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[ElFly]

No way a game having to sell 10 million copies to be profitable will be greenlit, also GT5: P subsidized GT5's production, more than likely.

I wonder if GT5 P won't end up damaging the game. I bet there were some people out there that got burned on paying for a demo, and simply won't double dip (I had to convince a friend that GT5 hadn't been released yet when he got his PS3 in september).

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Halo Reach caused a sales spike in September 5 years later.

Halo is huge in NA much more than GT as i said GT 5 might moves systems in EU.
After 4 years in NA where the game is on decline and the PS name it was not going to move any systems.

 

[EviLore]

No cash breakdown this time around? Wants to see some SW and accessories.

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone actually requesting the dollar sales figures. I would always take a bunch of time to format it nicely in code tags and it seemed to be completely ignored, so I stopped including it. I can bring it back if there's interest.

 

[MikeE21286]

I wonder if GT5 P won't end up damaging the game.

I'm sure it did to some extent. The idea of "Prologue" doesn't make sense. IIRC they didn't release most of the previous prologue versions in the US either?

 

[Mileena]

I don't even know how they could drop the price. $200 20GB Slim? yea right.

 

[FrankT]

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone actually requesting the dollar sales figures. I would always take a bunch of time to format it nicely in code tags and it seemed to be completely ignored, so I stopped including it. I can bring it back if there's interest.

Always. Thanks. I mean maybe I'm the only one interested in the dollar figures couldn't say.

I don't even know how they could drop the price. $200 20GB Slim? yea right.

Thinking at least $250 by next fall. You never know, they likely really want to get to $199 next year. Super slim? Ya never know. With BR players at $60 this fall surely they can do some magic by next.

 

[Boney]

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone actually requesting the dollar sales figures. I would always take a bunch of time to format it nicely in code tags and it seemed to be completely ignored, so I stopped including it. I can bring it back if there's interest.

I'd assume there is interest. Especially in the anemic state of today NPD. Personally, I'm curious, but not enough if it's a bother.

 

[Ashes]

I hope somebody leaks fable 3 and just dance 2 figures.

 

[jamesinclair]

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone actually requesting the dollar sales figures. I would always take a bunch of time to format it nicely in code tags and it seemed to be completely ignored, so I stopped including it. I can bring it back if there's interest.

It's not as fun to comment on, but it's interesting to read.

 

[szaromir]

Halo is huge in NA much more than GT as i said GT 5 might moves systems in EU.
After 4 years in NA where the game is on decline and the PS name it was not going to move any systems.

We only know it now that it's on decline. It's any publisher's job and goal to make people excited about the release, which obviously Sony failed at, expecially given the franchises potential. Which is being discussed.

 

[Sohter.Nura]

I think a big part of the story with previous GT titles was that the user base was bigger and kept growing with the consoles, didn't it? I'm not sure when the games got release, but what I'm saying is that I think GT5 will naturally sell less than the previous entries just because the growth of the Playstation is equivalent to other playstation consoles...

Only time will tell =P I'd love to eat crow on this one, though.

 

[LegoDad]

kinect is moving

Fable 3 is still up there. I'm surprise

Why are people so surprised it was on sale everywhere on black friday...

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

I'm soooooo curious to know how NBA Jam sold on the 360/PS3!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Why are people so surprised it was on sale everywhere on black friday...

So were a zillion other titles not currently in the NPD Top 10.

 

[GavinGT]

I'm hungry for more Kinect sales figures. It must be approaching 4 million by now.

I wonder if GT5 P won't end up damaging the game. I bet there were some people out there that got burned on paying for a demo, and simply won't double dip (I had to convince a friend that GT5 hadn't been released yet when he got his PS3 in september).

That's what they get for sticking "Prologue" at the end of the title and then not releasing a proper game for 2 years.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

For Gran Turismo, I expect the terribly botched release (last minute delay, then hurried into stores with minimal marketing) had everything to do with those low figures. The series has long long legs though, so it's too early to declare anything like a 'bomb' just yet. It's also a much more Eurasian-centric seller. The game is already profitable anyway thanks to Prologue, but yes, it could have been so much more if Sony just cracked that whip.

