HeWhoWalks
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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]
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Just to put this in perspective, imagine that before Halo 5 launch someone posted here on GAF that the game would perform in the same ballpark as a exclusive souls game.
(i'm not saying that they sold the same amount, this is just a hypotesis)
Well, there's a reason the n3DS doesn't come with a charging cable.
CosmicQueso
Member
Fair enough. Was a dumb question.
What sw would you expect though. None of the games cream said were really evergreen so we dont know how the usual suspects did.
Nvm, you have numbers so I guess those titles did poorly lol
Chobel
Member
I'll give you Halo 5; even though it did underperform for a Halo game, it still did nice numbers. RoTTR though? Its numbers are very low for a big AAA game.
Jarod McChicken
Member
Halo 5 performed...well....well, bun not so good for one Halo game. Game had massive drop in sales compared to other Halos.
And ROTR...just NO! That game is not performing well WW on Xbox platforms, even on biggest Xbox's market - US/UK.
CosmicQueso
Member
Interesting.
So the VITA market we all know is overwhelmingly digital. Would be really interesting to see the 3DS trend and see how quickly digital adoption is happening there (unfortunately we can't).
We spend all our time talking about console DD rates, maybe handheld isn't quite as bad as the majority of people seem to think it is? Hmmm.
Bloodbonre sold 406k in Europe as of June
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1113089
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1113089
If I had to guess, I think 3DS is on the opposite side of the spectrum regarding digital adoption, but we're on esoteric territory of course
Primethius
Banned
Alright, the Bloodborne data. Here's all the NPD info. we know of:
And we know that it's less then Splatoon LTD, which puts it at <850k. As of June 2015, Bloodborne sold about 406k in the EU. Since then, I believe the only data we've gotten is that it's crossed 100k (digital plus physical) in Germany by November. In Japan, it sold 209k by the end of November.
Two months of US, roughly 3-4 months of EU and the entire year of Japan gives us 1093k retail copies. The 2 million mark was announced at TGS in September, 2015.
I don't really think I need say much more to show why the 2 million number was quite likely.
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Bloodborne
[Month] [Rank] [Sales] [LTD] [Drop]
[03/2015] #2 389,000 / 389,000
[04/2015] 89,000 / 478,000 77%And we know that it's less then Splatoon LTD, which puts it at <850k. As of June 2015, Bloodborne sold about 406k in the EU. Since then, I believe the only data we've gotten is that it's crossed 100k (digital plus physical) in Germany by November. In Japan, it sold 209k by the end of November.
Two months of US, roughly 3-4 months of EU and the entire year of Japan gives us 1093k retail copies. The 2 million mark was announced at TGS in September, 2015.
I don't really think I need say much more to show why the 2 million number was quite likely.
And don't forget a renewed interest when Old Hunters released, and was sold together in a package with the main game. Very likely got a boost in November in all regions.
The two million was announced in September, Old Hunters wouldn't have had an impact.
flaviusconstantius
Member
Is it sad that seems higher than I expected?
Liabe Brave
Member
The market's been trending that way for a decade, not only this gen. It's just that Halo used to be an exception, but evidently no longer is. We'll find out soon enough if Uncharted, Gears, or Gran Turismo retain their exceptional character.
DustyVonEric
Member
We comparing Bloodborne sales to Halo and TR sales?
Awww Yes, we've come a long way Souls Brehs
Awww Yes, we've come a long way Souls Brehs
Omnistalgic
Member
I think Nintendo and Sony should do a handheld, I believe it's still a market for gamers that like smaller screens and portability, I think, it just has to be an extension of the console experience. I think Sony made roadway here in the devs side, win Vita/Ps4, but I disagree the market is not good for another handheld like Shu said. I think the NX rumor is pretty solid, and if devs are making a big game for Ps4, it should be a light version of that for the handheld. Or I guess Sony could just make a custom Android Tablet that is a PSN device.
Really interested to see what NX is tbh...
Really interested to see what NX is tbh...
Primethius
Banned
Uncharted was never on the level of the other two, especially Gears in the NPD.
The highest Uncharted opening is Uncharted 3 at 700k. The lowest Gears opening is Judgement at 620k. The lowest Gears opening for a mainline title is Gears of War 1 at 1 million.
It's more accurate to say that we'll find out if Uncharted will become what Gears is/was.
Halo, no. That's the MS juggernaut (or used to be) that can only be compared to GT (or what GT was) for Sony.
But on a WW basis, UC has proven to be more than competitive with its last 1 or 2 entries imo, perhaps even outdoing the last GeoW mainline entry even with UC3.
