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NPD Sales Results for February 2009
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BenjaminBirdie
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F#A#Oo said:
Only in Japan. Which will help it of course, but it's a smaller market. It could kick start more Japanese publisher support for RPGs and such, but the 360 iterations of the genre don't seem to be doing as great world wide.
Son of Godzilla
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Well, I meant to say first party support.gofreak said:
Stumpokapow
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Yazus said:
Really?
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Change FF XIII with FF XIII VS.F#A#Oo said:
Spider_Jerusalem
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I think KZ2 sales are very poor, given the hype that surrounded the game, and its very high quality: yes it's only two days, but Halo 3 in "only 5 days" managed to sell 3.3mil in USA and move a lot of 360s. For a game like this, I could easily expect 1 million in the first day.
And word of mouth? This is a super-hyped game that people are waiting since the console's launch: do you think it really needs word of mouth?
And word of mouth? This is a super-hyped game that people are waiting since the console's launch: do you think it really needs word of mouth?
JoshuaJSlone
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For shits and since this is an NPD thread, here's a launch synchronized X360 vs PS3 image for the US only.
Yeah, he got that one.shykyoichi said:
Segata Sanshiro
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No, people blow up when I throw them. It's kinda weird and really causes some problems during rough sex.Nocebo said:
JoshuaJSlone
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Sure. It needs word of mouth from the tiny percentage of hardcore nerds who have actually been following the game for years to everyone else.Spider_Jerusalem said:
BenjaminBirdie
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Spider_Jerusalem said:
Plus we know that a huge percentage of that was absolutely in the first two days.
manueldelalas
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And Halo 3 was sold to a smaller userbase...Spider_Jerusalem said:
BenjaminBirdie said:
you are just talking bull... how can PS3 perform better when it is sold for $400 in worst economy since big depression, while 360 dropped their price to $200?
Burden to fanboys maybe, but burden to analysts and investors - i dont think so. They like making money, not arguing with fanboys.
Besides, KZ2 sold well, and it sold well worldwide. UK month alone should see it over 200k units, let alone rest of the europe. Game should make Sony overall double what it was made for, in the 1st month of sales. And thats on most expensive console on the market, at worst time possible.
SFIV did excellet worldwide on PS3, which is another boost to Sony as well. Obviously they make a lot of money from licensing, and it also boosts developer confidence as well as investors... Similar should happen with RE5 this month.
BenjaminBirdie
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spwolf said:
I think they'd also like improving their sales YOY when releasing one of their biggest games of the year, which would probably fall under the auspices of pleasing investors, as KZ undoubtedly involved a large investment of capital and if that capital invested leads to a monthly sales scenario that might as well not even have had Killzone 2 on the system when comparing February's, that's probably not what investors want to see.
Burden is probably the wrong word, but I couldn't think of another one.
Btw I find it a bit absurd when people mention word of mouth.
I mean seriously the only console/s that seems to actually have that word of mouth signiture is the DS and Wii. Then we move to games and again it's those two platforms that have those same signitures.
You cannot apply the same to the 360 or PS3...their games have their spike and then everyone moves on...
I mean seriously the only console/s that seems to actually have that word of mouth signiture is the DS and Wii. Then we move to games and again it's those two platforms that have those same signitures.
You cannot apply the same to the 360 or PS3...their games have their spike and then everyone moves on...
spwolf said:
I haven't been paying attention, but isn't Birdie talking in absolutes? As in, nothing - not the poor economy, not the time of launch, not the disparity in price points, NOTHING - matters except how the two consoles are selling right now, today. And 360 is outselling PS3, period.
You can handicap PS3 as much as you want by saying, "It came out a year later, so let's sync the launches," or "Not fair! It's a $400 console in a great depression!" But the only fact that matters is what the consoles are selling today, and what the LTD totals look like.
Segata Sanshiro
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The price of the machine is absolutely a major hindrance, and of course it's intrinsically tied to the cost of the machine, but both of those things are Sony's choice/fault and *only* Sony's choice/fault. It is of course the reason why it isn't doing better, but throwing it out there every time as a defence for the machine's soft performance just gets more and more "uh hunh, and?" with every utterance.spwolf said:
Son of Godzilla
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Didn't Halo 3 sell to over 50% of all 360 owners in it's first two months or something? Comparing it to a single system game without the word Wii in it is ridiculous.manueldelalas said:
Didn't R2 put up almost equal numbers as KZ2 in November? And then fell on it's face in Dec, for a high profile fps in December at least? Well actually, that's a good question. Is KZ2 good enough to have eaten into WaW and possibly Gears/L4D sales? I think it would have, much more than R2 did.
oldergamer
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LOL, whatever happened to Hoffman?Wizman23 said:
a Master Ninja
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Yazus said:
You did that on purpose, didn't you?
