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NPD Sales Results for February 2009
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OldJadedGamer
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Blame! said:
What were the 360 numbers for September 2007 (Halo3 release) compared with the previous September 2006?
timetokill
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Sony needed to have killzone 2 gifs on every street corner and playing at every commercial break 
Doesn't Killzone already have 1.1 million confirmed pre-orders in Europe before release? Take that with the 300,000 copies here and we have 1.4 million sold at retail price. Taking away retail cut you probably have something like $40US in revenue for Sony for each copy and we have $52million in revenue already. How will it NOT cover its development costs?
I'm surprised at the amount of trolls that appear with each NPD thread who are not normally visible in times without though... Still, Sony brought it on themselves and I for one am glad they are about to save themselves from this awful situation by introducing the same Motorstorm bundle they had and add Resistance:FOM to it... for the same price.... :lol:lol:lol
I've always said Scott Steinburg sucks, he's just a fuckhead from Sega. Why did they poach from Sega when it suffered one of the biggest failures in console history? Is Tretton buddy-buddy with Steinburg? Because Steinburg's tenure has been really awful so far. All he does is mouth off how wonderful and"AAA" Sony releases are, I bet he doesn't even play or know what most of these games are. Now that Sony is being restructured from the top, the game division itself could use some restructuring..
I'm surprised at the amount of trolls that appear with each NPD thread who are not normally visible in times without though... Still, Sony brought it on themselves and I for one am glad they are about to save themselves from this awful situation by introducing the same Motorstorm bundle they had and add Resistance:FOM to it... for the same price.... :lol:lol:lol
I've always said Scott Steinburg sucks, he's just a fuckhead from Sega. Why did they poach from Sega when it suffered one of the biggest failures in console history? Is Tretton buddy-buddy with Steinburg? Because Steinburg's tenure has been really awful so far. All he does is mouth off how wonderful and"AAA" Sony releases are, I bet he doesn't even play or know what most of these games are. Now that Sony is being restructured from the top, the game division itself could use some restructuring..
Some quick thoughts that came to mind after scanning the numbers:
- Difference between 360 and PS3 version of SF4 is smaller than expected.
- KZ2 number was not bad, but not good either even for 2 days.
- PS3 sales are lower than I expected
- Wii numbers are amazing, but that worries me. There have only been a few Wii games in the past 6 months that I bought, but the system continues to sell so damn well. If I were one of Nintendo suits, I wouldn't even bother investing in another Zelda or high-budget titles until the next system.
- Despite rough year start for Sony, I think we may see a lot of 360-only owners buying a PS3 due to its upcoming and already released exclusives IF MS doesn't announce anything new this year soon.
- Difference between 360 and PS3 version of SF4 is smaller than expected.
- KZ2 number was not bad, but not good either even for 2 days.
- PS3 sales are lower than I expected
- Wii numbers are amazing, but that worries me. There have only been a few Wii games in the past 6 months that I bought, but the system continues to sell so damn well. If I were one of Nintendo suits, I wouldn't even bother investing in another Zelda or high-budget titles until the next system.
- Despite rough year start for Sony, I think we may see a lot of 360-only owners buying a PS3 due to its upcoming and already released exclusives IF MS doesn't announce anything new this year soon.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Were you reading a different GAF to the one I read? Killzone 2's audience already knew about the game. They knew the fuck out of it. They've known about it since E3 2005 and that infamous trailer and has featured on every single "Wait for..." list for the PS3 since, right next to "Final Fantasy VII Remake".chubigans said:
You know the trailer I'm talk ing about. It's the one that caused that guy to trade in his Xbox fanboy jacket for a Sony one. It's also the game that spawned a million gifs that were obnoxiously spammed on every game-related forum on the Internet. It's also the game that launched ten thousand Helghast avatars and enabled Kittonwy to continue his stupid joke character antics.
To say that there was no hype for Killzone 2 is a filthy lie and you should pray to whatever deity you believe in for forgiveness lest you become the focus of divine retribution for your blasphemous deception.
Mama Robotnik
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Some great gif competition this month all round. Particularly impressed with DrForester and HylianTom's works.
Regarding the results, I'm not going to say price drop, there's no point. Sony are caught between a recession and a hard place. They're selling the most expensive console in history, during the worst recession in living memory.
In terms of business decisions and profit, Nintendo have got so much right this generation, that their models of development and marketing will become required-reading for all future console manufacturers.
Regarding the results, I'm not going to say price drop, there's no point. Sony are caught between a recession and a hard place. They're selling the most expensive console in history, during the worst recession in living memory.
In terms of business decisions and profit, Nintendo have got so much right this generation, that their models of development and marketing will become required-reading for all future console manufacturers.
Segata Sanshiro
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I think Sony did an excellent job of pushing Killzone 2 with the hardcore gamer demographic, but they pretty much didn't bother with anyone else.
