring or so.
I'll repost what I posted in a "should Nintendo sell Wii U without a gamepad?" thread a week or so ago:
That's sort of where I see things. I don't think there's an immediate solution.
I'll repost what I posted in a "should Nintendo sell Wii U without a gamepad?" thread a week or so ago:
That's sort of where I see things. I don't think there's an immediate solution.
Uncle Rupee
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Maybe let them move into their new HQ building first
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thepotatoman
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They sold 434k Wii U units in Japan in November and December. So yeah there's no way they outsold Wii U WW quite yet.
But if you just do NA and EU LTD v NA and EU LTD, PS4 has certainly passed the Wii U.
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