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[impact]

They almost have the same metacritic rating at the moment. 74 vs 73.

One is considered a system seller and the other is not.

My conclusion: The arbitrary quality measurement of system selling is not at 74 vs 73 but rather quality does not come into it.

Didn't know the Destiny MC was so low. I do know that Destiny kicks the shit out of Killzone SF in every single way possible aside from visuals, so metacritic once again proves to be a useless website.

Though you can't seriously tell me Killzone SF would have received the same sales and reviews if it weren't a launch title. We were desperate to play something on our shiny new boxes.

 

[NuclearSpy]

Or metacritic is not particularly good at measuring quality. I wouldn't say it's worthless, just not very good.

I tend to look at the metacritic user reviews and read all the negative stuff to get a feel of what a game should score at. Personally, I prefer to get some actual user feedback and maybe watch a few youtube's before purchasing something out of my preferred comfort zone.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Who's my favourite monkey?

You're my favourite monkey.

*blushes*

 

[AdventureRacing]

Or metacritic is not particularly good at measuring quality. I wouldn't say it's worthless, just not very good.

No i'd say worthless is pretty much spot on. It's not a good way to judge the quality of a game and it's also not a good way to try and gauge sales.

 

[benny_a]

Or metacritic is not particularly good at measuring quality. I wouldn't say it's worthless, just not very good.

My feelings on the matter is that Metacritic results and quality can give a sequel a boost or keep it from growing in a franchise.
I don't think it has any predictive quality about sales. It's sort of like Amazon where the approximately placement of items can give you an idea about what you can expect but Game X being #3 vs. Game Y #9 is not indicative of some gulf in sales. All it usually shows is that Game X will outsell Game Y, but not by how much.

For games that sell a lot on day 1. Many console games and mega franchises on PC like Diablo I think the quality of the current game on sale is not very important.
The big budget video games industry is not a meritocracy and any person that tries to predict sales around the concept of quality of games isn't using the right approach.

 

[1st Course]

Has any numbers been shared in regards to Madden?

Last year the following results occurred:

"‘Madden NFL 25′ topped 1 million units in its first week, down 650,000 from last year."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/09/05/madden-nfl-25-down-over-last-year-still-top-1m-units-first-week/

Wonder if there was a similar decline.

Anyone?

 

[SwiftDeath]

Anyone?

Hmm it's in here already?

Slight increase, at least 10% YOY

 

[1st Course]

Hmm it's in here already?

Slight increase, at least 10% YOY

Thx

 

[disap.ed]

and exactly how many bundles do you think there were with ~59.5k Wii Us sold this month?

Around 59.5k I guess

 

[CadetMahoney]

Destiny kicks the shit out of Killzone SF in every single way possible.

Pretty much. The MC is weird in that respects though.

 

[Ty4on]

Individual sales for eggball (thanks to Guymelef for the calculations!):
4: 420k
One: 324k + 41k (bundle)
Total (without bundles) is higher than 1.1m. All numbers are approximates.

Just tell me if I should remove it!

Edit:

I haven't seen it. I'm guessing we're talking 4-7k or something?

I mean, even before the stock issues it was only pulling 15-20k a month. The US just doesn't want the device and I don't think there's anything Sony could do to change that.

Fortunately, it's made no difference to the support of the device. Perhaps because there wasn't much to lose in the first place.

Laaaate reply, but you are much more realistic than me. I wouldn't have estimated that when it did like 15k with stock issues. It's a bit frustrating when sales fluctuate so much and it's impossible to know what demand is. I think 17k is the average for the year which is still awful.

 

[chubigans]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

This is like the third time they've tried to mislead people on npds. Idiots.

 

[gigantor21]

This is like the third time they've tried to mislead people on npds. Idiots.

That shit is why I'm glad the numbers get leaked every month. All hiding them does is help line NPD's pockets and make it easier for the industry to spin bad results.

 

[Aquamarine]

That shit is why I'm glad the numbers get leaked every month. All hiding them does is help line NPD's pockets and make it easier for the industry to spin bad results.

Microsoft used to be so good at accurately reporting each month's results.

Now they're just exploiting that built-up goodwill and distorting their performance in the industry. There have been quite a few people who have been mislead by their "2x sales this month" claim and that's fundamentally toxic to anyone who's remotely interested in sales tracking.

 

[EGM1966]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

That's worse than when it seemed like they were talking about SW. Just out and out attempt to mislead and miss inform. Priceless.

 

[IndoAssassin]

Metacritic doesn't even give equal quality to each rating. Just because a website gets more views, they give more weight to that opinion over an opinion that get less views lol.

Opinions are just that, opinions. Metacritic is useless to me.

 

[djplaeskool]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

 

[Raist]

Yeah, neither 2x HW nor SW made any sense, but holy shit that's some shady attempt at misleading people here.

 

[BadWolf]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

Wow.

I understand that they have to channel at least some positivity but this is taking things pretty far.

 

[Massa]

Didn't know the Destiny MC was so low. I do know that Destiny kicks the shit out of Killzone SF in every single way possible aside from visuals, so metacritic once again proves to be a useless website.

