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NPD Sales Results for April 2016 [Sony, MS, & Nintendo refuse to comment on hardware]

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sense

Member
i know bundles are the reason but would knack count as a new ip selling better than bloodborne or even driveclub at this point could be higher than bloodborne
 
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sense

Member
Mass Effect said:
Well, it is April. This happens every April. The PS4 is flat, not down, at least, so it's not all terrible.

XBO is down YoY, but there were better trade-in deals last year.



185K < Ryse < 200K
Sunset Overdrive: 110K

What was QB again? 150K? If so, Ryse... oh wait, that tricky wording. It says Microsoft Studios IP. Neither Ryse nor SO are MS IPs, QB is. So technically, yes they're "right."
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technically they could be counting the pc version and if they are really being sneaky they could count the digital preorder on xbone as two copies since it does come with a code for the pc version lol
 
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hesido

Member
AmyS said:
This is what actually concerns me a bit.



I remember people saying that this console generation's hardware is probably front-loaded.

Also, physical retail game sales down almost as much. Would feel pretty bad if this is really a trend, toward digital-only.

Please tell me I'm wrong :/
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I do think the console platform holders' irrational plans are slowing down the sales as people may engage in a wait and see mode. A slim model at reduced price would be enough to shake things up a bit but no, they had to go with the iterative console model.
 
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prwxv3

Member
hesido said:
I do think the console platform holders' irrational plans are slowing down the sales as people may engage in a wait and see mode. A slim model at reduced price would be enough to shake things up a bit but no, they had to go with the iterative console model.
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Once again this is not the case. April is a slow month. The average consumer knows jack shit about the neo rumors.
 
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hesido

Member
prwxv3 said:
Once again this is not the case. April is a slow month. The average consumer knows jack shit about the neo rumors.
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My grudge against the plans are affecting my judgement. (Although the fall is year over year, what moved the consoles 1 year ago, I'm wondering, and I asked this earlier in the thread to no answers..)
 
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AmaterasuOni

Banned
Dash_Riprock said:
Amazing how quickly Division went from Destiny-Killer to "anyone still playing that?"
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You could tell that from the beta. I have no idea why people went and bought it after they played the beta. It was boring. It's just a Watch Doge online created with the Ubisoft mediocre random machine.
 
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Boke1879

Member
Yea going forward you have to wonder what MS will do as far as investing in New IP and even their existing properties. I would assume Halo and Gears will make them lots of money simply because of the business model they've built around that.

But them cancelling that Fable game that was close to completion it's just going to be interesting to see what they do. The TR deal didn't mean much to them after a while.

I mean I love that the Xbox is getting games like QB, Scalebound, ReCore etc. I look forward to picking up and playing all of them, but their audience just doesn't seem to gravitate towards those titles.
 
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prwxv3

Member
I hope that the rumored Knack 2 will be a 40 dollar budget game like ratchet. There is no way it will sell as much as the first game at $60. It could do very well at 40 and if it gets better reviews then the first game.
 
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slavesnyder

Member
prwxv3 said:
I hope that the rumored Knack 2 will be a 40 dollar budget game like ratchet. There is no way it will sell as much as the first game at $60. It could do very well at 40 and if it gets better reviews then the first game.
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Knack 2 will be the big showcase for PS4Neo, just as Knack was for PS4 (and still is).
 
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Mooreberg

is sharpening a shovel and digging a ditch
Not seeing the alarm on PS4 being flat. May is going to be a big month with Uncharted 4 and Overwatch. People who follow the industry less maniacally still know what E3 is, and that price drops can happen there (although recent history would suggest the fall is more likely). The hardware is closer to its initial price point at this stage of the life cycle than even PS2 was (bundling kinda muddies the waters there though). I think they will stick with the current approach until at least October. After that, $299 along with the usual slate of big fall games will do very well for them.

I'm not personally interested in PS4K at the moment, but that might be a way for them to retain ASP since if it is handled correctly, it could be a more attractive option to new PS4 owners going forward than the base model. The only bump in the road I see for PlayStation long term is if PSVR has less time on the market prior to a "PS5" launch than Kinect did prior to Xbox One, does Sony get some false sense of confidence about bundling VR into the next console at a higher launch price? $399.99 and steady slate of games (first party in the spring, third party focus in the fall each year so far) is what worked so well for PS4.

Dash_Riprock said:
But, Destiny is online only and people still play that game.
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Competition on the market. Other publishers were actively terrified by Activision's Destiny + Advanced Warfare combo.
 
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Ellite25

Member
Rachet is amazing and deserves those sales. Happy for Insomniac. DS3 is great as well. Sony killing it in software this month with The Show in there too.
 