BenjaminBirdie said:
This generation seems to have killed the RPG genre (atleast for me)...
If I want my RPG fix I have to go to my DS or PS2. Which is fine and all but damn! 3 years in and I'm baffled to why we haven't seen a decent RPG on the PS3/360. Oh and I can't get into S-E's RPG's this generation they just seem C and B level games at best...
Stoney Mason
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Kolgar said:
This and how much money they are making or losing is the only thing that matters. Using the price of the PS3 as a crutch to bat away poor performance (or lack of advertising for certain games) is meaningless at this point except from a statistical curiosity outlook.
Segata Sanshiro
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He got permabanned and came back as Trailblazer. Then he got perma'd again. Not sure who he'll be next.oldergamer said:
Son of Godzilla
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It's funny. Surely this gen's RPGs are better than PS2 or DS ones by merely being part of this generation, right? The fact that they (Well, compared to PS2 at least) mostly aren't is really indicative of how poorly these devs understand what people want.F#A#Oo said:
Flying_Phoenix said:I know this is a little off-topic, but speaking of attention getting gifs.
...Seriously...I mean really.
Those ads are actually adware. If you are infected, you'll see them on all of your sites, even it is a site about a nunnery.
You can google for a bunch of remedies. Here is one:
http://aalaap.blogspot.com/2008/10/block-annoying-vimax-ads.html
BenjaminBirdie
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F#A#Oo said:
I've enjoyed LO and BD quite a bit, but I haven't finished them, which probably says something.
But I haven't gotten rid of them either, which probably says something else. I keep wanting to get the S-E stuff or Vesperia, but I have these two unfinished behemoths looking down at me. LO, I have to say, is a really great experience. The reason I haven't finished it is because I spent dozens of hours getting every mortal all their skills and transfering them to the immortals. I really quite like that system.
It's especially funny how all of a sudden it seems natural for 360 to break its own records during these poor economy times while the same people predicted in August/September last year only a short-term bump of sales caused by the price cut and then it would be back to the previous mediocre results.Kolgar said:
NemesisPrime
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Vinci said:
ROFL...
Now I am temped to do a Hoffman avatar with a halo... or maybe he was Buddhist? He reincarnated
One reason I haven't gotten as strongly into RPGs this generation compared to last is simply that there haven't been nearly as many and also due to my constantly dwindling free time. I honestly don't have the time to blow on 30 hours of cutscenes, particularly when the average RPG story isn't all that amazing.
Which might explain why I've gone from a pretty stable RPG gamer towards things like Art Style games and puzzle stuff. I grew up, time became scarce, and I've other things to do.
This is anecdotal, of course, but I think it's somewhat telling considering the age of the 'Sony era' gamer has likely reached a point where obligations and responsibilities manifest themselves more readily.
Which might explain why I've gone from a pretty stable RPG gamer towards things like Art Style games and puzzle stuff. I grew up, time became scarce, and I've other things to do.
This is anecdotal, of course, but I think it's somewhat telling considering the age of the 'Sony era' gamer has likely reached a point where obligations and responsibilities manifest themselves more readily.
Nocebo said:
A price drop will definitely increase sales.(we'll see if they announce that at GDC or not) Also look at SFIV sales on PS3. That shows that devs can still make money off the PS3 so i dont think they would discontinue supporting it nor avoid giving support to it. Theres plenty of PS3 exclusives coming out this year plus steadily 3rd party support FYI.
Spider_Jerusalem said:
a)There were 2 Halos b4 Halo 3. Both of them were very successfull on XB1, no reason why HL3 wouldnt sell.
b)Halo3 marketing was Huge.(7-11 anyone?)
b)KZ1 wasnt a huge success when it came out, big disappointment. KZ:Liberation was an Ok game but wasnt that big of a deal really.(only for PSP crowd, not a huge console release)
Only the really hardcore or fans of KZ universe were day1 for KZ2. Others were skeptical due to previous GG games. (EX: "KZ1 sucked, KZ2 is gonna suck too"). Core(normal? not sure what word to use, semi-casual?) gamers dont really know about this game. Why? Because Sony didnt market the game as usual. So it could be said that word of mouth is the only way for this game to sell.
