Eolz
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I hope you're not implying it has 20% or more digital sales.
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NPD Sales Results for March 2015 [Up1: Nintendo numbers, PS4 placing]
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I hope you're not implying it has 20% or more digital sales.
thekiddfran
Member
So no numbers from Microsoft. Their silence says everything
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
A singleplayer only game that is estimated to take around 6 hours to complete and has no retention mechanism like New Game + or similar is basically destined to be trade in fodder.
El-Pistolero
Member
You manage to contradict yourself quite brilliantly...
Even if has (which I doubt), still remains bad sales.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Poor The Order
I was not a fan of the game but I had hoped for a sequel atleast.
As for GTA V, the combined figures become 14590k, which is a lot. Do we have any number for the best selling game in NPD?
If sales are similar in Europe it might never reach 1 mil unless it's aggressively bundled.
Many will have preordered it on the ps store well before it came out it was so short, I know me and three friends did this, plus uk price was on par with physical at launch which is a plus when your wanting to go digital this gen.
Poor The Order
I was not a fan of the game but I had hoped for a sequel atleast.
As for GTA V, the combined figures become 14590k, which is a lot. Do we have any number for the best selling game in NPD?
Mario Kart Wii may be a bit higher than GTAIV but I trying to find accurate data for this.There may have been a bunch of bundled games on older consoles(like Wii sports) that sold 15+ million maybe even 20+ million in the US.
CoD Black Ops sold 16.4m until july 2012.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I wonder what RAD is doing now. I'm sure they already know what their status with Sony is going forward. The Order 1886 is one of the biggest flops I have ever witnessed. It took a while for Evolution to get gutted, but it happened.
The Order got what it deserved honestly. Sony should be quite ashamed for supporting a game so shallow it would feel dated even on the PS3. It's one thing to create a cinematic experience but it's completely another to ignore the innovations and experiences that paved the way for the sub-genre this past decade. For a dev that looks towards ND they have learnt absolutely nothing from them. And to top it off they couldn't even give their loyal supporters a proper conclusion to the story, a basic requirement for a new IP.
Good riddance.
They are independent so Sony can't do anything to them except not fund a sequel. And Sony would be dumb to fund a sequel when they can invest in better franchises past and present as well as support more new IP's.
Good riddance.
They are independent so Sony can't do anything to them except not fund a sequel. And Sony would be dumb to fund a sequel when they can invest in better franchises past and present as well as support more new IP's.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
They already had sequels, movies and merchandise planned.
I would mind them getting another chance and making it the Gears Of War clone it should have been.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I know they are independent. Sony can't downsize or close the studio, but if they don't give them any more funding it will probably have the same effect.
creamsugar
Member
Update for 1886:
Feb: 19x
LTD: 231
Feb: 19x
LTD: 231
Nightengale
Member
Even if The Order is dead as a franchise, it'd be foolish to not keep RAD on payroll.
For a new God of War after Barlog's.
For a new God of War after Barlog's.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Jesus. We need some European/UK numbers now.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
so 1xx was Type 0 HD then?
Nah. Sony needs to avoid Gow burn out if they want the franchise to return to its former glory.
Jesus. I just hope RAD will get away with only a few bruises ... Such a talented studio.
Was a talented studio. They lost all the good will in one fell swoop. They can pretty much never be trusted to create their own IP's, with Sony at least.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
You really think Sony would hand them the keys to one their best-selling and critically acclaimed IPs after The Order? They did good work on PSP, but I would be skeptical. And why wouldn't Barlog continue to make more GOW? He has done anything else nearly as successful? He came back for a reason.
Nightengale
Member
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Thats just stupid logic. I don't see the Order being a franchise now though.
You have no idea how big of a flop this IP is considering new engine from scratch, 5 years dev time and state of the art current gen visuals and motion capture. You can't rely on games you did 5 yeats ago based on an existing IP and template after your recent one is a mega bomba.
No new IP from SSM themself after the money sink that was Stig's new IP and restructuring of the studio. Expect GOW 4, 5, 6.