 

[chespace]

For Gran Turismo, I expect the terribly botched release (last minute delay, then hurried into stores with minimal marketing) had everything to do with those low figures. The series has long long legs though, so it's too early to declare anything like a 'bomb' just yet. It's also a much more Eurasian-centric seller. The game is already profitable anyway thanks to Prologue, but yes, it could have been so much more if Sony just cracked that whip.

And you know this how? Just curious how you've done the math.

 

[gogogow]

I'm sure it did to some extent. The idea of "Prologue" doesn't make sense. IIRC they didn't release most of the previous prologue versions in the US either?

There were no previous prologue versions , there was only one GT4 Prologue (before GT5P) and yes, it wasn't released in the US.

 

[RyanDG]

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone actually requesting the dollar sales figures. I would always take a bunch of time to format it nicely in code tags and it seemed to be completely ignored, so I stopped including it. I can bring it back if there's interest.

I'm interested in seeing it. Never really commented on it before so I guess I just took it for granted.

 

[szaromir]

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone actually requesting the dollar sales figures. I would always take a bunch of time to format it nicely in code tags and it seemed to be completely ignored, so I stopped including it. I can bring it back if there's interest.

I was wondering why they weren't included.

 

[ElFly]

I'm sure it did to some extent. The idea of "Prologue" doesn't make sense. IIRC they didn't release most of the previous prologue versions in the US either?

Nope, but there was a Prologue for 4 everywhere else. Also, there was a real Gran Turismo game out there when GT4P was released, and only one year between GT4P and the real thing.

GT4 also sold worse than GT3.

 

[Stripper13]

We only know it now that it's on decline. It's any publisher's job and goal to make people excited about the release, which obviously Sony failed at, expecially given the franchises potential. Which is being discussed.

This.

If I had posted last month that PS3 was going to massively decline from last year, and GT5 would sell less than DKC, or Fable in the same month - I'd be laughed right out of here (if not being seriously considered for a trolling ban). For the record - I did not think it would perform poorly at all.

Now however, we know that Sony fucked it up royally, and that GT5 (despite inevitable massive LTD figures) is not nearly as strong as some would expect (particularly given how late in the PS3's life it released - I was expecting it to be at least a little front-loaded).

 

[FateBreaker]

Bullshit. :lol

There's been a ton of PS3/Move/GT5 ads on TV, much more than Wii and 360.

I have to agree with this. I know we've heard some numbers--"hundreds of millions"--but I honestly have seen more PS3 commercials than Wii and 360 combined.

 

[Redbeard]

And you know this how? Just curious how you've done the math.

It's sold around 5 million, right? Assuming ~ $20 in profit, that's roughly $100 million

GT5's budget was reported to be at around $60 million

 

[FrankT]

Alright here we go;

Sales of software rose 4 percent to $1.46 billion, while sales of accessories that include Kinect and Sony’s Move motion- controller jumped 69 percent to $413.3 million.

60% that according to the OP is 360 so $248 million. Alright someone try to figure out the Kinect breakdown heh. Then Pachter needs to give us the bundle breakdown for a the real picture heh.

 

[AranhaHunter]

I'm still waiting to see if someone can point where there was a rumor of Ass Creed Bro doing 800k on 360.

60% that according to the OP is 360 so $248 million. Alright someone try to figure out the Kinect breakdown heh. Then if Pachter needs to give us the bundle breakdown for a the real picture heh.

Does that U$248 million include accessories that were bundled with the console or just standalones?

 

[FrankT]

I'm still waiting to see if someone can point where there was a rumor of Ass Creed Bro doing 800k on 360.

Early on in this thread.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

And you know this how? Just curious how you've done the math.

