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[Sword Of Doom]

Really surprised Infamous isn't on the charts this month. It's one of the first games I plan on buying when I eventually get a PS4.

It's not on the charts cause it's only on Ps4 going up against games on multiple platforms. I'm not surprised

 

[PhatSaqs]

Microsoft really needs a boost with those numbers. I'd recommend unbundling the Kinect, dropping the price a hundred, and moving apps outside the paywall.

lol

 

[MaximumSpider]

I assume this guy is reliable, so here is the answer for those infamous questions

Can't wait to get this when I finally pick up a PS4.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

What is Opus an insider? See I don't know that. But I do know it doesn't make sense to say "almost 2:1" of 115K if the actual number's under 200k. That'd be a bad way to phrase it.

Definitely not an insider!

 

[Kagari]

I don't think it is either, considering the light the Xbox One has been painted in over the last few months.

It is when the 360 wiped the floor with the PS3 for years in the US.

 

[Loudninja]

Microsoft really needs a boost with those numbers. I'd recommend unbundling the Kinect, dropping the price a hundred, and moving apps outside the paywall.

Never going to happen bro.

It is when the 360 wiped the floor with the PS3 for years in the US.

Right, the PS4 lead continues to grow.

 

[Tamanon]

I sense the lowish sales for Kinect Sports Rivals also drove the decision to drop Kinect. If having it packed in with each console still didn't sell a tentpole Kinect game, there's no point.

 

[Cirekiller]

Well.... considering Titanfall was given away for free to almost everyone who bought an Xbox One in March.

No duh.

So if 6 months ago I told you Infamous would be outselling Titanfall (on next gen) you would say duh?

 

[Zalman]

Microsoft really needs a boost with those numbers. I'd recommend unbundling the Kinect, dropping the price a hundred, and moving apps outside the paywall.

Why didn't anyone think of this earlier?!

 

[SargerusBR]

Microsoft really needs a boost with those numbers. I'd recommend unbundling the Kinect, dropping the price a hundred, and moving apps outside the paywall.

Wasn't there a rumor that Netflix would be no longer tied to Live Gold?

 

[Syrus]

115k is abysmal, then again why buy an Xbox One when you could just by Titanfall on 360. It's literally identical.

its not identical and Titanfall on X1 has 25-33% attachment rate

and also doesn't NPD not count bundles?

 

[Aquamarine]

Please provide data that confirms what you are saying. Because I have a quote from the NPD itself. Please show your work otherwise I have no reason to believe you. 95% seems improbable at best. They didn't suddenly cover a new 35% of the market since 2007.

Yes they did.

Here you go:

By the way, in terms of NPD retail marketshare, here is approximately where the major retailers lie:


1) GameStop - 30%

2) Wal-Mart - 25%

3) Target - 15%

4) Best Buy - 12%

5) Amazon - 6%

6) Toys R Us - 1%

7) Kmart / Sears - 1%

8) Others - 10%


So any Best Buy retail insights are quite important as a representative sample of NPD. Amazon is important as well, although not as much.

The reason I ALWAYS say that NPD is 90-95% accurate is because NPD directly tracks point-of-sale information given to them as part of agreements with all of the major retailers:

1) GameStop - 30%
- GameStop / gamestop.com gives NPD their direct POS information for all of their USA-based stores + their website

2) Wal-Mart - 25%
- Wal-Mart / walmart.com + Sam's Club / samsclub.com give NPD their direct POS information for all of their USA-based stores + their websites

3) Target - 15%
- Target / target.com gives NPD their direct POS information for all of their USA-based stores + their website

4) Best Buy - 12%
- Best Buy / bestbuy.com gives NPD their direct POS information for all of their USA-based stores + their website

5) Amazon - 6%
- amazon.com gives NPD their direct POS information for their website

6) Toys R Us - 1%
- Toys R Us / toysrus.com gives NPD their direct POS information for all of their USA-based stores + their website

7) Kmart / Sears - 1%
- Kmart / kmart.com + Sears / sears.com give NPD their direct POS information for all of their USA-based stores + their websites

8) Others - 10%


NPD tracks many other retailers than just the 7 listed ones, but the mere fact that the above seven retailers comprise 90% of the retail market means that, by default, NPD is at least 90% accurate.

