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PS5 is outselling Xbox Series Consoles at a rate of about 4 to 1 the last 15 months
Why would we assume none of their friends already own a Series S or wouldn't at least recommend one to someone knowing they weren't even a typical casual gamer?
And yes it is hundreds of pounds/dollars, that's why purchasing a Series S to play GTA makes sense because it is the most cost effective solution.
As already discussed, GTA 6 is the most anticipated game of this decade. It will attract an audience far beyond even those typical popular mass market games. In addition the latest COD, Fifa and Madden games are all available to play on PS4 and Xbox One. GTA 6 won't be available on those consoles, but it will be on Series S.
Guess you don't remember what happened with Hogwart Legacy when it launched on current gen only ?
PS5 sales was boosted as if it was an exclusive. If Harry Potter fans didn't go for the Series S for Hogwarts Legacy what make you think GTA6 is gonna have people reaching for the lowest hanging fruit instead of the consoles that will play it best?
Series S has been down to as low as $150 in March 2023 for Verizon Wireless subscribers....at this point it doesn't matter how cheap series s is. The casuals have already grabbed one for Little Timmy to play gamepass (delightful value tm) over the last 4 years when given away with a carton of milk etc ..
RetroGamingUK
Member
Channeling Microsoft's Yusef Mehdi I see:
"While the Internet is decidedly up in arms about the way the Xbox One handles game ownership and online check-ins, Mehdi said it was "hard to say" what the larger reaction from the less attentive mainstream consumers would be. "I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."
Microsoft defends the Xbox One’s licensing, used game policies
Xbox marketing chief talks to Ars about the benefits of the move to a “digital world.”…
arstechnica.com
Amazingly enough, "broader set of community" also understand why the S is the cheap unwanted sibling of the series family.
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An interesting point about Hogwarts but even that game isn't in the league of GTA 6. There will be so many more people seeking a console to play this game and some of those people will be attracted by the most cost effective solution.
You are responding to something that I never claimed. I never said they weren't more likely to own a PS5, rather that you were suggesting that no-one owns an Xbox Series console and is happy with it. Where is the logic in suggesting that with almost 30 million Series consoles in the wild, that no-one would recommend purchasing an Xbox? Especially when the Series S offers such an intriguing value proposition.
I think the bigger issue is that some don't like the fact that Microsoft will be the company offering the most cost effective way of playing GTA 6, not Sony. Especially those peddling the narrative that Xbox hardware is already finished and pleading for Microsoft to cease production on Xboxes immediately.
The biggest boost for series S early in gen was that it was fairly available compared to the PS5 and series x. So potentially a fair few "hardcore" bought one just to tide them over until PS5 or series x was more available. Plus MS was pushing gamepass hard.
Don't confuse cheapness with value.
The 360 arcade was cheap. Then you add the wifi, the hard drive etc. Here's an HD-DVD doorstop attachment. Oh you wanted HDMI? better buy an elite. Price on entry was low. Value? prob not so good once you added in all the parts that could/should have been integrated.
Even with series x, increasing value by bumping up storage to 2tb on the $600 "limited edition".
Do you understand that Xbox Series sales have creeped to almost a crawl so production will also slow down as stores order less & less shipments. So if nothing boost Series S sales before the release of GTA 6 how would Xbox even be prepared for a random chance that people would be wanting a Series S all of a sudden?
Switch 2 is going to finish Series S off of it release in the next year .
That's a fair point Brucey but the Series S has a lot more in the box than the 360 arcade did. It will provide a low cost way of playing GTA 6. That won't be for everyone but it will be able to satisfy many.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
"Most cost effective way to play"
Yeah, because that has worked out so well for the Series S and Xbox as a platform.
Yeah, because that has worked out so well for the Series S and Xbox as a platform.
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Xbox does have some games on the horizon and we will see what impact they have on console sales. But aside from that, they should be well prepared for the launch of GTA 6. MS will be well aware of how important this game is and should be hammering home the message that they can offer the most cost effective way of playing it.
We don't know enough about Switch 2 yet. But we do know it won't be able to offer GTA 6.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I don't see it.
Somebody mentioned Hogwarts already. Granted that's a new IP, but Harry potter is a bigger franchise than GTA and would have attracted more casual mass market players. It didn't move Series S numbers.
