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NPD December 2012 Sales Results [Up2: Xbox 360, All Nintendo Hardware, NSMB Wii U]
- Thread starter Nirolak
- Start date
Oh, no Zombi U bundle for the US! Strange. Thanks.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Wii U software is abysmal. I still have software titles to get for it, and I see the games everywhere so they definitely are available. I know it'll grow as the hardware sells but the attach seems really, really low in here.
Psychotext
Member
Looking at the 360, do we think that Microsoft are going to introduce a final slimmer / lower cost / lower power (PSU) model next year to tide it over for the remainder of its life?
I can see it selling for a while at a good price.
I can see it selling for a while at a good price.
AdventureRacing
Member
Not sure really. I can see why that would be a good move but i feel like their focus is going to shift almost entirely to the 720. I wouldn't be surprised to see both the PS3 and 360 receive price cuts in the lead up to the release of their next consoles.
P4 Golden is 3.1 GB, so I was able to fit it on the 4 GB card that came with my AC3 Liberation Vita bundle. Those two games should last me until the 32 GB cards have come down in price. I plan on buying any future Vita games digitally.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I could see it alongside Durango. Maybe even a DD only model.
yankeehater
Member
This is so true. I was really hoping it would sell okay with all the work they put into it.
We also know jd4 is below 100K because ZombiU is the only third party game over 100K LTD, thus putting ZombiU's LTD at 100k < ZombiU < 150k.
Was Just Dance on sale last month? We might be able to narrow the top end more.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well... duh? Kids are, pretty overwhelmingly, the majority of the remaining audience for dedicated handhelds in the West. The fact that Vita is so specifically targeting an older demographic is the main reason why it's bombing so hard, IMO.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think that they would have done it differently if they saw it as a better alternative. They try to come up with something they believe is a good product and value. The price of the PSP was not really a big issue in my opinion, it was the huge competition from the DS that turned out to be the worse thing for Sony.
Reading how the market will react is not always easy, and there are so many different opinions about what is the best thing to do, otherwise many more products would have been a lot more successful.
I agree. I dont think that the price on its own is really a big problem in the way that people cant afford it. Millions of people spend more money on tablets and phones. The problem is indeed the lack of attractive content on the Vita (speaking about the general population).
The rise and fall of the US handheld market:
Code:
Nov 2005 Dec 2005 Holiday 2005
NDS 369K 1007K 1376K
GBA 820K 1200K 2020K
PSP 353K 1120K 1473K
Total 1542K 3327K 4869K
Nov 2006 Dec 2006 Holiday 2006
NDS 918K 1600K 2518K
GBA 641K 850K 1491K
PSP 412K 953K 1365K
Total 1971K 3403K 5374K
Nov 2007 Dec 2007 Holiday 2007
NDS 1530K 2470K 4000K
PSP 567K 1060K 1627K
Total 2097K 3530K 5627K
Nov 2008 Dec 2008 Holiday 2008
NDS 1570K 3040K 4610K
PSP 421K 1020K 1441k
Total 1991K 4060K 6051k
Nov 2009 Dec 2009 Holiday 2009
NDS 1700K 3310K 5010K
PSP 294K 654K 948K
Total 1994K 3964K 5958K
Nov 2010 Dec 2010 Holiday 2010
NDS 1500K 2500K 4000K
PSP 288K 430K 718K
Total 1788K 2930K 4718K
Nov 2011 Dec 2011 Holiday 2011
NDS 350K 630K 980K
3DS 795K 1600K 2395K
PSP ~250K 260K 510K
Total 1395K 2490K 3885K
Nov 2012 Dec 2012 Holiday 2012
NDS 370K 470K 840K
3DS 540K 1250K 1790K
PSV ~220K 225K 445K
Total 1130K 1945K 3075KRush2thestart
Member
I'm honestly surprised Rayman origins 3ds did that well
Father_Brain
Banned
Pretty sure that's Rayman 3D, not Origins.
And Vita had worse holiday performance not only compared to PSP's 2010, but PSP's 2011 as well? It's even worse than I thought.
MikeE21286
Member
DragonSworne
Banned
When will Sony release their numbers?
With PS3 selling less than 700K, it's extremely likely that Sony sold less than 1 million units between PS3 and PSV in Dec. Vita has really jeopradized the playstation brand.
Now for Nintendo, they deserve what they got. I hope they don't consider this good sales because there is no spinning this turd performance. They have failed every step of the way with the Wii U, from day 1 release to now. It really is amazing how incompetent or obviously they are concerning Wii U. Not being able to sell 1 million Wii U units during the holday season is diasasterous.
People need to get fired.
With PS3 selling less than 700K, it's extremely likely that Sony sold less than 1 million units between PS3 and PSV in Dec. Vita has really jeopradized the playstation brand.
Now for Nintendo, they deserve what they got. I hope they don't consider this good sales because there is no spinning this turd performance. They have failed every step of the way with the Wii U, from day 1 release to now. It really is amazing how incompetent or obviously they are concerning Wii U. Not being able to sell 1 million Wii U units during the holday season is diasasterous.
People need to get fired.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
The times are changing. Will just take some people longer than others to accept this.
Any stats on how well the 3 mini tablets did over the holidays? (kindle fire HD, Nexus 7 and iPad mini)
test_account
XP-39C²
Most likely never, but we already have very close ballpark numbers, so we already know aproximately how much they sold.
I dont think the Playstation consoles are affected at all if the Vita sells well or not. The products are different from each iteration, and if the product is interestion, that is what most people look at.
JaseMath
Member
Is NG3 worth buying if I've never played a "next gen" NG title? Will I be completely lost?
That. Is. Nuts.