Well it might not cover all of it but GT5 budget was suppose to be 80 million .
GT5P sold 5 million even if some were bundle i would say they cover at least half the budget if i were low ball it .

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

And you know this how? Just curious how you've done the math.

It's just the general opinion. See above, math is not my strong point. I highly doubt Kaz went over the $60 million budget that people usually quote (then again, maybe he did lol).


Going forward, what I want to see is Polyphony Digital double, or even triple in size. Assassin's Creed has a team of over 400 on it at peak times, and look what that is getting Ubisoft - strong yearly sales, with no quality sacrifices. I can't see why PD can't do the same, because God knows their 30 or so car modellers aren't cutting the mustard.

 

[plufim]

This is not meant to be a comment about the sales numbers of GT5, but about something said over and over in this thread by some people erroneously:

GT5 has had FOUR days of sales, not three. The 24th, 25th, 26th and 27th are all included. Mathematics is not hard.

I know most people have this correct, but my god, even one person getting this wrong is worrying.

 

[chris0701]

If you really look back those sales figure of good racing titles on this generation,like Forza 3 and Dirt,you wouldn't think the GT5 sales will be unexpected.

 

[MikeE21286]

If you really look back those sales figure of good racing titles on this generation,like Forza 3 and Dirt,you wouldn't think the GT5 sales will be unexpected.

Is there a comparison of Forza 3/Forza 2 vs. GT5 month 1 floating around in here? That'd be interesting...

 

[CozMick]

For Gran Turismo, I expect the terribly botched release (last minute delay, then hurried into stores with minimal marketing) had everything to do with those low figures. The series has long long legs though, so it's too early to declare anything like a 'bomb' just yet. It's also a much more Eurasian-centric seller. The game is already profitable anyway thanks to Prologue, but yes, it could have been so much more if Sony just cracked that whip.

By my math and an estimated price of $30 (between price drops and rrp)

GT5 made in excess of $150,000,000 WW

And wasn't it estimated that GT5 cost $60,000,000 to develop (including Prologue?)

I could be so terribly wrong. :lol

 

[TOAO_Cyrus]

To publisher:

If you don't want your games to be portrayed as a failure, don't release it at the end of the month. The first month sale number will dictate the future perception of a product.

Sincerely Yours,
XX:lolx

---
Seriously, I think it is true. GT5 (and many other games that released at the end of month) will forever be remembered as a 'bomba' because of this.

The thing is GT5 was supposed to be the PS3's Halo. Halo: Reach sold 2 million in a day.

 

[user_nat]

Is there a comparison of Forza 3/Forza 2 vs. GT5 month 1 floating around in here? That'd be interesting...

Forza 3 - 175k
Forza 2 - over 200k I think.. can't be bothered checking.

GT5 - 400k

 

[asdad123]

I hope somebody leaks fable 3 and just dance 2 figures.

Just Dance 2 numbers will be great!

Spoiler

I bought two copies during amazon's sale :/

 

[AranhaHunter]

Early on in this thread.

Are you talking about this? If so, I was hoping for something a little better than that but thanks though.

 

[szaromir]

By my math and an estimated price of $30 (between price drops and rrp)

GT5 made in excess of $150,000,000 WW

And wasn't it estimated that GT5 cost $60,000,000 to develop (including Prologue?)

I could be so terribly wrong. :lol

You are.
Between bundles, shipping costs, retail margins etc.Sony's revenues from GT5P were much smaller.

 

[Patriotsbball5460]

It's just the general opinion. See above, math is not my strong point. I highly doubt Kaz went over the $60 million budget that people usually quote (then again, maybe he did lol).


Going forward, what I want to see is Polyphony Digital double, or even triple in size. Assassin's Creed has a team of over 400 on it at peak times, and look what that is getting Ubisoft - strong yearly sales, with no quality sacrifices. I can't see why PD can't do the same, because God knows their 30 or so car modellers aren't cutting the mustard.