But as I said before, UC4 and Gears 4 will show us where they stand this year.
gundamkyoukai
Member
The best eg is most of there games.
I really don't understand how people don't get PS is a WW brand .
And so is Sony software .
Primethius
Banned
WW, for sure. Each UC entry has been a bigger hit (and likewise in the NPD). I was strictly speaking in NPD terms there. My apologies for the lack of clarification.
Bitch Pudding
Member
'Cause I didn't like the old one I came up with a new graph. Quick and dirty (Zhuge wont be proud), but it'll do the trick. And the numbers are the latest official ones.
Uncharted 4 will destroy Gears of War 4 and Halo 5 combined.
Leona Lewis
Banned
In North America?
There is no need to clarify. You are in the NPD thread. If you are talking WW than you would need to say so. Otherwise, it is safe to assume you are talking about NPD.
gundamkyoukai
Member
WW i can see it getting close but not if we talking NPD.
PanicFreak
Member
My major Microsoft related prediction before this gen started was that Gears would be bigger than Halo by the end of this gen. I think it's going to happen. There isn't as much direct competition against Gears as there is against Halo, especially among multiplayer games.
CosmicQueso
Member
Can we not do this? Again?
Bitch Pudding
Member
Given Halo's weak performance and PS4's install base, AND the day of it's release, AND the hype around the game, I have no doubt that Uncharted 4 will crush Halo 5.
My only problem with this is that this is judged prior to the release of CoD4. It lost its quality and presence after that. I don't think Halo will ever be what it once was.
PanicFreak
Member
In NPD or WW? The console install base in the NPD zone isn't that much different between the the two.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Still it's hard to believe that in a NPD thread UC first month could out sell halo first month.
Just saying that a few months ago and people would have call you crazy .
Just saying that a few months ago and people would have call you crazy .
Bitch Pudding
Member
Sure, right now. But look at PS4/MS installbase when Halo 5 arrived and compare that to the one in April. Of course Halo 5 also benefited from holiday season, but still, there's a significant gap.
Nah, it's probably about the same, with stuff like Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, and so on having high digital ratios.
Obliterator
Member
Hey guys just woke up. If we've had any updated software from Cream besides Nintendo shoot me a PM please if possible
Thanks
Thanks
Gotdatmoney
Member
Well I know Toad was 250k but I don't actually think there is a massive gulf between them. I think Xeno is not going to have any legs though. I think unlike Toad where its price, its general audience and its pick up and play nature makes it an easy buy for anyone, Xeno really is a harder on the shelf buy. Then again Bayonetta 2 more than doubled its opening month as have most of Nintendos major releases so it is possible
CosmicQueso
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twothunder
Member
LTD
- Not include HW bundle
- Include special editions
Z:MM3D ~ 942
MH4U ~ 458
AC:AHL+ ~ 9
FF:F ~ 93
S.T.E.A.M. ~ 50
XC3D ~ 147
EMD ~ 20
P&D ~ 103
SMT
LBX ~ 33
EO2U:TFK ~ 19
AC:HHD ~ 270
Miku ~ 45
SK2
Z: TH ~ 312
DBZ: EB ~ 48
Chibi ~ 57
TLOL ~ 31
PSMD ~ 352
YKW ~ 195
SK ~ 27
Kirby ~ 193
MP10 ~ 633
S ~ 849
SMM ~ 944
Yoshi ~ 457
MT: US ~ 67
AC: AF ~ 63
SK ~ 23
Thanks. quite a list
Majora did well. Monster hunter too
Splatoon and Mario Maker over a million with bundles and digital sales.
Yoshi did decent in the US at least. Kirby slowly crawling to 200K
sad to see Etrian as low.
The Last One
Member
We can't even say for sure that Uncharted 4 will sell more than Halo 5 in the US, let alone Gears 4 and Halo 5 combined.
Mikey Jr.
Member
'Cause I didn't like the old one I came up with a new graph. Quick and dirty (Zhuge wont be proud), but it'll do the trick. And the numbers are the latest official ones.
Jesus. Take out the Wii for a second and look at the trajectory of Nintendo consoles.
That shit looks rough.
It's pretty much a linear drop in sales with an insane slope.
Omnistalgic
Member
Yeah, times change. UC4 looks to be at least as successful as TLOU, seems it's a lot of hype around it, good release schedule, could definitely open up bigger than Halo 5, worldwide, it will likely double sales of Halo or more. ND are really ending this thing with a love letter to fans, in fact SP DLC is announced, so there won't be an UC5 with this cast anymore, and unless some other studio has some brilliant idea that ND approves of, this is the finale. I can see it being ND's best game and being another critical darling. ND are very fortunate gaming industry stories generally suck, they can still wow everyone by just telling a good story again.
slavesnyder
Member
It's not so much Bloodbounes fault...We comparing Bloodborne sales to Halo and TR sales?