The reason I say "90-95%" is because I believe that NPD tracks an extra 5% of the market beyond those 7 retailers, so only 5% of the market is actually estimated.

So whenever websites (like Chartz) claim that NPD is inaccurate or "just an estimate like Chartz," that's based on misinformation. NPD is 90%-95% real data. That's why every major video game company takes NPD data pretty much as fact for the massive sector of the industry it represents (USA physical retail).

 

[PhantomFear]

Well this certainly clarifies the reason for the new SKU. Kudos to MS for continuing to release the number, ugly as it is.

Yeah, it's refreshing to see a straightforward answer from them. They are acknowledging the sales are bad, but also letting us know what they're doing to fix it.

 

[FourMyle]

3DS <115k then? Wow. Both the 3DS and the Wii U are shitting the bed now.

 

[Anth0ny]

OMG those xbone sales. Unreal.

 

[Amir0x]

AND inFamous outsold Titanfall in its second month? This is a straight thrubbing. The media hyped up Titanfall as the literal next coming of jesus, and the results are clear. They were marketing straight up for an 8.0 game whose balance issues and stability issues made tens of thousands of TF gamers leave its ecosystem already. Even if they genuinely felt the way they did about its quality, the articles and defense they ran for Microsoft whenever they analyzed its upcoming impact deserve serious scrutiny.

The systems issues are far deeper than just its price.

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

damn.... that's unbelievable considering the marketing $$ that went into that game.

 

[Kiote]

200K to 115K really isnt that huge of a deal IMO.

Until you factor in two things.

The US is Microsoft's primary market and has been since their first console.

Playstation is outselling Xbox something like 3 or 4 to 1 in Europe.

 

[alr1ght]

I usually don't pay attention to sales-age, but when was the last time a COD game was not on the top 10 chart?

 

[RiggyRob]

From IGN

Yoshi's Island would have been above Infamous? That would've been great! Although why people bought it I don't know...

 

[The Llama]

Wasn't there a rumor that Netflix would be no longer tied to Live Gold?

Not sure if serious...

 

[Sydle]

So where is Xbox One tracking compared to PS3 at a similar point in time? Microsoft pretty much has the same exact situation on their hands, so it would be interesting to see if they follow a similar trend, pulling up over the next few years.

TitanFall needed a SP campaign, more modes, more maps, etc. Hopefully it's in better shape this fall to win some players back.

 

[curb]

Infamous didn't chart, and outsold Titanfall XB1? Holeeeey fuck.

Dat 360 version. It must have sold really well.

 

[d0nnie]

Price drop?

It would have to be a substantial price drop...below the PS4 threshold.

I mean, at $399 with no Kinect and no games...it's no better than at $450 with a bundled game (and XBL sub in some cases) and the Kinect. The March unofficial price cut didn't really boost up the numbers in comparison to the PS4.

I don't know if MSFT investors will allow the Xbox division to sell XBOs at a loss this early into the cycle (assuming that it's less than $399).

 

[Ricerocket]

I assume this guy is reliable, so here is the answer for those infamous questions

Ahh so it's being carried by the 360 in the charts. All that marketing of TF for X1 didn't seem to do much.

 

[Madness]

Infamous not even in top ten? Damn.

 

[eternaLightness]

Microsoft really needs a boost with those numbers. I'd recommend unbundling the Kinect, dropping the price a hundred, and moving apps outside the paywall.

That's a possibility. Maybe around June-ish it'll happen.

 

[Nirolak]

I'm going through Ian Sherr's comments and will update in a bit.

