Captain Smoker
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The good ol' Nintendo goes 3rd party discussion.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2013 [Up2: 3DS, 360, Pokemon Combined, GTAV]
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Deleted member 125677
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3DS just outsold everything else combined. Should go third party.
Captain Smoker
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The worst part is that people are absolutely naive when talking about this topic.
Going 3rd party like Sega involves a process of total bankruptcy and total restructure, it's not like they are going to be the same company, just publishing their games on other platforms.
CoffeeGames
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I don't advocate the 3rd party idea, or even going multi-platform. And while I'm really glad to see the 3DS/2DS did so well in October (what will happen this month?!), I find their lack of efforts with the Wii U so far, really pathetic.
I own a Wii U. I think it's an awesome system (the Off-TV Play is my favorite feature). I just don't understand how a billion dollar corporation, has failed to effectively market/advertise their newest home console in their most important market.
James Sawyer Ford
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Looking like Nintendo is going to have to merge their handheld and console into one device next gen.
Too much effort being spent on a device that doesn't appear to be viable...better to use their studio resources for one device instead.
Too much effort being spent on a device that doesn't appear to be viable...better to use their studio resources for one device instead.
creamsugar
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Party U < Batman U, I'm not kidding.
TW101 LTD < 25k
TW101 LTD < 25k
michaelius
Banned
You are kidding yourself if you think handheld market won't shrink further in next generations.
Competition from phones and tablets is only going to grow as the games on them mature.
I'd be willing to believe either story, mostly because they make me laugh. And slightly because the real explanation is too depressing to think about.
These are interesting impressions actually. It's so easy to get caught in this hardcore gamer feedback loop; since we're constantly "in the know," we lose sight of what the Average Joe knows or doesn't know. I think Nintendo has a real problem getting its message out there to the general consumer.
I have no idea what to make of this without knowing general numbers. Besides "bad," of course, since we already know that.
shinra-bansho
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Doesn't help that much without Batman U.
Although, I guess John Harker's comment that both are under 10K. Party audience gone.
Setting aside the third party discussion, the 3DS - even with the launch of the budget 2DS and Pokemon, arguably the largest franchise the system will have - combined with the remaining NDS sales, still have TTM annualized sales rate well below Nintendo's historical norm.
michaelius
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Freezie KO
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Excellent news.
Captain Smoker
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We should reach market saturation of smartphones in the next few years (in the west), probably before the next Nintendo handheld is released, the smartphone/tablet market can't grow to infinity.
And the 3DS still sells 35.000.000 in the biggest hype-time of smartphone/tablets. (in the first two years)
The more important markets for smartphones are going to be China / India in the future, but Nintendo handhelds never relied on these markets.
creamsugar
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Batman < 650k
PS3 + 360 = 98.2%
WiiU = 1.8%
PS3 + 360 = 98.2%
WiiU = 1.8%
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Well, again, we can't pretend smartphones and tablets didn't happen. Nevertheless, in this new landscape, 3DS seems to have found a sustainable level of sales. Which I find quite impressive, all things considered.
Opus Angelorum
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1.8%? Damn
Captain Smoker
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The game should probably end up 60.000 - 100.000 LTD, first month isn't that important.
Though, numbers are bad for the first month.
shinra-bansho
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So Batman Wii U < 6.5K 11.7K, and Wii Party U even less than that. EDIT: oh for some reason I read 1%
Just Dance 2014 not charting.
Anyone still doubting that the "casual" audience have dissipated?
Just Dance 2014 not charting.
Anyone still doubting that the "casual" audience have dissipated?
i tried looking for it, but i could only find it in gamestop. wii u games aren't on wii u section display shelves anymore if the retailer even carries them.
And the more kids with a 3DS, the more kids are likely to want a 3DS. Its entering its virtuous circle phase.
Zelda and Bravery Default should also open sales to an adult, old school gamers audience.
Good times ahead.
Metal Gear?!
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Wait, where exactly are they (Lego, Sega) going to go? I'm sure they're selling more on PS360 each but is that enough? Why cut the Wii U out of the porting?
Unless you mean there's no reason to make Wii U exclusives like Sonic Lost World and presumably Lego City Undercover? Then yes, that should be obvious. If we don't get any more of them that would answer it.
While ditching the gamepad is looking more and more attractive if they can't get that cost down (so far the answer appears to be no), I'm not sure what message that would send if they were just another black box with a 360-looking controller. Wouldn't that just completely fail to distinguish them from their cheaper competition at all? Or are you saying that Mario Kart 8 + 3D World should be enough to finally distinguish them on software alone?
I think we need to separate the "Wii U is a horrible sales failure of a console" talk (which is truthfact) from the "Nintendo will go third party" talk (which is lol and should be laughed out of this thread).
Well that just makes it more likely that...
Captain Smoker
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pieatorium
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based on?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
So sub 11k for Wii Party U.
Wii _____ audience coming back in droves any millennia now.
