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NPD Sales Results for February 2009
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Sony may have an even rougher road next gen...MS will launch with a very powerful console with BR playback (or an external player) and since they are on a better schedule than Sony, they're in a more flexible position to choose their launch dates. I can already see it...Launch 2-3 years from now with an announcement of "recession is over, get back in the game"...or something like that. Launch with Halo 4 and it'll be over before it even starts (in the US at least).Vinci said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Jocchan said:
Matthew was quoting Jesus. 
Pureauthor
Member
Stumpokapow said:Matthew was quoting Jesus.
Stump, are you losing it? Please tell me if you're losing it. We can help you.
lawblob said:
Like everything else Wii devs are missing the boat
The Wii games that use the Balance Board and promote it get sales (below are all US sales)
Shaun White is on its way to 600-700k in the US, Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party has sold between 300-500k, Jillians Fitness past 500k last month, We Ski sold between 300-500k (cant remember what Namco reported) , and EA has their EA Active package coming in May that looks really good.
Even games like My Fitness Coach (which does NOT use the Balance Board) are moving up the charts.
If more devs would make solid from the ground up games like Shaun White I think they would see the payoff easily.
No word, we do not have any numbers outside the Top 10 and HoTD Overkill probably resides somewhere in the Top 30 or off the charts (just like every other light gun game outside of NERF at Christmas or REUC)
Segata Sanshiro
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Can't say, but quite a lot better than Yakuza 1 & 2 put together.scitek said:
Flying_Phoenix
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Where the hell is the "Top 20" by platform and overall?
Surfergirl is mostly right by stating the extremely obvious. This is a perfect example Killzone 2 development costs have significantly gone up after it's been delayed? Really?
I mean there are examples of good unseen predictions but they are few and far inbetween.
Ugh. Yeah I have a MAJOR virus on my PC right now. I have to actually get my entire hard-drive swept clean today.
Thank God for Filedropper.
Jocchan said:
Surfergirl is mostly right by stating the extremely obvious. This is a perfect example Killzone 2 development costs have significantly gone up after it's been delayed? Really?
I mean there are examples of good unseen predictions but they are few and far inbetween.
Johann said:
Ugh. Yeah I have a MAJOR virus on my PC right now. I have to actually get my entire hard-drive swept clean today.
Thank God for Filedropper.
This is another typical GAF NPD thread.....Full of Americans thinking that the US = The world.
It.......doesn't.
The US and UK is MS's strongest markets,whilst the rest range from non-existant to shit to average.
Sony is doing decidedly average in all markets, with some being worse than others due to high price, and high price alone. (US being one of the worst ones relatively speaking.)
It both means they are doing as average as each other worldwide and given one of them is half the price of the other I would figure it should be the lowest price one that thinks they are fucked.
Simple fucking economics......
It.......doesn't.
The US and UK is MS's strongest markets,whilst the rest range from non-existant to shit to average.
Sony is doing decidedly average in all markets, with some being worse than others due to high price, and high price alone. (US being one of the worst ones relatively speaking.)
It both means they are doing as average as each other worldwide and given one of them is half the price of the other I would figure it should be the lowest price one that thinks they are fucked.
Simple fucking economics......
3rdman said:
And see, I don't care. That's the point. If Sony has a rough road ahead - okay, whatever. Good luck to them. But I'm not going to hold my breath or cry myself to sleep at night worried about whether they're going to pull off the sort of coup next-gen that Nintendo did this time, or if MS is going to own both of them. I supported Sony for two generations in a row without any bearing on the name of the hardware manufacturer.
I think many Sony, MS, and Nintendo fans should follow the same thought process. I'm still just boggled by the fact that people paid $600 for a game system.
The original conversation was that it went missing from NPD's. Which it did.Kunan said:
So your point is?
..and again, the game got the Christmas bump. So, using "great third month sales!" is pretty shitty reasoning based on the obvious. Particularly since, for some reason, people are using it as a barometer for possible KZ sales. It's not remotely the same situation.