Combining this with "sub 40k" from John Harker, it means The Order sold between 191,000 and 199,000
Also, this makes things better for MH4U! Assuming 199,000 as max
290,000 = R1 + N1
N1 = 290,000 - R1 = 290,000 - 199,000 = 91,000
R2 = 91,000 - 12,000 = 79,000
MH4U LTD - 369,000 - minimum achieved (without second month's digital sales)
Nightengale
Member
Under a tighter scrutiny, strict design guidelines and a spin-off banner, yeah.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Pretty much. Maybe they get to try a new IP again on PS5.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why does GOW need another spin-off? Ascension was pretty much the low point of the franchise critically and commercially.
Took longer than 6 hours for me, and photomode imo.. Is my new game +
Nightengale
Member
Because half of the games in the GOW lineup are spinoffs?
It doesn't need one. I'm saying it's not unlikely.
Nightengale
Member
IT was apparently TPS Destiny with Dead Space UI.
Rationalise its value to yourself as much as you want, it still flopped.
TrouzzzerSnake
Banned
Wootwoot Bloodborne!
Also... does anyone else want Microsoft to go back to the "8 million hours played, 762 funs had..."? Their PR was so stark and barren this month... it was pretty disheartening.
Also... does anyone else want Microsoft to go back to the "8 million hours played, 762 funs had..."? Their PR was so stark and barren this month... it was pretty disheartening.
Orniletter
Banned
I still don't know why some keep repeating this.
They made one mediocre platformer, one meh GOW game, one good GOW game, a somewhat botched Wii port of a PS2 game and one absolutely dreadful game.
Doesn'tt scream overly talanted to me.
Some people really like Daxter, myself included.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I think they are talented, but their priorities were fucked when developing The Order. I think they learned a harsh lesson. Only question is whether they will get a a chance at redemption.
Orniletter
Banned
That was 9 years ago.
I don't want to derail this thread by dogpiling on RAD, but I legitimately dondon't know why some people hail them as this ultra talented studio that so happens to have some bad luck with the Order...
...when their track record is just "pretty ok" with a single standout title at best.
I really liked their PSP output including both GOW's and Daxter.
Just putting it as a counter to "one mediocre platformer." For me, Daxter and Ghost of Sparta are two of the best PSP games. Taking a view like that in mind, you should be able to see why some people think they are talented. I haven't played The Order, so I'm not going to comment on its quality.
That's great, but it was still a fun game, the people I let borrow it enjoyed it, it didn't sell millions, but... Eh..whatever
No, it's The Order.
I believe the LTDs doesn't includes special editions, so cream updated The Order.
Are you saying 1/3 of MH copies were digital? Also does this mean last month cream meant to put the order at less than 200k?
None of this makes sense because the order was definitely ahead of MH on the chart and I don't believe NPD counts special editions in with regular editions. So I guess the question is was the order above or below 200K last month how why would MH have such a high digital attach rate compared to other games.
Maybe because they don't have the same opinion as you on the studio? Crazy shit, right?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
They made one of the best GOW games.... On the PSP. In doing so they had excellent new additions to the combat and lore. All that with a relatively small studio
Pretty impressive
biglittleps
Member
You think they waste this 5 years of engine, game research and assets just because this game did not sell enough. I'm sure they invested this amount of time because they want this as a franchise(even sony too thats why they still market this game by adding Galahad in Super time ultra force, LBP costumes, PS4 cover plates, huge marketing it had for launch, bundles etc.,) which is why we did not have proper ending in this game, perhaps they spent so much time on game engine and world instead of focusing on content in their time to get it released even with a delay. I can see they can do this even better in sequel addressing the problems it had with 10+ hours content and multiplayer with less cinematic. This game problem was just did not have enough content, too much cinematic gameplay and no multiplayer for a $60 game in these days of multiplayer domination and users asking replayablity.
Nightengale
Member
This.
I enjoyed my time with The Order, but even from a design perspective, the fact that they removed dodge-roll and made it a QTE prompt against werewolves said everything that needs to be said about the design errors about the game.
Even at its core, there were many things in the game that could've been better had they just took a slightly different approach for each one. Unfortunately, a lot of those little things ended up being what I felt were poor design choices, and those little things compounded piece-by-piece into a whole experience.