Though you can't seriously tell me Killzone SF would have received the same sales and reviews if it weren't a launch title. We were desperate to play something on our shiny new boxes.

It's not a useless website, it's simply a reviews aggregate. How people choose to interpret and twist that data is up to them, as you show in your second paragraph.

 

[Sayad]

oh, never mind.

 

[AzureEternal]

1. Madden NFL 15 (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3)

Uh-oh.

Dudebros moving to the PS4?

This.

 

[Glorified G]

And here comes another NOVEMBER.

Im not sure whats the point of telling me when was the last time it closed a gap instead of talking about the possibility that it may close the gap. The failure to look at these things objectively is hurting in here. MS lineup of games this holiday is hands down (I dont care if they appeal to you or not) better than what sony has. Its not that hard to look from this point of view.

From a fanboy's point of view, absolutely. From a consumer's point of view, the type that doesn't cherry pick certain titles and ignore the vast majority of the lineup due to console wars on the internet, your posts doesn't make much sense. 3rd parties sells these systems and both share majority of the same games. PS4 has consistently been the leader in 3rd party game sales even with both systems at price parity, and will most likely continue to do so.

If you want to pretend most of the lineups for both consoles doesn't exist and believe only a collection of old games is what matter the most this holiday, fine. But that's not reality.

 

[demosthenes]

Have you played it? If not I would wait because from what I played it was absolutely terrible.

Woah what? I thought it had good word of mouth?

 

[RespectThySole]

Pretty much. The MC is weird in that respects though.

I think it's more the case that reviewers tend to give slightly inflated review scores to launch titles than anything reflective of Destiny's quality.

Perfect Dark Zero on the 360 had a metacritic score of 81 and even though I personally loved the multiplayer, I'm sure most would agree that the overall game was not as good as Metro 2033 which only scored a 77.

Launch titles tend to have that sort of inflation because reviewers are enamored with the new hardware and unintentionally score launch games better as a result due to their hype. Once that honeymoon period with the system dies down they tend to give more accurate review scores.

 

[Quexex]

Calm it down mate, don't make it personal.

Saw some random post these figures, pinch of salt obviously.

These are based on a pie chart earlier in the thread. They seem Ok but one thing puzzles meif the Vita did less than 6k and those numbers are correct there is no way that the ps family sold more than the combined 360 and Xbox one figures. Which directly contradicts sonys statement.

So either

A. Sony lied, which is unlikely as they would have been called out on it.


B.Vita did a lot more than 6k

C. Gaf detectives have miss interpreted the pie chart and PS3 had a strong month.

D. The pie is a lie!

B or C then really given the credibility of pie.

Unfortunately I'm on my phone so I can't easily extrapolate how a Sony win is possible. Or what numbers the Vita needed to cement a victory. Will edit in a mo.


Ok the numbers do add up just seems the pie isn't a lie and the Gaf detectives are on point. Vita sad face.

PS4: 190,000
X1: 159,000
WiiU: 59,500
360: 49,500
PS3: 27,200
WII: 13,600

 

[Ty4on]

These are based on a pie chart earlier in the thread. They seem Ok but one thing puzzles meif the Vita did less than 6k and those numbers are correct there is no way that the ps family sold more than the combined 360 and Xbox one figures. Which directly contradicts sonys statement.

What?

The PS4 sold 30k better than the XB1. The 360 sold 23k better than the PS3.

30 is higher than 23 so Sony's consoles (minus Vita) sold better than Microsoft's period.

 

[Chobel]

These are based on a pie chart earlier in the thread. They seem Ok but one thing puzzles meif the Vita did less than 6k and those numbers are correct there is no way that the ps family sold more than the combined 360 and Xbox one figures. Which directly contradicts sonys statement.

So either

A. Sony lied, which is unlikely as they would have been called out on it.


B.Vita did a lot more than 6k

C. Gaf detectives have miss interpreted the pie chart and PS3 had a strong month.

D. The pie is a lie!

B or C then really given the credibility of pie.

Unfortunately I'm on my phone so I can't easily extrapolate how a Sony win is possible. Or what numbers the Vita needed to cement a victory. Will edit in a mo.


Ok the numbers do add up just seems the pie isn't a lie and the Gaf detectives are on point. Vita sad face.

PS4: 190,000
X1: 159,000
WiiU: 59,500
360: 49,500
PS3: 27,200
WII: 13,600

PS4+PS3 = 217K
XBO+360 = 210K

So even without Vita number, PS4+PS3 > XBO+360

 

[SwiftDeath]

Math how does it work

 

[AniHawk]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

if everything was constant, then this is how it would look:

weeks 1-3: 32k a week
week 4: 64k

96k + 64k = 160k

meaning the xbox one was essentially riding its weekly average it's had since april.

the ps4 has similarly settled into an average of about 48k-52k a week, sometimes skewing a little higher or lower. before mario kart, the wii u was selling about 13k-16k a week. august seems to show what each console is like at 'normal' without any big games (except for microsoft with madden).