Interfectum
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kitch9 said:
:lol @ American bashing
Why don't you man up and name names instead of using such an idiotic blanket statement?
Amibguous Cad
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AniHawk said:
I liked TP, but although it incorporated the wiimote well enough, it didn't take full advantage of what it allows you to do. The precedent of Phantom Hourglass makes me excited for what they're going to do with a Zelda game built from the ground up to use the wiimote.
donny2112 said:
No.
We hear this "2 days!" canard all the time when a hyped game underperforms, and it never ends up redeeming itself. See: Metroid Prime 3, LittleBigPlanet. If LBP couldn't do it with its seemingly inevitable legs, how do you expect the notoriously frontloaded hardcore FPS to do the same?
It's an exclusive on the PS3, an FPS that has much hardcore appeal. Of course it's going to sell the bulk of its units in the first few days. It's not impossible that it'll chart next month (my money says it won't), but you're deluded if you think that it'll hit above 300k. I'd be willing to do a tag bet that says it does under 200k for next month.
But guys, I know we like needling Sony fanboys about Killzone sales, but there are a couple of mysteries that haven't seen anywhere near the amount of discussion they deserve:
-why the hell are X360 sales up 44% YoY YTD?
-why the hell did the PS3 version of SFIV do so much better relative to the 360 version than any other major multiplat title we've seen?
donny2112 said:
Again, if the boxed copy retail version of GTAIV couldn't move systems, there's no way an expansion could have.
NPD said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296026
For reference, here's numbers for the month previous:
NPD said:
http://secondstorygamer.com/2008/04/march-2008-npd-numbers/
womfalcs3 said:
Remember the Xbox 360 was the underdog in this generation.
The PS3 is far from being a Dreamcast but its marketshare lose to the Xbox 360 compared to the PS2 is astonishing.
I was expecting KZ2 to perform somewhere near MGS4 but even when this only includes 2 days of sales it seems that it won't get close. MS performed a great timing with Halo Wars to steal KZ2 after-launch thunder. Same could be said for RE5 even when it wasn't planned by MS.
I hope Sony isn't pulling a 2007 once again and actually has a big franchise to push holidays like God of War 3 or GT5. If not, we're in for another Microsoft dominance, only that this year - unlike 2008 - they would've leaded most of the year.
markatisu said:
I love this number. :lol
I always imagine the Super Scope outselling the Genesis when I read this.
Vinci said:
I pity the fools who paid $2300 on Ebay for a PS3 just so they could play Genji and NBA Live..... one can only imagine the mental anguish they endured trying to justify the splurge. :lol
kitch9 said:I didn't mean it to come across as harsh as that....
Those dude's do have a tendancy to......Uhm.....forget that other people actually do exist....
And then there's all those people in those other countries - I hear they exist - that actually imagine they factor into any equation whatsoever.
Hmm.
PhoenixDark
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Kunan said:
His point about LBP "vanishing" was exaggerated, but the overall point was that the game was supposed to be huge and instead fizzled and disappeared. Celebrating a largely promoted game for barely selling more than 200k in December misses the point, and certainly doesn't destroy my argument. They weren't impressive numbers compared to the obscene hypes and hopes of a small few.
I think the same thing is happening with KZ2 to a lesser degree. As a dark FPS it's going to sell, but clearly it's not the world shattering system selling Halo killer it was made out to be. You can't be a "Halo killer" if you're not even on Gears of War's level. I'm not commenting on the quality of the game, but on people's interest (and lack thereof) in it. Feb PS3 sales went down compared to last month. At the end of the day the game isn't selling systems
I could post a giant red logo of Nintendo, that is the reason why Sony is currently selling on par or perhaps worse than MS in Europe.kitch9 said:
Said gaming company has taken over store shelves and most of the gaming market for the first time ever. SEGA always was ahead of Nintendo in Europe, the MegaDrive sold gangbusters here, hence why Sonic is still very popular. Enter Sony, who took most of the European market untill they got their asses handed to them on a platter by the Wii and NoE. Which didn't bother to fix their supply issues untill late 2008!