Awww Yes, we've come a long way Souls Brehs
slavesnyder
Member
Welfare
Member
No Xbox/PS4 software yet? Guess I should go play some games then.
Also, I'm not particularly fond of discussing WW XB1 sell through now, but I'm going to leave this.
The original Xbox shipped 24 million units by the end of 2005. 14.5m units were sold in the US by 2006. It basically stopped selling at this point because MS stopped shipping OGBox's for 360's.
Assuming 0 units were shipped after 2005, and all stock sold through to consumers that's a ratio of 60:40 between the US:ROTW. That was shooterbox 1, with no existing fan base to sell to like the Gamecube and PS2, and the ratio was only 60:40. (Able to sell almost 10 million outside the US)
The Xbox 360 shipped around 86 million units by 2014, potentially past 87 million now. At the end of 2014, the Xbox 360 sold ~42.3m units in the US. There would not be a huge amount of stock for the 360 at this point, so 1 million units waiting to be sold at the end of 2014 is highly unlikely. 750k is as well, but let's go with as high as 800k waiting to be sold (highly unlikely). 85.2m were sold to consumers at the end of 2014. That's a US:ROTW ratio of 50:50. Any number of of stock lower than 800k raises the ratio between the US and ROTW in the ROTW's favor.
Why would the Xbox One have a worse ratio between the US:ROTW than the Original Xbox? This isn't 2001 where the Xbox had to find it's own market, this is 2016 where there is a market for the console in not just the US. Anything above 65:35 for the Xbox One makes no sense. If anything, unless there is news that completely confirms the US accounts for ~65-70% of the US, it makes more sense to stick around 60%, because even the Original Xbox did not have that big of a disparity, despite being dubbed shit like "Shooterbox" and "USbox".
If you are going to throw out numbers like 70%, use that for the US+UK. US is at 11.13m and the UK is >2m (like 2.3-2.4m), or >13.13 (or >13.43-13.53)m.
Also, I'm not particularly fond of discussing WW XB1 sell through now, but I'm going to leave this.
The original Xbox shipped 24 million units by the end of 2005. 14.5m units were sold in the US by 2006. It basically stopped selling at this point because MS stopped shipping OGBox's for 360's.
Assuming 0 units were shipped after 2005, and all stock sold through to consumers that's a ratio of 60:40 between the US:ROTW. That was shooterbox 1, with no existing fan base to sell to like the Gamecube and PS2, and the ratio was only 60:40. (Able to sell almost 10 million outside the US)
The Xbox 360 shipped around 86 million units by 2014, potentially past 87 million now. At the end of 2014, the Xbox 360 sold ~42.3m units in the US. There would not be a huge amount of stock for the 360 at this point, so 1 million units waiting to be sold at the end of 2014 is highly unlikely. 750k is as well, but let's go with as high as 800k waiting to be sold (highly unlikely). 85.2m were sold to consumers at the end of 2014. That's a US:ROTW ratio of 50:50. Any number of of stock lower than 800k raises the ratio between the US and ROTW in the ROTW's favor.
Why would the Xbox One have a worse ratio between the US:ROTW than the Original Xbox? This isn't 2001 where the Xbox had to find it's own market, this is 2016 where there is a market for the console in not just the US. Anything above 65:35 for the Xbox One makes no sense. If anything, unless there is news that completely confirms the US accounts for ~65-70% of the US, it makes more sense to stick around 60%, because even the Original Xbox did not have that big of a disparity, despite being dubbed shit like "Shooterbox" and "USbox".
If you are going to throw out numbers like 70%, use that for the US+UK. US is at 11.13m and the UK is >2m (like 2.3-2.4m), or >13.13 (or >13.43-13.53)m.
Cornbread78
Member
Didn't Sony comment on the extremely high DD usage (VITA) for the west at one point?
I'm really happy with my PS4/XB1 predictions, but damn, did I drop the ball on the MS sales.
My guesses (actual)
[PS4] 1525k (1525)
[XB1] 1376k (1375)
[3DS] 400k (580)
[WIIU] 300k (463)
rokkerkory
Member
x1 needs a slim @ $250 asap
Square2015
Member
Align it with the sales of its predecessors and you'll have your answer. Maybe.
Concerning Nintendo..
NX (home console) will be struggling to get an 8-digit life-time sales...
Why does Wii only go to 70m? It's over 100m right...?