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sturgboski

Member
Dash_Riprock said:
But, Destiny is online only and people still play that game.
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I wonder if the Destiny April patch took any of the Divisions April Content Release cake. Hit 30 in the Division and was about to pick it back up with that patch and then was like "wait, Destiny patch hits today, change of plans." I really need to get back to the Division...

Its interesting. It almost feels that even though there was a delay to learn from Destiny's mistakes, they didnt seem to learn a ton. However, a lot of what they did learn, I wish Destiny would learn (like optional matchmaking for everything...).
 
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DriftingSpirit

Member
This talk about MS and their IP is what has me quite interested in E3 this year. This will be the first E3 without ntrknl (sp?) leaks and the new PC initiative. Add on the X1.5 and this makes for a highly intriguing E3 for me. I want to see what direction their software goes in.
 
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CosmicQueso

Member
DriftingSpirit said:
This talk about MS and their IP is what has me quite interested in E3 this year. This will be the first E3 without ntrknl (sp?) leaks and the new PC initiative. Add on the X1.5 and this makes for a highly intriguing E3 for me. I want to see what direction their software goes in.
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There will be games with dudes and guns. My uncle gave me the scoop.
 
Welfare

Welfare

Member
For the "Is hardware doomed" folks that might worry about May, the drops, kinda vary.

May is really dependent on hardware deals and big software releases. The weekly average drops from April to May

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2010

Xbox 360 April: 185K / 4 = 46,250
Xbox 360 May: 195K / 4 = 48,750

Weekly average up 5%

PS3 April: 181K / 4 = 45,250
PS3 May: 155K / 4 = 38,750

Weekly average down 14%

Wii April: 277K / 4 = 69,250
Wii May: 335K / 4 = 83,750

Weekly average up 21%

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Notable Releases in May

[u]Xbox 360[/u]
Skate 3 [3 weeks] [~140,000]

Lost Planet 2 [3 weeks] [~120,000]

Red Dead Redemption [2 weeks] [945,900]

Alan Wake [2 weeks] [145,000]

UFC Undisputed 2010 [1 week] [221,100]

[u]PS3[/u]
Red Dead Redemption [2 weeks] [567,100]

UFC Undisputed 2010 [1 week] [192,300]

[u]Wii[/u]
Wii Sports Resort + Motionplus bundle $199 [3 weeks]

Super Mario Galaxy 2 [1 week] [563,900]

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2011

Xbox 360 April: 297K / 4 = 74,250
Xbox 360 May: 270K / 4 = 67,500

Weekly average down 9%

PS3 April: 204K / 4 = 51,000
PS3 May: 175K / 4 = 43,750

Weekly average down 14%

Wii April: 172K / 4 = 43,000
Wii May: 236K / 4 = 59,000

Weekly average up 37%

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Notable Releases in May

[u]Xbox 360[/u]
L.A. Noire [2 weeks]

[u]PS3[/u]
L.A. Noire [2 weeks]

[u]Wii[/u]
Continued sales of the Wii Sports + Wii Sports Resort + Wii Remote Plus Black model bundle $169 from April

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2012

Xbox 360 April: 236K / 4 = 59,000
Xbox 360 May: 160K / 4 = 40,000

Weekly average down 32%

PS3 April: 172K / 4 = 43,000
PS3 May: 125K / 4 = 31,250

Weekly average down 27%

Wii April: 91K / 4 = 22,750
Wii May: 71K / 4 = 17,750

Weekly average down 22%

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Notable Releases in May

[u]Xbox 360[/u]
Max Payne 3 [2 weeks]

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Future Soldier [1 week]

[u]PS3[/u]
Max Payne 3 [2 weeks]

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Future Soldier [1 week]

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2013

Xbox 360 April: 130K / 4 = 32,500
Xbox 360 May: 114K / 4 = 28,500

Weekly average down 12%

PS3 April: 102K / 4 = 25,500
PS3 May: 85K / 4 = 21,250

Weekly average down 17%

Wii April: 44K / 4 = 11,000
Wii May: 36K / 4 = 9,000

Weekly average down 18%

Wii U April: 36K / 4 = 9,000
Wii U May: 33K / 4 = 8,250

Weekly average down 8%

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Notable Releases in May

Nothing of note for anyone

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2014

Xbox 360 April: 71K / 4 = 17,750
Xbox 360 May: 57K / 4 = 14,250

Weekly average down 20%

Xbox One April: 115K / 4 = 28,750
Xbox One May: 77K / 4 = 19,250

Weekly average down 33%

PS3 April: 35K / 4 = 8,750
PS3 May: 36K / 4 = 9,000

Weekly average up 3%

PS4 April: 199K / 4 = 49,750
PS4 May: 197K / 4 = 49,250

Weekly average down 1%

Wii April: 18K / 4 = 4,500
Wii May: 11K / 4 = 2,750

Weekly average down 39%

Wii U April: 48K / 4 = 12,000
Wii U May: 61K / 4 = 15,250

Weekly average up 27%

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Notable Releases in May

[u]Xbox 360[/u]
Watch Dogs [1 week] [172,000]