I actually expect this game to be that same odd sort of 'leggy' that Uncharted and LBP were/are, but still, looking at the probable dev costs along with the sales of other titles in the genre, the initial sales are probably not what Sony was hoping for. It could have been a hell of a lot worse, though.
I actually expect this game to be that same odd sort of 'leggy' that Uncharted and LBP were/are, but still, looking at the probable dev costs along with the sales of other titles in the genre, the initial sales are probably not what Sony was hoping for. It could have been a hell of a lot worse, though.
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markatisu said:
sales wise
inb4 2 days
i'd consider the killzone 2 figure underwhelming, but underwhelming for what?
reception has been extremely mixed, varying from zeus:encoded to a middling slog. hype has been (outside of the common sense graveyard of gaf threads) relatively muted, both in advertising and word of mouth, it's using an ip that nobody previously gave a rats ass about and the ps3 is definitely not the go-to console for the majority of the console fps contingent.
3-500k for the month is a decent figure, and will surely tick well enough. it won't set the world on fire, but it seems unfair to expect this.
then you factor in the budget. that's when it all gets a little less rosy.
reception has been extremely mixed, varying from zeus:encoded to a middling slog. hype has been (outside of the common sense graveyard of gaf threads) relatively muted, both in advertising and word of mouth, it's using an ip that nobody previously gave a rats ass about and the ps3 is definitely not the go-to console for the majority of the console fps contingent.
3-500k for the month is a decent figure, and will surely tick well enough. it won't set the world on fire, but it seems unfair to expect this.
then you factor in the budget. that's when it all gets a little less rosy.
DeaconKnowledge
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JKBii said:
This should totally have been the ad. I would have run out and bought a PS3 immediately.
Psychotext
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Ask yourself this... why are companies so willing to give out European pre-order numbers when they generally wont for other regions?gantz85 said:
Good stuff for Street Fighter IV - very nice to see what happens when a main Street Fighter comes out after more than a decade...
Get that update out for lobbies soon though!
Killzone 2 - after all these many years, the hope, and the GAF hype on the forums, people are now saying that 300-something thousand in sales is what they expected?
That's some bold-face lying if I ever saw any - I wished that everyone that said that posted their predictions before saying that... I would have expected that the biggest PS3 game that has been talked about should have done much better - then again, the amount of times I saw the plain commercial could be counted on one hand, and never saw any ads past that, whether posters or even web ads...
Cold-blooded man... :lol
Get that update out for lobbies soon though!
Killzone 2 - after all these many years, the hope, and the GAF hype on the forums, people are now saying that 300-something thousand in sales is what they expected?
That's some bold-face lying if I ever saw any - I wished that everyone that said that posted their predictions before saying that... I would have expected that the biggest PS3 game that has been talked about should have done much better - then again, the amount of times I saw the plain commercial could be counted on one hand, and never saw any ads past that, whether posters or even web ads...
MWS Natural said:
Cold-blooded man... :lol
That's about what I think to.Segata Sanshiro said:
I love the shit out of killzone2, but I think the learning curve (in regards to the MP) is going to turn off people more and more. There is a pretty noticeable skill gap emerging in the gameplay, combined with some pretty complicated modes/strategies/classes with little or no tutorials. As the killzone community gets even better, I really think those arriving to the game late are going to have an extremely hard time learning and unlocking, and without a playlist/party system I honestly think that the COD franchise is going to be Killzone's long-term undoing. Doesn't modern warfare 2 release this upcoming fall?
Nutter said:
No it's not a BS excuse, outside of the Hardcore PS customers and hardcore gamers, few people know about Killzone, they only started running ads for it after release. CoD4 sold 444k in November on the PS3 for its first month,and you're saying that Killzone 2 selling 300K in it's first two days is somehow a BS excuse?
November 2007
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3) - Activision - 444 000
Release date: November 6, 2007
Number of day counted: 23
March 2009
Killzone 2 (PS3) - Sony Computer Entertainment - 323 000
Release Date: February 27, 2009
Number of days counted: 2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty_4
http://www.thesimexchange.com/blogpost.php?post_id=455
Psychotext
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Here's some more...Zen said:
Some people have been willing to predict what the total sales after March will be... that's the far more interesting number.
Oh, and you should probably pay attention to the installed base as it's quite important.Exactly! Not only will we see how it compared to all the games listed in your previous post but also Resident Evil and Halo Wars!Psychotext said:Some people have been willing to predict what the total sales after March will be... that's the far more interesting number.
Psychotext said:Here's some more...
Some people have been willing to predict what the total sales after March will be... that's the far more interesting number.
I'm not sure I understand those comparison charts. Why compare Bioshock to COD? What am I missing here?
suffah said:
So Killzone 2 is magically the most front loaded first party title for SCE because you say so, even though it's also the most mass appeal hardcore gamer title they've released so far?