 

[ZSaberLink]

Was just going through old NPD numbers since 2000 and it only makes the current numbers look fairly terrible lol... Anyways, I really do hope Destiny and all the titles this holiday season start making a decent in the new hw adoption...

 

[Amir0x]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

fucks sake

 

[Square2015]

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[SwiftDeath]

Thanks Terry, Great work as always

Wii U still following Gamecube's curve quite well just a bit lower

I forget are the games listed supposed to be potential system sellers, first party releases, or just exclusives? As Bayonetta 2 comes out in October if I'm not mistaken

 

[Ty4on]

Anyone know why the GameCube had such a great December in 2003? It got a price drop, but monthly sales in 2003 didn't look very different from those in 2002. Did the 99 dollars put it into the impulse territory 149 couldn't reach?
And was that around the time when the stock issues happened? I was like ten at the time so I don't remember

I know it didn't have legs, but wow at the N64 doing PS4 sales for a while :/

 

[Manmademan]

Anyone know why the GameCube had such a great December in 2003? It got a price drop, but monthly sales in 2003 didn't look very different from those in 2002. Did the 99 dollars put it into the impulse territory 149 couldn't reach?
And was that around the time when the stock issues happened? I was like ten at the time so I don't remember

I know it didn't have legs, but wow at the N64 doing PS4 sales for a while :/

This is probably the reason, combined with mario kart launching right around there. Keep in mind though that the performance there still isn't all that good- the N64 did way better.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

I normally don't care but this level of spin is just fucking stupid. Who are they trying to impress lol?

 

[CosmicQueso]

That shit is why I'm glad the numbers get leaked every month. All hiding them does is help line NPD's pockets and make it easier for the industry to spin bad results.

Line NPD's pockets? Now THAT is funny.

 

[theprodigy]

I wonder if Wii U can hit 1.1 million over the rest of the year, let alone just December.

 

[duessano]

Didn't know the Destiny MC was so low. I do know that Destiny kicks the shit out of Killzone SF in every single way possible aside from visuals, so metacritic once again proves to be a useless website.

Though you can't seriously tell me Killzone SF would have received the same sales and reviews if it weren't a launch title. We were desperate to play something on our shiny new boxes.

Just your opinion, Killzone has a way better story, but that's just my opinion. I do find Metacritic scores to be useless. If it wasn't a lunch title they would have been able to improve the game and it would have sold more like KZ2.

 

[ascii42]

This is probably the reason, combined with mario kart launching right around there. Keep in mind though that the performance there still isn't all that good- the N64 did way better.

That was also when they bundled the system with the Zelda collectors edition disc.

 

[Ty4on]

This is probably the reason, combined with mario kart launching right around there. Keep in mind though that the performance there still isn't all that good- the N64 did way better.

Oh yeah, didn't see Mario Kart at first. Still a really good November compared to the last one.

I was just wondering because that holiday was so much better than the first two

I wonder if Wii U can hit 1.1 million over the rest of the year, let alone just December.

Considering it has done over 400k all Novembers and Decembers I don't think it will have any trouble hitting that.
Shit, somehow I thought it did like 400k last November. I just remember that December being a big surprise and might have mixed it with launch November. Funny how Nintendo PR thought the opposite and didn't say anything last December

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

Gotta keep spinning the results in any way they can. I'm definitely interested in seeing how they're going to react to September numbers.

 

[DieH@rd]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

Gotta keep spinning the results in any way they can. I'm definitely interested in seeing how they're going to react to September numbers.

September is a long month. They still have time to start offering two free games for each new Xbone purchase.

 

[KernelPanic]

I normally don't care but this level of spin is just fucking stupid. Who are they trying to impress lol?

Shareholders?

 

[Birgitte2004]

September is a long month. They still have time to start offering two free games for each new Xbone purchase.

Considering you could get the Forza or Madden bundles, plus a free game, that's pretty much already two free games.

 

[3rdamention]

So apparently the doubling of sales is actually hardware but it's only for the last week in august.

Microsoft has clarified, stating that the doubling of Xbox One sales during August were for “the last week of the month after Madden launched”. Basically, sales for the last week were a little less than twice that of the month prior, not the entire month’s sales.

What is really disappointing and sad is nothing in their original statement even hints to them actually meaning the last week of August......nothing.......


They knew exactly what they were doing......

 

[GobFather]

What is really disappointing and sad is nothing in their original statement even hints to them actually meaning the last week of August......nothing.......


They knew exactly what they were doing......

True, I understand PR talks but this feels a little more misleading than usual.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Terry did you have a Sega Dreamcast comp graph too?

I wonder if Wii U can hit 1.1 million over the rest of the year, let alone just December.

I'm going to guestimaspeculate we're still somewhat in the afterglow of MK8. So we'll see weekly sales rates decline further until Smash which I forget the release date for. Then it depends on both how much of a holiday boost + Smash can do.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

This is like the third time they've tried to mislead people on npds. Idiots.

To save face... how low can you go?... (Wretches and Kings by Linkin Park)