GTA 6 won't result in serious Series S sales either. By the time that game comes out, most people who would play GTA will already have a PS5/XSX.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
They likely won’t
GTA 6 and Sony's Rumored Marketing Deal Explained
The expectations around Grand Theft Auto 6's success are already very high, and rumors suggest that Sony has secured a lucrative deal with the game.
gamerant.com
Get used to seeing giant GTA6 posters adorned with the PlayStation logo all over cities next year.
If anyone’s talking about GTA6 on Series S next year, it’ll likely be about how badly it runs.
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Not everyone will be so particular about performance, especially when they can save money by purchasing a less expensive option.
RetroGamingUK
Member
We are talking about a game which is going to stimulate the market in unprecedented ways and bring in new players to this medium. The most cost effective option has an increased chance of capturing market share from this new audience.
We don't know. Although if the sports games stop releasing on PS4 / Xbox One next year that that could be another potential boost for the Series S.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Look at the proportion of Hogwarts sales across PS5, Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X
Factor in that GTA V will likely be at least twice as popular as Hogwarts.
Then factor in the rate of decline of Xbox Series consoles (S in particularly) and that will give you some idea won’t it.
As for EA Sports, no way is EA ditching EAFC on PS4 any time soon, this is EA we’re talking about…
Expect EAFC 27 to be the last release on PS4.
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Yes, because GTA 6 isn't released for another year.
They had no incentive to at that point. No GTA = no sale. GTA 6 releases = how can I play this game without breaking the bank?Are your posts for real? Like you seriously think customers will rush for XSS all of a sudden when they didn’t want to buy XSX for $350/€350???
Yes, the Series S will be much less expensive and play GTA and likely any other game they care about.
Hogwarts is not GTA so we can't extrapolate too much from that data. Also note that it's a PEGI 12, the target audience is quite different.Look at the proportion of Hogwarts sales across PS5, Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X
Factor in that GTA V will likely be at least twice as popular as Hogwarts.
Then factor in the rate of decline of Xbox Series consoles (S in particularly) and that will give you some idea won’t it.
As for EA Sports, no way is EA ditching EAFC on PS4 any time soon, this is EA we’re talking about…
Expect EAFC 27 to be the last release on PS4.
True about EA though. I guess we will see.
GTA will be a real disruptor in the console market and all the current certainties are in question. As you showed earlier, Sony are already nervous enough that they made sure to secure that marketing deal.
coachmcguirk91
Member
Neither Xbox Console is charting in amazon gamings top 100 chart. Pro is #1, as it just went on sale, but the base PS5 is #12. I can't recall a time where no Xbox console was in the top 100
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TheKingOfSheep
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I’ve been holding off buying a PS5… until they announced the 30th anniversary limited edition (plus Silent Hill 2 came out; which was one of my favorite PS2 games). I managed to get a pre-order for a Dualsense: but missed the boat on the 30th anniversary slim. I overslept when it went up for pre-order here in the Netherlands.
But then Amazon dangled a lightning deal in front me: a Series X dirt cheap -€371,-. So I bit the bullet. I already own a Series S. Hated the fact it didn’t come with a disk drive. I have a decent back log of xbox games on disk that I want to keep playing. Felt the Series X was too expensive, though. So I am kinda happy. But also sad I don’t get to play certain games I’m really dying to play. Like Silent Hill 2. Really happy Elden Ring is on Xbox, though.
But then Amazon dangled a lightning deal in front me: a Series X dirt cheap -€371,-. So I bit the bullet. I already own a Series S. Hated the fact it didn’t come with a disk drive. I have a decent back log of xbox games on disk that I want to keep playing. Felt the Series X was too expensive, though. So I am kinda happy. But also sad I don’t get to play certain games I’m really dying to play. Like Silent Hill 2. Really happy Elden Ring is on Xbox, though.
mayham2199
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chromatic9
Member
I expect all consoles that have GTA 6 to be sold out. I don't think it will help MS long term.
Digital Foundry about a year ago had a video showing dirt cheap Series S consoles and thought it was a scam, turned out it wasn't. We'll probably see a flood more once people have their cheap GTA fix.
Digital Foundry about a year ago had a video showing dirt cheap Series S consoles and thought it was a scam, turned out it wasn't. We'll probably see a flood more once people have their cheap GTA fix.
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clarky
Gold Member
You are expecting that you won't be able to buy a console when GTA launches?
I'll haver some of what you are smoking.
clarky
Gold Member
Silent Hill 2 will come to Xbox eventually buddy.
Not a bad price on the X and they do have some decent looking titles coming this next year. I think i might have gone with a PS5 if i was you though and kept the S as a game pass machine, Best of both worlds.