Amibguous Cad
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While people claiming that the PS3 is redeemed as of this moment because of a higher price point are kinda missing the point, it does mean that the PS3 has much more room to drop the price in the future, which probably means a longer lifespan (lol 10 year cycle) and greater sales in the long run.
lowlylowlycook said:
The PS3 versions of multiplatform games are selling well enough that it's in the best interests of publishers to release PS3 ports of their games. A price cut will boost sales but the effect on game releases will be negligible.
If developers were going to push the PS3 harder they'd already be doing it. Developers pushed the Xbox 1 despite its small userbase relative t the PS3.
Amibguous Cad said:
Again: This isn't true. The PS3 is receiving these 3rd party games based on the 360's existence. If Microsoft launches their next console first again, most 3rd parties will jump to develop for it - and if the differences between their system and the PS3 are big enough to make porting too difficult to bother with, the PS3's support will dwindle long before it turns 7.
Felix Lighter
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womfalcs3 said:
If the PS3 doesn't hit $200 before 2011 or 2012, I don't think it will change things that substantially because their competition will have dropped below that earlier. The price of the PS3 will likely be an issue throughout this entire generation.
Jocchan said:
Awesome.....
How many units did MS and Sony sell worldwide last year?
10.8 million shipped each.... Worldwide. Now consider the fact the 360 is half the price of the PS3 and that leads me to think that demand for the 360 is less so they have to sell at a lower price.
Therefore MS are more fucked than their competition as their competition can lower the price if they so fucking wish to increase demand. MS have fewer options in this department as they are already cheap.
Simple economics.....
kitch9 said:
360 launched a year ahead and had the market to themselves, 360 got cheaper to make therefore making price cut easier to afford
Sony is not in the same position which is why they wont lower the price
360 did not have to lower the price to compete with the PS3, they had to lower it to stay competitive with the Wii (or did we all miss the fact that the big price drop came with a renewed focus on the Arcade units)
kitch9 said:
Wut?
How about some simple physics, if I drop two apples from a window, they both fall at the same rate. *mind blown*
Unless you know for a fact that the cost margins are better for PS3 at $400 relative to the 360 at $199, you are really no more intelligent than Spywolf claiming KZ2 is already profitable because it sold 300,000 units x $60.
womfalcs3
Banned
Felix Lighter said:
The PS3 was outselling the X360 in the US a year ago. When although the price difference wasn't as large as it is now, it was significant.
That showed that it doesn't need to be cheaper or at the same price. It just needed to be not as more expensive as it is now.
If Sony cuts price to $300 this year, that would work for the moment to compete with the 200 dollar X360 (and 300-dollar Pro).
markatisu said:
It did well as the price cut only made them competitive with the PS3 looking at the sales figures..... So they are both DOOOMMMED I tell ya.....
Sony will probably move once the exchange rates sort themselves out, or they may not. They WILL drop the price sooner or later, and a forum full of economic graduate wannabies ain't gonna speed up when it will happen and Sony will do it when it makes business sense to do it....
Pureauthor
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kitch9 said:
By the time 'the exchange rates sort themselves out', the focus would be on the next generation of consoles.
kitch9 said:
Economists told us just a year ago that the US was in great shape. You have to look at recent data. The PS3 has now posted 4 consecutive months of YoY declines (although the rate of decline has eased up a bit). The 360 has posted YoY growth during those same months. "Simple economics" would suggest that the PS3 has hit a wall here in the US. The uptake of the 360 over the PS3 has accelerated.
I wonder if the effect on game releases will stay negligible. There does seem to be a shift going on. Games that would normally be exclusives on a playstation machine are turning into multiplat or going exclusive on a different console. Though cases of the latter are few.Azrael said:
Worst case scenario: The multiplat situation could affect the ps3 in a bad way. The need to own a more expensive ps3 goes down. Sales could decline and ultimately creating a multiplat title will not be worth it.
Of course that's not happening but it could if things don't get any better and when sony doesn't come up with something good for next gen.