Thunder Monkey
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Moe defense force assemble!Kenka said:
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NPD Sales Results For November 2010 [Update 6: PSP, PS2, Move Games]
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Castle Doctrine
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Gadfly said:
..and now we can add LBP 2 to the delay parade. It would have been a solid holiday title, but instead it's releasing in January. January? What a disaster. Not to mention the Last Guardian taking waaaayy too long to develop. FF 14, another disaster. Agent? What an amazing exclusive to have for Sony. A Rockstar game. Nowhere to be found though.
I don't know where Sony would be without Naughty Dog, releasing amazing games on time. Things will smooth out again next year though in U.S I think, Sony has a great lineup.
This is the first time I've ever posted in an NPD thread (I think) and I just want to chime in and say that I think it's amazing how well the 360 has done. That team has been through a lot to get it to where it's at now and they deserve a round of applause.
As for GT5, people need to chill. The game probably won't bomb. Just had a shaky launch.
As for GT5, people need to chill. The game probably won't bomb. Just had a shaky launch.
Cosmonaut X
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Gadfly said:
Obviously not, but between the DS, Wii and now 3DS, Nintendo have been finding their way with online functionality and features.
Will they be able to bring something to the table that can compete with, say, Live or Steam in terms of depth or laser focus on the hardcore aspects of online gaming? Unlikely. Will they have a competent, fully-featured online service with a typical Nintendo quirkiness? I think so.
Thunder Monkey
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Panicking and riots are more entertaining though.SpacLock said:
Sometimes you even get to see someone get trampled.
*wags tail*
Does Japanese sales even matter anymore?
For people who aren't in Japan at least...because from what i see, sales there have zero impact on the games, exclusives, publisher alliances, peripherals releases etc that get or not released in Europe and U.S.
I don't even understand why people care. Heck Japanese developers are starting not to care...
For people who aren't in Japan at least...because from what i see, sales there have zero impact on the games, exclusives, publisher alliances, peripherals releases etc that get or not released in Europe and U.S.
I don't even understand why people care. Heck Japanese developers are starting not to care...
Have you ever considered that this may be an architectural issue that is too late or too hard to solve? i.e., even if they could do it, it could only work with new games written to a new library and API?TTP said:
I remember a few years ago altogetherandrew considered the lack of "restriction" on how on-line should be implemented in a PS3 game an advantage because it will give more freedom to game developers to do what they want. I always thought that argument is nonsense and will come back to hunt PS3 with games that (among other things) would not allow players to communicate while playing different games.
Thunder Monkey
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Not that I know of.tass0 said:
I know a few expected it to underperform... and well... here we are...
finalozzo said:
First numbers are not really what you can call a disappointment. The series is known for its legs. What is disappointing though is the quality of the game itself after having been hyped to Saturn's rings heigths. It's not bad, it's just more of the same. And this is precisely what may hinder its sales in the long run.
With that in mind, many gaffers predict that it will sell badly compared to former entries. But this has not been proven yet.
Remember, gaffers are notorious for their ass-sucking predictions. And Sony fans on the other hand overreacte like nuts, and lay hilarious arguments on the table. This is NPD summed up.
Kenka said:
I agree it´s way to early to call it a flop, but that it wasn´t an immediate system seller, at least for this November in USA is a fact. And looking at Japans performance (underwhelming first week and a large drop off to abot 60k its second week) I wouldn´t place any bets.
Zeouterlimits
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What about the EU?Laguna said:
I think GT5 is going to sell really well, but yes, underperform considering the length of development/anticipation/franchise history.
Snuggler said:haha, wow
it's funny that my system preference has gone from Dreamcast -> Cube -> PS3
I'm a fuckin curse...whatever I like most will fail
Look on the bright side - each one is less of a failure than the one before it. You have positive momentum going into next gen.
Redbeard said:
Utter nonsense - that marketing promotes awareness it doesn't switch on a "buy" button. Kinects adoption is its new approach to gaming and its marketing only draws attention to that strength. Kinect still needs to prove itself to the consumer . You have egg on your face, you'll have more in coming months.
test_account
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Does anyone have the LTD for each system in US for this console generation?
soundscream
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Truespeed said:
Your calculator is as broken as your logic. He took a different job within Microsoft at 343 industries. There were no reductions at turn 10.
Nuclear Muffin
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miladesn said:
Damn, that's just brutal. Really puts things into perspective.
miladesn said:
Wow, unexpected surprise here. Not bad at all
What I really want to see are numbers for Kirby's Epic Yarn, Dance Central, Wii Party, Goldeneye, COD BO Wii and NBA Jam 360/PS3. (and of course Kinect hardware, but I know that we're never gonna get that
)Also, just as an aside. Did we ever get any numbers for Super Scribblenauts? I can't remember if we got anything or not.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
The Wii sales are deserved. DKCR is the best exclusive to be released this holiday season IMO and there are other exclusives like Kirby, Sonic, Mickey, etc to help bolster the lineup this year.
The PS3 sales are pathetic. I know that Sony's holiday lineup isn't the greatest....hell it's one of the worst in terms of number of worthwhile exclusives released that I can ever remember them having...but 500k? They really botched the 2nd half of this year IMO. I speculated last month that it might be time for a PS3 price drop and looking at these sales I'm now convinced. The 360 has always outsold them when the price gap was $100+ which it has been since the 4GB S model was released. It might be time for Sony to release a $199 model of their own or just drop the regular model to $199. They are probably selling the PS3 for a decent profit at $299 at this point.