Why are you convinced that Killzone 2 will have such a huge drop off (shooter typically don't). Uncharted wasn't front loaded, Ratchet and Clank wasn't front loaded. Hell, Little Big Planet wasn't front loaded. Why will Killzone 2 be so front loaded.
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Zen said:
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Bottom line: $400+ Lackluster marketing + Bad Economy= RelativelyLackluster Sales. Personally I think 323,000 units in TWO DAYS in FEBRUARY on a system that has a entry level that is around TWO TIMES the amount of it's compeition is respectable. Granted it could've done better, but if anyone was expecting Halo 3 numbers, I would like to know what kind of meds you are taking and suggest you up your dosage.
Psychotext
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It's a range of games with guns, what they sold, and how many consoles were out there when they were released. Some good numbers, some not so good numbers.OuterWorldVoice said:
I didn't include Halo 3 because... well, frankly there's no comparison. I didn't include Gears 2 because the 360 userbase size was considerably bigger than the current PS3 userbase size when it was released.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
The real sad news is that this means House of the Dead: Overkill sold less than 135k!
This is far more of a travesty than whaever half you wanted for Killzone. FPS games on PS3 are not going anywhere. Now we won't get our HARDCORE on WII anymore
This is far more of a travesty than whaever half you wanted for Killzone. FPS games on PS3 are not going anywhere. Now we won't get our HARDCORE on WII anymore
TChirath said:
You would if your goal is to surpass the PS2 which they are gunning for.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/01/30/iwata-nintendos-e3-2009-software-aimed-to-topple-ps2/
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John Harker said:The real sad news is that this means House of the Dead: Overkill sold less than 135k!
This is far more of a travesty than whaever half you wanted for Killzone. FPS games on PS3 are not going anywhere. Now we won't get our HARDCORE on WII anymore
wait till next month.. please chart madworld!
John Harker said:The real sad news is that this means House of the Dead: Overkill sold less than 135k!
This is far more of a travesty than whaever half you wanted for Killzone. FPS games on PS3 are not going anywhere. Now we won't get our HARDCORE on WII anymore
But the real question on "hardcore" Wii games is not the number, but do they meet the expectations and recoup the dev budget? Do we know what Sega forecasted?
John Harker said:The real sad news is that this means House of the Dead: Overkill sold less than 135k!
This is far more of a travesty than whaever half you wanted for Killzone. FPS games on PS3 are not going anywhere. Now we won't get our HARDCORE on WII anymore
You thought it would sell higher than 135k? No light gun game has done that in one month, it took almost a year for REUC to reach 455k in the US
Shit HoTD Overkill has charted higher than any other light gun game in the EU for more time and at most it will have gotten a 100-200k award
There was hype on the internet for Killzone 2, which resulted in over 300k internet hardcore gamers to buy the game.viciouskillersquirrel said:
There was ZERO hype outside the internet. I know it, you know it, and the sales show it. If you seriously think GAF is a barometer of gaming sales, well, you'd know we'd be seeing a very different top ten list right about now.
Well Wii games don't stop selling after the first week, see all the high selling crapware.John Harker said:The real sad news is that this means House of the Dead: Overkill sold less than 135k!
This is far more of a travesty than whaever half you wanted for Killzone. FPS games on PS3 are not going anywhere. Now we won't get our HARDCORE on WII anymore
FateBreaker
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DevelopmentArrested said:
...Huh? I'm walking around to make sure I'm not drunk, I only had a few sips of beeeeyaahh.
I am saying exactly what you think I'm not saying: development costs are crazy high, and a 20-million budget would not be enough...I would wager it was more around 40 million. Now, what the hell are you bitching about? That's all I said. I am sure K2 will recover that amount, if it hasn't worldwide already, but I DON'T think that it will push Sony into a profit of some sort this quarter.
I'm still trying to figure out what you're disputing with me...."Being in development forever means the costs would be higher." No, shit?
John Harker said:The real sad news is that this means House of the Dead: Overkill sold less than 135k!
This is far more of a travesty than whaever half you wanted for Killzone. FPS games on PS3 are not going anywhere. Now we won't get our HARDCORE on WII anymore
Unlike the PS3, Wii games have legs.
Though, unlike OTHER third-party Wii games, HotD actually had advertisements. Still, I think MadWorld will wind up being a better test.
i hope those types that don't acknowledge how frontloaded big console exclusives are remember the lbp debacle, where we all waited with baited breathe to find out that it didn't even chart in the top 20 for it's first "proper" month of sales, after achieving 215k in the few days it had at the end of the previous month.
Zen said:
The winner chooses the avatar the other user must use for 2 weeks, or however long you want.
The #10 spot next month will probably need 150-175k. That means KZ2 will need to only sell ~50% of what it did in the first two days for the entire month of March.
EDIT: Oh crap KZ2 ad just came on tv. Probably an omen. :lol