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Sooner
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Yeah, how portable your home console is is such a huge selling-factor. It's very important that your console that stays hooked up to your 70" television can be moved around constantly with minimum effort.
That's why the GameCube had a compact-size, miniature discs and a super necessary carrying handle and went on to be the best selling console of all-time.
Sw0pDiller
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coachmcguirk91
Member
Yeah, and still nobody bought it. And we'll see how well GTA 6 holds up on the Series S too. I think the deeper we get into this generation, limitations of the Series S will surface
Also, I'm guessing the all digital PS5 will bundle GTA 6 next year for 350-400$, depending on price cuts. It will probably still cost a minimum of 325$ for a Series S and GTA 6 combined. It's not some crazy disparity between prices
clarky
Gold Member
Each to their own mate, upto him what he does with his cash.
He said he has a back log of disks to play. £300 for a Series X isn't the worst deal in the world. Apart from a few Sony exclusives right now and the odd outlier they play exactly the same games. Almost.
Series X will be around for a few years yet regardless of what happens after that.
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TheKingOfSheep
Member
I don't play much: got two young kids, fulltime job... and a wife. Gaming has to compete with that. Often I chose a movie or a tv show. Not because I don't want to play. But because I can't be bothered to sit through half an hour of animation (and that's if you click through it) before the game starts proper. I grew up in the NES/ SNES days - I considered myself a serious gamer back then. There are exceptions, though. Games that I'll never miss: the Resi's, GTA's and the Zelda's. And I'm glad Capcom hasn't dropped Xbox - I play Nintendo on the site.
I know Playstation is the 'Apple' in videogaming. You don't have to rub it in. Thing is, I'm invested in Xbox -I got a collection of 360 and Xbox One games that I can still play on a Series X. That is of value to me. And as far as big games skipping the console goes: as long as it isn't GTA6 and Resi CV, I'm good.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
The Xbox is currently selling purely on brand name alone.
There are obviously many people who bought Xbox in the past who are looking to buy Xbox again who aren't active on forums or social media. This is why you can see Xbox really only sells in the United States where the 360 had very strong sales and even then it is being sold 2:1 by the PS5.
The Series S is also still helping Microsoft move units, but if the Series S delays GTA6 on Xbox, it'll be a final gut punch.
For every 3 console owners in the US, 1 is buying Xbox. That's significant. It means that these people do not care about Sony exclusives. These people are largely on GamePass, playing CoD, Fortnite, FIFA and it makes no difference to them whether they're on Xbox or not. Games like Ghost of Yotei and Death Stranding 2 aren't going to change that, but GTA 6 probably would.
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clarky
Gold Member
Theres quite a few of my friends who fall into that bracket. They've been on xbox since the 360 days and its still their platform of choice. They don't even know Astrobot exist for example, much less care. Like you say if GTA didn't launch then they'd notice, probably.
Most play COD and/or FiFA and nothing else.
Ronin_7
Member
I'll be shocked if Xbox Series sells 45 million units.VGChartz?
WSJ - PS5 shipped 61.7M and Xbox Series 28.3M WW, as of the end of june 2024, PC Sales Falling
PC Sales Fallingwww.neogaf.com
Heck, even 40M might not be achieved.
Sales have collapsed.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
People want Sony to drop the price of the PS5 to attract these gamers, but what they don't stop to think about is the attach rate for these gamers is super low. Dropping the price of a console you're already losing money on just to get one or two 3rd party games sold in the next year doesn't make a ton of sense.
Let's say Sony loses 20 dollars per PS5 w/disc sold -- random number
If they were to drop the price by 100 dollars, they'd be losing 120 dollars per unit. If someone buys CoD at 70 and FIFA at 70, that's 140 dollars, of which they get 42 dollars if the consumer buys digitally or 18 dollars if they buy physically. This ignores MTX, but it also assumes that the person is buying at full price. Anyways in the best case scenario you're 78 dollars in the hole, just because you wanted to increase unit sales this year instead of waiting and guess what, Sony' still getting that 42 dollars if the person is buying these on PS4...
It makes zero sense to drop the price of the PS5 right now and Sony's aggressive pricing is why they never made much profit relatively in the PS1 and PS2 era (that and the lack of digital sales).
GTA is going to push units at full price. You want to exhaust the number of consumers will to pay full price on the console, especially if they're still actively player your old system and buying games there.