Wii _____ audience coming back in droves any millennia now.
michaelius
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creamsugar
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AC4 U = 1% total
Captain Smoker
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The numbers of Arkham City Wii U.
Sega finally saves the Sonic franchise with Generations and then the series fucking dies
I want to buy a WiiU for Mario and the 2014 games, but I'm really worried that with these historically bad numbers and the total lack of marketing for the WiiU this year that Nintendo has already written it off and will release a new system in 2015...
The franchise isn't dead, Appearing on a dead platform is the issue. If the next Sonic game (that probably won't even bother having a WiiU version) flops then they might downgrade Sonic to 2D budget Digital games. It's not like Sonic and the Black Knight sold well either.
But seriously Sega needs to nail down the Sonic formula and also stop releasing a different 'Sonic: _____' every iteration. I guarantee you that Lost World even begin labeled Sonic Colors 2 would have helped sales.
They really need to start creating numbered sequels again.
similar deal to batman.
i did see target carry cod wii u, and they sold out of what little stock they had. best buy has wii u games in stock, but you have to print out a receipt and take it to customer service for them to retrieve it from the back room.
michaelius
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It sold like half of Sonic 2006, at best. Sure it still 'sold' but it was the lowest seller, at least from the data I have seen.
I think it's an absurd notion to pin the failure of Lost World on the IP itself when we're seeing other (much larger) third party games selling nothing on the platform as well.
The appeal of the platform is so niche that it's not even nabbing up as many of the traditional the 'Nintendo fans', so seeing the pool of 'Nintendo fans who also buy Sonic' shrink to nothing isn't super surprising to me. It's not like Lost World is Black Knight/06/Secret Rings level of bad, and in certainly didn't have that buzz going in. The WiiU platform is just completely Toxic for anything that isn't the corest of core Nintendo products.
They could just start by bringing some brand continuity back like they had during the Sonic Adventure days. Making a Sonic Generations 2 or Colors 2 would be a good move. If Sega decides to make another Sonic on the WiiU/3DS, it should probably just be as yet another version of the title they're developing on the PS3/Xbox 360/PS4/ONE or some strictly 2D retro affair that isn't Sonic 4 levels of unfaithful.
Smiles and Cries
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Yeah....
Don't think the Wii U will be getting any 3rd party support after this holiday season. :\
shinra-bansho
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I'm pretty sure he's asking upon what basis Wii Party U with a less than 12K opening will do 100K LTD.
metalslimer
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So Ubisoft support is dead along with Warner now. Also I echo the sentiment that I'm glad Wii Party U bombed. Hopefully Nintendo takes the hint that they've wasted a ton of dev resources on this and go for something new. Everyone besides Nintendo (and some fans I guess) saw the writing on the wall
Wii Party U/Wii Fit U/Wii Sports should be bundled into the system digitally as free apps.
Wii Party U/Wii Fit U/Wii Sports should be bundled into the system digitally as free apps.
wonder what Kamiya is working on right now
Wasn't he trying to become Nintendo first party? That's a bad sign
Captain Smoker
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Me quoting and talking about Batman sales: "The game should probably end up 60.000 - 100.000 LTD, first month isn't that important."
He: "based on?"
Me: "The numbers of Arkham City Wii U"
I never talked about Wii Party U, which could sell 100.000 LTD to boot.
Co sign. These type of games bombing are the only way Nintendo will wake up and realise that it not 2006/2007 anymore.
Remember all the shit EA got for pulling support for wii u. One look at how Ubisoft/Warner games have performed makes EAs decision right.
Mind citing sources? Because that's way off of what I saw. Also are you citing NA only or WW?
As of right now, the #1 reason to buy a Wii U would be the first party content. One of the biggest reasons not to buy a Wii U (along with brand image, competition, lack of 3rd party support etc etc) is obviously price. Meanwhile, the GamePad seems to have pretty low appeal to most consumers right now. That could change with some future software (Zelda U is the only potentially GamePad-centric game that comes to mind), but as of now, the benefit of significantly dropping the entry price would be greater than the benefit of losing uniqueness. But you're right, Nintendo wouldn't like looking the same as the other consoles.
metalslimer
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At this point I think dropping the gamepad in an SKU ala 2DS is probably a wise course of action to get that price down to 199 as fast as possible. But, honestly it will probably introduce an entire new layer of confusion and Nintendo will have to start selling the Gamepad separately and who the hell wants to carry a bunch of those things. They would probably sell worse than the uPAd. They have yet to show a core game that has it integral to the game. Maybe Zelda was the game where that would be the case, but at best that game is 1-2 years off.
i don't but my sources might.
if you want a clearer picture, it goes a little something like this among console releases for sonic this gen. just talking us here.
1. secret rings
2. unleashed wii
3. colors
4. 06 360
5. 06 ps3
6. black knight
7. unleashed 360
8. unleashed ps3
9. generations 360
10. generations ps3
06 and secret rings sold really well because they were really early in the lifespan of each system. other games didn't sell that well on the ps3 and 360 because there was no fanbase for them, still isn't, and may never be.