 

[Buzzman]

Just for fun, 115K for One plus 200K for PS4 is lower than the 360/PS3 in the horrible month of april in 2008.

 

[Kodiak]

"Infamous was the best selling next gen game in a month where no one was buying or using their next gen systems"

 

[LiK]

via Jeff Grubb

 

[prag16]

All it would take is for the Wii U to be above the X1, never mind the PS4.

May could very well be worse than April for XB1, especially with the new SKU coming in June. Wii U above xbone in May actually seems almost likely, no?

 

[Opus Angelorum]

It is when the 360 wiped the floor with the PS3 for years in the US.

It did, but then the Xbox 360 didn't have the worst console launch in history (Xbox One).

 

[KillerMan91]

People is getting crazy in this thread. Time to bail out.

Spoiler

Please god, let WiiU be the best selling console in May. I want to see the meltdowns.

PS4 will have MLB The Show and Watch_Dogs bundle. No chance.

 

[Gorillaz]

I assume this guy is reliable, so here is the answer for those infamous questions

 

[Joe_Incognito]

I assume this guy is reliable, so here is the answer for those infamous questions

If it did then Sony should provide some numbers instead of giving them to some random guy on Twitter. (I know he's trusted by some of you.)

Because honestly this seems like damage control to cover for the fact that ISS dropped completely off the map.

I have a feeling that I should post a time stamped pic of my copy of the game along with an image of me kissing my PS4 otherwise I'm going to be met with pitchforks and torches for making this statement.

 

[The Llama]

Yes they did.

Here you go:

He's talking about NPD not counting digital sales (via PSN store and XBL), just FYI.

 

[Bundy]

Can anyone elaborate on this?

Yep! inFAMOUS outsold Titanfall on the XBone.

 

[Syrus]

Outsold total, or just for April?

titanfall on X1 WW is definently way ahead of infamous. Its been charting higher everywhere

 

[Dragonborn]

Everyone who wanted it got it in March. Many just got it on the 360.

This is the game everyone expected would turn the tides for the X1 and push it above the PS4. Go back to any pre-March thread and it's easily seen.

 

[Toki767]

Microsoft really needs a boost with those numbers. I'd recommend unbundling the Kinect, dropping the price a hundred, and moving apps outside the paywall.

What's the next set of plans if that doesn't work?

 

[Daemul]

I'm pretty sure those units count.

Games sales bundled with console hardware are not counted on NPD.

 

[Bog]

legit shook. wow.

Really? That's all it takes to shake you?

 

[Bobb]

I usually don't pay attention to sales-age, but when was the last time a COD game was not on the top 10 chart?

Good point. The series kept the industry healthy...I wonder if another genre is going to take over this generation.

 

[StevieP]

"Infamous was the best selling next gen game in a month where no one was buying or using their next gen systems"

No, more like 8th gen software sales are awful. Hardware sales are pretty awful all around as well it seems.

 

[Jomjom]

Ian sherr posted this on twitter @bill_at_zeboyd But, if you took Next-gen only, @playstation says "inFAMOUS Second Son was the top selling next gen software title in April"

Oh wow that means the Xbone version sold abysmally in April.

 

[hawk2025]

I don't think it is either, considering the light the Xbox One has been painted in over the last few months.

Considering that Lincoln was shot, what happened in that one opera really wasn't a big deal, either.

 

[Delusibeta]

Let's do some on-a-napkin calculations.

"PS4 software combined with Xbox One software sales are up over 40 percent compared to sales of the PS3 and Xbox 360 through their first six months.

I presume we can work out a lower bound for PS4 sales off this.

 

[oatmeal]

damn.... that's unbelievable considering the marketing $$ that went into that game.

I would imagine that giving players the option to play it on PC/360 lowered the amount of people that would have bought the system for the game.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I guess in July MS will be offering X1 for $399 with free game or $349.