That's why MAUs is an important metric. If your MAUs drop significantly, it means that people aren't playing PS4 and they're not buying PS5 and this would be an indication that they're moving elsewhere. As long as MAUs stay around 120 million units, Sony doesn't need to drop the price of the PS5.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
We're looking at between 35 and 45 million.
So much of that variance is about if Microsoft can keep up their ratios for GTA6, which will require stock in key places. Selling 26K units across Europe for an entire month suggests your console is dead in Europe. They could easily sell less than a million units in Europe for the rest of the XBS life cycle.
At some point you have to remove it from shelves and warehouses and then instead of small numbers like we see here, we see essentially zeroes, like you see in Japan.
Microsoft wants to announce their whole slate of games for PS5, but they're not unaware of the PR disaster that is. They want those GTA6 sales first.
I'm thinking lucky to hit 35 million.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
xbox 28M ? I don't believe no matter source, 24M being generous
It will end this gen with N64 numbers because Microsoft will bring forward the 10th gen soon
It will end this gen with N64 numbers because Microsoft will bring forward the 10th gen soon
Daneel Elijah
Member
It's been 2 or 3 pages that M m14 spent talking about how GTA 6 will help Series S sales. I wanted to talk about it when it first happened but decided against it and now enough posters tried it that his POV is clear for all of us. The thing is that he may be "technically correct". The Series S will be the cheapest way to play GTA 6 when the game will be available. Some people will buy Series S for that purpose. How many and will this boost be significant is where we probably all disagree with him. Instead of having a loosing battle why not go the other way? GTA 6 will be the kind of system seller that have millions of hardcore fans ready to have the best experience possible. As the best way to play it, a hypothetical PS5 Pro and GTA 6 bundle will sell very well, even more than the Series S because of the brand power, global reach and shared history of Playstation and Rockstar.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
VGChartz?
WSJ - PS5 shipped 61.7M and Xbox Series 28.3M WW, as of the end of june 2024, PC Sales Falling
PC Sales Falling
Hey dude how old is this data? It's interesting that how the companies are tracking. Sony looks to be comfortably tracking over half way to the final ps4 number while xbox is behind by a couple of mill.
Xbox sales seem to have fallen off a cliff so they'll probably only reach 40 million sales by the end of the gen. Not a great result at all but still not a bad install base to sell games to.
Their problem is software and the uncertainty about what games go to other platforms. I can't believe we are four years in and they haven't hit us with any next gen only bangers. Embarassing.
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My problem with this is that MS hasn't shown any signs that they will go into high production mode & make a push for people to see Series S as the best option for people needing a cheap current gen console . They had this same chance with Hogwart Legacy & they did nothing & things have actually gotten worse since then.
They didn't even put up an effort to sale Series S on Prime Day & they have new consoles releasing in a few days but people barely even know they exist. So expecting them to suddenly jump up like Grandpa Joe when the golden ticket is found is far fetched.
Daneel Elijah
Member
Why let reality get in the way of a good story? That's how I see it in this case. We do have insiders like
HeisenbergFX4
telling us that Microsoft want to have their next console as close as possible to GTA 6 launch. And it is true that GTA 6 will be a gamechanger for this generation, a killer app, a system seller like we may have not seen since Tetris. Going from there to having Microsoft finding a way to catch some of that magic in the US is not that far-fetched. If you really love the brand that is. I could be the devil advocate and say that Microsoft have unsold inventory that will reappear in time, that they will change their priorities and using less wafers for the cloud and push more Series S, that they have one year to build up in prevision of GTA 6... With imagination it is easy to find solutions, especially when it is something we care about. For me the biggest problem is not MS ability or lack of it. It is not GTA 6 impact on the gaming market. It is the simple fact that by the time GTA will be available we will have probably more than 100 millions consoles able to play it. How many more will buy a new console just for GTA 6 that did not yet is for me limited. We have been able to see in the past that GTA 5 sold more on PS4 than PS3 and 360. People want to upgrade for games like that. Same for TLOU on PS3 and PS4. Same for games like Zelda on the Wii and Gamecube. And with the market being what it is, the PS5 may profit more from GTA than Xbox by default , even before talking about Sony having a marketing deal with Rockstar. But hey, if he want to dream, I say let him. Some people will buy a Series S for GTA, and I think that maybe Microsoft may beat Sony in some US states if they play their cards right. But by next year maybe the PS5 will outsell the Series S/X even more than the 4/1 ratio that we are seeing now.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
That's only because you assume Amazon isn't sitting on the sidelines waiting their turn.
Xbox had their chance. They are overdue to leave the stage for someone else to challenge Sony.