3 million in 3 days. Shiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Is such a thing even possible?
Father_Brain
Banned
If you were at all right about this, COD and ACIII:L would have done vastly, vastly more for Vita's hardware sales than they did, and Uncharted wouldn't still have a sub-300K LTD. Sony's vision of "console-quality gaming on the go" is simply not one that their target demographic is interested in.
It's not like this is exclusive to Vita. Look at how RE:R sold, or how Mirror of Fate will almost certainly sell in a few months.
Its on my list to buy next.
Just have to get through Assassin's Creed III and ZombieU first.
Hoping for a price drop or a sale on the eShop before I'm ready to buy, but if not, I'll pay full price for it.
Phonomezer
Banned
They release a new version of the same product each year and it's not exclusively for games.
IIRC, Apple has an earnings call for later this month, and the rumor is the iPad Mini sales are pretty shocking.
It's also being blamed for a downturn in not just dedicated gaming handhelds, but the Kindle Fire took a hit as well.
It's not exclusively for games, but games are doing pretty damn well on iOS. It is glaringly obvious that is where the dedicated gaming handheld market is transitioning. As I mentioned earlier, Sony had an opportunity to stem this by marketing Vita as THE Android device to have, instead of PSP 2.0.
What would you say would be a decent attach rate for this month, also taking into consideration NintendoLand was probably in 70% of all the hardware sold this month?
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
JoshuaJSlone
Member
They weren't just sitting around on their thumbs. In the time period through December 2008, they'd produced and shipped about 10 million more Wiis than even GBA and DS had done in the same time since their launches.Alcibiades said:
Proooobably not, but it's damn close. In 2011 PS2 shipped about 3.5 million hardware, DS shipped about 4.6 million, and PS2 had the overall lead by about 3.5m. DS will have gained on it somewhat since, but not enough. That's worldwide, so the answer for specific regions would differ.Subaru said:
Worse in the US than GCN and Wii; I don't know that we've got solid numbers before that. Don't even have decent shipment data that far back.kinggroin said:
I don't know about _frenzy_, but iPhone released in mid-2007. 2007-2009 are the peak handheld years by that data, so if it was a direct effect it took a while.Maximilian E. said:
While very impressive, that figure is for worldwide sales. so your following statement isn't correct.
Joshua said:
Wasn't the Dreamcast a record launch in the US? I got the impression that console launches were smaller in the 90s.
yankeehater
Member
You wont be lost at all. The story is a small part of the game and mostly stand alone anyways. The way you upgrade skills over time mkes it very newcomer friendly, the combat can be difficult at first but if you stick with it you will have it down in no time at all.
bigtroyjon
Member
PS2 shipped 4.7 million in 2011.
Mr. B Natural
Member
So what?
Narpas Sword0
Member
Kind of weird that Sonic, Scribble, and Just Dance sold <100k in Nov+Dec but >50k in Dec. Must have been abysmal in November
klapauzius
Banned
Hm, did you know that the Wii U had a better launch than PS3 and XBox360, despite the fact than many people have less money in their pockets now than 2006. And it is Nintendos most expensive console.
Byakuya769
Member
Two of those are supply issues, one is an issue of demand.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
One was supply, two were demand.
In November each did awful. Outside ZombiU the better 3rd party games did around 20k each.
PS3 was not supply.
You don't need any prior experience with the series. It's not like the story is important and the basic gameplay is easy to pick up.
It is very difficult (although there is a very easy setting you can switch to and back from at any time to get past tough parts), but the combat system is fantastic and it's very satisfying to slowly improve. It's my favourite Wii U game so far (have 5) and I've gotten dozens of hours out of it, so I'd definitely recommend it!
DragonSworne
Banned
It's a Nintendo published title, so it will never get a price drop.
Psychotext
Member
Hasn't NG3 been getting bad (average at best) reviews pretty much across the board?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
NG3 got terrible, abysmal, 50-ish reviews across the board. NG3 Wii U has gotten substantially better but still pretty mediocre reviews (low-middle 70s)
Narpas Sword0
Member
It was in November. In December this was relieved and PS3 did better in December than Wii U.
Many people took exception with my contention that the 3DS sales this year are bad. I think being down 25% YOY for the holiday is really bad. 3DS should be in growth mode. I also think that comparing the 3DS's performance to DS's 2006, as many have done, is a bad comparison. December 2006 was the DS's second holiday, but it was only it's 13th month, and it hadn't had a hardware revision.
3DS has had 20+ months and a hardware revision, like the DS in 2007. Not to mention a massive price cut. If we compare them that way we have the 3DS roughly flat DS2006 to 3DS2011, and then down massively DS2007 to 3DS2012.
Just wanted to clarify my thoughts since I went to bed last night while it was still being discussed.
Edit: Wow, I totally fucked that up! Never mind!
3DS has had 20+ months and a hardware revision, like the DS in 2007. Not to mention a massive price cut. If we compare them that way we have the 3DS roughly flat DS2006 to 3DS2011, and then down massively DS2007 to 3DS2012.
Just wanted to clarify my thoughts since I went to bed last night while it was still being discussed.
Edit: Wow, I totally fucked that up! Never mind!
Yeah I think that's more a mixture of the stigma of the original release combined with technical issues.
It's still built on the foundation of the original release so it isn't quite on the level of the first two, but I think they've turned it into a great action game and I'm pretty impressed how much they accomplished in saving it.
In fairness to WiiU, PS3 also had less supply in the opening month. This helped draw it out a bit. When you factor that in, though, you're right in that they both hit their saturation point of supply exceeding demand at around the same unit point.
I don't think people deserve to be fired because of your completely unreasonable expectations.
Less than a million is "disasterous". Dear God.