The marketing push in the US has been insane. Kinect has been everywhere the past 2 months. Honestly the only thing I can remember in recent years that has rivaled it is the Wii launch. I actually think there is more awareness about Kinect than the 360 and PS3 had at this same point in their launches.
The PS3 sales are pathetic. I know that Sony's holiday lineup isn't the greatest....hell it's one of the worst in terms of number of worthwhile exclusives released that I can ever remember them having...but 500k? They really botched the 2nd half of this year IMO. I speculated last month that it might be time for a PS3 price drop and looking at these sales I'm now convinced. The 360 has always outsold them when the price gap was $100+ which it has been since the 4GB S model was released. It might be time for Sony to release a $199 model of their own or just drop the regular model to $199. They are probably selling the PS3 for a decent profit at $299 at this point.
Prine said:
The marketing push in the US has been insane. Kinect has been everywhere the past 2 months. Honestly the only thing I can remember in recent years that has rivaled it is the Wii launch. I actually think there is more awareness about Kinect than the 360 and PS3 had at this same point in their launches.
Square Triangle
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It's worth noting that GT5 came out with only 6 days left in November. But haters are gonna hate.
However, holy shit at the numbers for the three consoles. Sony needs to learn that releasing an actual Holiday bundle is worth it. Stop with the black friday only shit.
However, holy shit at the numbers for the three consoles. Sony needs to learn that releasing an actual Holiday bundle is worth it. Stop with the black friday only shit.
Windom Earle
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Alright numbers for DKCR I guess? Now hoping for long legs!
Baron Aloha said:
SCEA should just eat their pride and admit that in the US they're facing huge competition and they can't afford to be the most expensive thing on the market, hence they need to be particularly aggressive in that region.
299 worked for Europe, but clearly they needed to drop to 250$ this year even if just in the US, with the fact the hardware has been profitable at 299$ since April and an other hardware revision has been released since then they could have afforded to do it in a single region.
Of course next year with the amazing lineup they have and further revisions to cut costs it would be madness not to finally reach a mass market price.....fifth year in the life cycle, a bit late but better than never.
Opus Angelorum
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Baron Aloha said:
As of February this year, they were losing $18 for every $299 PS3 Slim sold in the US.
Sony is probably more concerned with making money than outselling the 360. They lost already a ton of money this gen, i cant see them dropping the price just to outsell competition when they would make less money at the end.
btw. So the PSP is really dead, i mean November you would at least expect sales above 200-300K ? If so they better soon have their psp 2 ready.
btw. So the PSP is really dead, i mean November you would at least expect sales above 200-300K ? If so they better soon have their psp 2 ready.
Nope.marc^o^ said:
Opus Angelorum said:
Sony stated publicly thay have been selling PS3 hardware at a profit at 299$ since April.
And in September an other hardware revision was released which increased that profit margin by cutting down costs again, a saving which was not passed to consumers (bad decision in the US).
I don't think they care about that, it's not about outselling the competition, it's about keeping a growth pattern, increasing the installed base so that software sales (where they make the money) can skyrocket as well. And of course selling more units helps to cut manufacturing costs too. Most of the sales for consoles are made when the price is under 200$ and that is true for every system.
There's no way PSP sold more than 200k in November with the PS3 at 530k. I guess the number falls short of 200k and yes PSP 2 is almost ready and PSP need a price cut to 129$.......Sony and its prices :lol :lol
Square Triangle
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cw_sasuke said:
From a retail standpoint, my store has sold bajillions of the Invizimals and Ghost of Sparta bundles.
lawblob said:
Both as well as MS bundling the Kinect WITH a system for $299. Their Move bundle- while a good deal is still too expensive.
Opus Angelorum
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Elios83 said:
Indeed.
They hoped to reduce manufacturing costs 15% by March 2011 so even though it may be profitable, it can't be very much.
My point is, all those asking for a price drop will be disappointed. It's not going to happen within the next 8 months, at least.
teruterubozu
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lawblob said:
The Move golfing commercial might as well have been a Wii commercial.
RurouniZel
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Did I miss any Sonic Color numbers while I was asleep?
lawblob said:
Imo it's clear that 360 has eaten into potential PS3 sales for the month which means that there were probably many people that were undecided between the two systems and ended up buying the 360 because it was the cheaper place to play Black Ops and an other group for Kinect. PS3 was not competitive price wise, had no big exclusive title excluding GT5 which came too late in the month with the last minute delay debacle, Move had just the 400$ bundle and no new killer application released to renew interest around it, the peripheral is still stucked at Sports Champions. And Sony marketing sucks, they can't create hype around their products.
Opus Angelorum said:
It definetly won't happen until E3 at the earliest. But it's clear that next year they will find a way to be at 199$ in time for next fall.
That's why I'm surprised MS don't cut their price right now. It's generally accepted MS could cut to at least $249 and remain profitable, and if they did, they'd put Sony a real tough spot. Would Sony cut the price and start losing money again, or would Sony hold and see the gap they've worked so hard to close probably start widening again?Opus Angelorum said:
The good thing for Sony though is that the longer MS don't cut the price, the more time they're giving Sony to keep working on cutting the manufacturing cost of the PS3.
Aika'svyse
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Anybody know who the woman is in offshores avatar?