You might say "hey there was the E3 05 vid plus reviews!!!, hype of 4 years". Ok well ONLY the hardcore(us) watched E3 and knew about the video, your typical joe gamer doesnt give a shit like that. Reviews are meant for the ppls that know about the said game and only really matter to, again, us hardcore gamers(see KZ 9.4 fiasco etc). An example of this is my friend Mike. He bought the game last weekend I believe. He only bought it because he played it over his friend's house. Thats right, not because he saw a TV ad nor from a review he read, because of his friend. He had no idea it what it was b4. If he hadnt got it from his friend, I would of told him about it, hence "word of mouth". Not everyone out there is like us.
(B4 I get bashed, I dont expect KZ2 to magicly sell gangbusters on march nor expect PS3 to skyrocket and beat 360 anytime soon. I do blame Sony for once again dropping the ball here on a big release. Im not here to protect PS3 nor anything just stating why word of mouth might get KZ2 some sales after the day1 ppls and that hype only affected the hardcore)
Spider_Jerusalem
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szaromir said:
And it seems there aren't any distinct games pushing this behaviour: maybe we're really at a point where "casual" PS2 owners start looking for a new console, and many of them end up getting a 360. This, or maybe L&D had a strong impact on console sales too, maybe people who finished the game on PS3 and now bought a 360 for the new story...
BenjaminBirdie
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szaromir said:
Yup. People keep bringing up the economy, but we know that every 360 sold is not an arcade, and we know that it's still a $200 machine that requires a bunch of other investments for a lot of its functionality and yet it has made a tremendous YOY gain when, like you said, many were predicting it would only receive a slight bump and then dip back down. I wouldn't be surprised if there were predictions that it would be Killzone's release that helped foster that.
Sho_Nuff82
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belvedere said:
KZ2 came out on a Friday in the UK (like most games, so it only had two days of sales to report), and dropped >50% in its second full week, and dropped >50% from that in its 3rd full week according to chart track.
Given a similar sales pattern in the states, it would pull about the same numbers for the entire month of March as it did for the last two days of February, which would put it in the same boat as Bioshock. Good numbers, but not worthy of the lofty sales goals posted here and elsewhere, and certainly not a system seller on the level of MGS4.
gregor7777
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belvedere said:
Nope, they were hugely successful actually. Their intent was to rile up the people dumb enough to take the bait, and it worked. Fully 1/4 of the posts in this thread are pointing out to people that Killzone 2 was on sale for 2 days.
plagiarize
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i feel sorry for the Sony fans, because Sony don't care about sales numbers right now. they care about profit. they don't care about revenue. they care about profit. they don't care about sales charts. they care about profit.
this is difficult for a lot of Sony kids, because Sony are happily letting the 360 continue to outsell them. because they care more about profit than outselling the 360 right now.
they couldn't care less about whether or not KZ2 'wins' any given NPD period. they put it out where they think it will do the best business, and frankly it's looking fairly smart to have given SF4 breathing room.
it may not look pretty in the sales charts, but it should give the game the best sales it was going to get over all.
releasing last winter would have cannibalized their other first party titles, and releasing later, would have let the PS3 hardware sales nose dive even more.
KZ2 has done nicely, and it will continue to do nicely. as ever, the lofty expectations of one set of fanboys, and the joy of another set of fanboys for the game not reaching them will over shadow that.
no one game can save a system. lets stop judging a game's performance on hardware sales.
lets see if KZ2 is as front loaded as most PS3 games seem to be or not.
this is difficult for a lot of Sony kids, because Sony are happily letting the 360 continue to outsell them. because they care more about profit than outselling the 360 right now.
they couldn't care less about whether or not KZ2 'wins' any given NPD period. they put it out where they think it will do the best business, and frankly it's looking fairly smart to have given SF4 breathing room.
it may not look pretty in the sales charts, but it should give the game the best sales it was going to get over all.
releasing last winter would have cannibalized their other first party titles, and releasing later, would have let the PS3 hardware sales nose dive even more.
KZ2 has done nicely, and it will continue to do nicely. as ever, the lofty expectations of one set of fanboys, and the joy of another set of fanboys for the game not reaching them will over shadow that.
no one game can save a system. lets stop judging a game's performance on hardware sales.
lets see if KZ2 is as front loaded as most PS3 games seem to be or not.