[u]Xbox One[/u]
Kinect-less SKU for $399 announced [3 weeks]

Watch Dogs [1 week] [363,000]

[u]PS3[/u]
Minecraft [3 weeks] [89,000]

Watch Dogs [1 week] [138,000]

[u]PS4[/u]
Watch Dogs [1 week] [583,000]

[u]Wii U[/u]
Mario Kart 8 [1 week] [352,000]

Mario Kart 8 bundle $329 [1 week] [~25,000]

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2015

Xbox 360/PS3/Wii = Basically dead (and no numbers were leaked for most of 2015) 

Xbox One April: 187K / 4 = 46,750
Xbox One May: 139K / 4 = 34,750

Weekly average down 26%

PS4 April: 175K / 4 = 43,750
PS4 May: 152K / 4 = 38,000

Weekly average down 13%

Wii U April: 43K / 4 = 10,750
Wii U May: 42K / 4 = 10,500

Weekly average down 1%

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Notable Releases in May

[u]Xbox One[/u]
End of month long trade in deals from April

Witcher 3 [2 weeks] [275,000?]

Halo MCC 500GB White bundle $349 [1 week]

[u]PS4[/u]
Witcher 3 [2 weeks] [420,000]

Best Buy Deal - Trade in Last Gen console and get $175 towards PS4 [1 week]

[u]Wii U[/u]
Splatoon [1 week] [136k]

Best Buy - Splatoon + Nintendo Land 32GB bundle $299

So yeah. All over the place. Now, this year.

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2016

Xbox One April: 168K / 4 = 42,000

PS4 April: 175K / 4 = 43,750

Wii U April: 32K / 4 = 8,075

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Notable Releases in May

[u]Xbox One[/u]
Price raise $50

$50 Giftcards all month long

DOOM [3 weeks]

Overwatch [1 week]

[u]PS4[/u]
Uncharted 4 [3 weeks]

Uncharted 4 500GB limited bundle $399 [3 weeks]

DOOM [3 weeks]

Overwatch [1 week]
 
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Montresor

Member
DriftingSpirit said:
This talk about MS and their IP is what has me quite interested in E3 this year. This will be the first E3 without ntrknl (sp?) leaks and the new PC initiative. Add on the X1.5 and this makes for a highly intriguing E3 for me. I want to see what direction their software goes in.
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This actually has me pretty excited. I really hope that there is no doom/gloom this E3 and that posters here are wrong about MS leaving the console business. I'm hopeful/cautious about this upcoming E3. Hopefully there are a buuuuunch of new announcements that show Microsoft is in it for the long haul.
 
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Memory

Member
prwxv3 said:
I hope that the rumored Knack 2 will be a 40 dollar budget game like ratchet. There is no way it will sell as much as the first game at $60. It could do very well at 40 and if it gets better reviews then the first game.
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If they are working on Knack 2 they are simply taking the piss, terrible game with no clear target audience or reason for existing.

Those resources are better served elsewhere.
 
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Artvanderlay

Member
mejin said:
Sorry but this is not Microsoft's fault. Remedy received a new opportunity from MS after Alan Wake and they blew it again.

What do they need to have a big sucess? I think it's entirely up to them.
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Remedy were obviously told tv was an essential part of the Xbox future and they have paid the price for that initial reveal. The whole system was doomed from launch and QB unfortunately was part of that . Not saying it would have sold amazingly without the tv bullshit but the time spent on it was a joke.
 
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slavesnyder

Member
Memory said:
If they are working on Knack 2 they are simply taking the piss, terrible game with no clear target audience or reason for existing.

Those resources are better served elsewhere.
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Uncharted 1 wasn't a masterpiece either. Second part always is the best.
The Empire strikes Knack
 
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Hockeymac18

Member
James Sawyer Ford said:
Does MS own the Sunset Overdrive IP?

I think that was one of the conditions for signing with MS -- IP ownership.

I'd be curious to know if Sunset Overdrive 2 (if its being made) will be multiplatform and IG got a new publisher.
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I believe Insomniac owns the SO IP, which I think was really important to them (and I believe I remember reading that it was an important part of their decision to go with MS on it). That said, I think there was a clause in their deal that let MS prevent sequels if they wanted (I could be wrong on this - I'm going off of memory and don't have time to look back at that).
 