According to Wikipedia it says they have 140 employees, so it's not as if they are small. With more people, their level of detail and overall consistent mindset of perfection could be deteriorated.

 

[FrankT]

I'm still waiting to see if someone can point where there was a rumor of Ass Creed Bro doing 800k on 360.



Does that U$248 million include accessories that were bundled with the console or just standalones?

Standalones. Well I think that is the case. Someone else with better knowledge may be able to comment further.

 

[CozMick]

You are.
Between bundles, shipping costs, retail margins etc.Sony's revenues from GT5P were much smaller.

:lol :lol thought so

But still in profit before GT5 even shipped?

 

[Ezduo]

Where's the PSP? So low they didn't bother reporting?

 

[mj1108]

Dear Sony,

Thanks for a great NPD thread.

Love,
GAF

 

[Stripper13]

If you really look back those sales figure of good racing titles on this generation,like Forza 3 and Dirt,you wouldn't think the GT5 sales will be unexpected.

The difference being that GT is Sony's biggest franchise, and despite not being a front-loaded franchise, always did good numbers. In comparison to their competitors offerings this month, it is lower than what many expected, or at the very least, what I thought it would do (or where it would chart).

 

[MikeE21286]

Forza 3 - 175k
Forza 2 - over 200k I think.. can't be bothered checking.

GT5 - 400k

Thanks, close enough...I guess at least GT5 has that...

 

[Patriotsbball5460]

This is not meant to be a comment about the sales numbers of GT5, but about something said over and over in this thread by some people erroneously:

GT5 has had FOUR days of sales, not three. The 24th, 25th, 26th and 27th are all included. Mathematics is not hard.

I know most people have this correct, but my god, even one person getting this wrong is worrying.

Well with thanksgiving, in reality it is pretty much 3 days. 90% of stores are not open on thanksgiving to buy it

Where's the PSP? So low they didn't bother reporting?

Sony doesn't release their figures, other outlets always reveal their numbers one way or another. Don't assume it to be very good

 

[Owzers]

Why are people so surprised it was on sale everywhere on black friday...

A lot of games were on sale for Black Friday...but they aren't all up there on the charts.

GT5 didn't do terrible, it's just the perception because it's so low on the charts and because PS3 hardware did do terrrrrrrrrible. Also because GT5 is a hype juggernaut but not a sales juggernaut.

Sony is outpriced and outfunned. Kinect/Arcade bundle and Wii/Wii Sports/New Super Mario Bros blew them out of the holiday's water.

 

[TheKaeptain]

This is not meant to be a comment about the sales numbers of GT5, but about something said over and over in this thread by some people erroneously:

GT5 has had FOUR days of sales, not three. The 24th, 25th, 26th and 27th are all included. Mathematics is not hard.

I know most people have this correct, but my god, even one person getting this wrong is worrying.

You don't count Thanksgiving.

The only places that is open is Wal-Mart.

 

[KingDizzi]

The thing is GT5 was supposed to be the PS3's Halo. Halo: Reach sold 2 million in a day.

It's Sony's Halo.........in Yurop. Of course in this thread I have found out that most of those are actually sales from bundles. http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html

:lol :lol GT5, still too many for my liking

Spoiler

until we get leaderboards

:lol :lol PS3, can't really say well deserved because I have really enjoyed the console this year
Just WOW at Black Ops and the 360, Wii but mainly at Black Ops. This month must be a nightmare for Sony, they must be sitting down saying "hey, at least it can't get any worse." :/

HOLY SHIT it was beaten by NFS:HP? Goddamn, maybe the $40 pricetag has something to do with it? It's been $40 since I can recall but that is only online as i'm in the UK, for those in the US is it full price in store? Is so HOLY FUCKING CRAP.

 

[Stoffinator]

You are.
Between bundles, shipping costs, retail margins etc.Sony's revenues from GT5P were much smaller.

But GT5P was also a Digital Download, could of sold a lot more through there too.