Y

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
I'm never buying another Ubisoft game unless they put out another linear splinter cell. feels good man
 
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DriftingSpirit

Member
Montresor said:
This actually has me pretty excited. I really hope that there is no doom/gloom this E3 and that posters here are wrong about MS leaving the console business. I'm hopeful/cautious about this upcoming E3. Hopefully there are a buuuuunch of new announcements that show Microsoft is in it for the long haul.
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Yeah, the type of software, the amount of software, the focus on what particular software, etc...

I'm not interested in the X1 but I am quite interested in how MS will be handling the X1 from this point forward.
 
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Hockeymac18

Member
Artvanderlay said:
Remedy were obviously told tv was an essential part of the Xbox future and they have paid the price for that initial reveal. The whole system was doomed from launch and QB unfortunately was part of that . Not saying it would have sold amazingly without the tv bullshit but the time spent on it was a joke.
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1) I think that would make 0 difference to how it sold. I would argue, strongly, that the TV segments' inclusion or exclusion would make a very negligible impact on sales. The MUCH stronger variables affecting QB sales are the XB1's overall performance and its mindshare in the gaming world right now.

2) Perhaps - although I really enjoyed everything about QB, so I'm glad they did what they did. It is unfortunate that it was so expensive, though.

Does anyone have the numbers for Alan Wake's opening for comparison? Also, anyone have any idea how it did digitally? "90% digital!!!" jokes aside, I do wonder if digital made up a larger chunk of sales than normal since the incentive to buy digital was pretty big (at least for me) with the cross-buy with W10.
 
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Memory

Member
slavesnyder said:
Uncharted 1 wasn't a masterpiece either. Second part always is the best.
The Empire strikes Knack
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Ryng_tolu

Banned
Welfare said:
Snip-
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Watch Dogs numbers are a bit off. Here all precise numbers:

PS4 - 583,000
XB1 - 363,000
360 - 172,000
PS3 - 138,000

Also, Mario Kart sold 352,000 unit at retail, but we know thanks Nintendo it sold 415,000 unit including digital.

I know we use retail numbers most of times cause we don't know digital, but when we know, you should say the total numbers, maybe say inc. digital. ;)

Also, Splatoon sold 165,000 including digital.
 
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etta

my hard graphic balls
Montresor said:
This actually has me pretty excited. I really hope that there is no doom/gloom this E3 and that posters here are wrong about MS leaving the console business. I'm hopeful/cautious about this upcoming E3. Hopefully there are a buuuuunch of new announcements that show Microsoft is in it for the long haul.
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You should get used to that.
 
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RatskyWatsky

Hunky Nostradamus
James Sawyer Ford said:
I believe the highest first month for a resistance title was Resistance 2 at 385k.

So right now, nobody knows.
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Ryng_tolu said:
Resistance: Fall of man - 71,000
Resistance 2 - 385,000
Resistance 3 - 180,000
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Thanks!

James Sawyer Ford said:
But given that R&C was developed at their North Carolina studio, it probably had a very small budget relative to their Burbank studio titles.

I think the great thing of all of this is that these sorts of titles can do well at a lower price point and lower budget...they just need to get made. I hope Sony keeps funding them.
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Oh wow, it was developed by their NC studio? It's nice to see them going from smaller, less well received titles to something as expansive and acclaimed as the new Ratchet.

Yeah, hopefully!
 
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Boke1879

Member
Montresor said:
This actually has me pretty excited. I really hope that there is no doom/gloom this E3 and that posters here are wrong about MS leaving the console business. I'm hopeful/cautious about this upcoming E3. Hopefully there are a buuuuunch of new announcements that show Microsoft is in it for the long haul.
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I wouldn't say they are leaving yet, but it's clear their priorities are changing. Their whole windows initiative is proof of this. I do wonder if they'll invest in a large AAA franchise again. Or just double down on their tentpoles. Halo and Gears, KI has to be doing well for them.

We're entering a very interesting and crucial time in the console space. The iterative console rumors have me the most excited because we are at a time where these companies want to lock you into an ecosystem. No one is trying to start from scratch at the start of each new gen anymore. Too many risks and variables there. I mean just look at the 360>XB1. A complete 180 in terms of performance. .
 
Welfare

Welfare

Member
Ryng_tolu said:
Watch Dogs numbers are a bit off. Here all precise numbers:

PS4 - 583,000
XB1 - 363,000
360 - 172,000
PS3 - 138,000

Also, Mario Kart sold 352,000 unit at retail, but we know thanks Nintendo it sold 415,000 unit including digital.

I know we use retail numbers most of times cause we don't know digital, but when we know, you should say the total numbers, maybe say inc. digital. ;)

Also, Splatoon sold 165,000 including digital.
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Thanks for the Watch Dogs numbers!

Digital sales are still a tiny amount compared to the retail number, and NPD is retail only. I'd rather keep the comparisons on a retail only basis.
 
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