Yep, it started off as a shit thread and almost everyone evacuated. But then in the darkness, our hero, NPD_George gave us numbers with accuracy we have never seen before. Then the thread was revitalized and had some decent discussions, even some salty posters. And today, the prodigal son returns with pies. But I have to admit, I'm not a big fan of the JRPG talk going on right now.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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DarkLordMalik
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If user base was a factor, all franchise would have faced increased sales going from one entry to the next. But it doesn't happen for every one of them, infact some of them decline despite a bigger user base. It doesn't undermine the user base but it is not exactly a big factor here either.
DQIX was outsold by DQVIII, which was released on PS2.
It performed w.r.t to what it did historically. That is fine in my book.
Some people are using these numbers to blame the platform, which is rather stupid.
Why is this surprising when they had no lofty expectations themselves. They also have other plans judging from the release of DQH on Steam. So there's that.
If DQXI did similar numbers, then it is entirely different story.
WordsintheWater
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EDIT: Post was meant for the PAL charts thread
Pennywise83
Banned
Poor? From what I've seen, it's inline with DS DQ remakes and One Piece Warrior (IIRC) which are the closest thing we can compare this spinoff (not that I am saying these are good figures mind you).
I think it is unfair to judge the PS4 japanese sales based on DQ spinoff. And if we are comparing MH4U, we should compare that to Bloodbourne which maybe around 400-500k (someone has updated figure on this?) in NA.
D5 on the other hand is kind of sad. I love this series, I hope it did good digital which I kind of doubt
"inline with DS DQ remakes and One Piece Warrior" = poor. SQEX decided to ditch DQ IP in the West because of DQ remakes sales - mind you, they were quite smaller projects with respect to DQ Heroes, and surely way less advertised.
I also feel Bloodborne doesn't necessarily fit into the "Japanese game bought by Japanese game lovers" category - it was advertised as a primary first-party IP, and is brutal and mature-themed action, which surely fits well the current PS4 audience.
I also feel Bloodborne doesn't necessarily fit into the "Japanese game bought by Japanese game lovers" category - it was advertised as a primary first-party IP, and is brutal and mature-themed action, which surely fits well the current PS4 audience (more in line with Resident Evil, for example, than Disgaea).
Zestiria sold ok - even though the first Tales of game on platforms like 360 and Wii debuted way better.
As for P5 & co. - I don't feel they will bomb. After all, big IPs should be safe, because they are able to catch a wider audience. Not expecting KH3 to replicate PS2 numbers, of course.
People are buying a platform also considering the perspective of future games - that's how, for example, sold PS2 in the first year and a half: before the heavy hitters came, audience was already there.
You think SQEX would have expected more since they started to publish DQ by themselves again in Western countries.
Yeah, DQ remakes results on DS were't that good to begin with unfortunately (hopefully, DQVII-DQVIII will obtain to sell better, but I fear they won't sell that much better; prove me wrong 3DS JRPG lovers!), and DQH sales are on the low level of what done by the remakes. I know it's a different genre (action-Musou-RPG v.s. JRPG), but it's still on the low side. I think 50,000-60,000 (retail only) would've been a more convincing result.
Tales of Zestiria sold better than Xillia 2, worse than Xillia and Graces in its first month. It's also PS4/PS3, and the PS4 SKU was made specifically for the West (no Japanese release in sight). I'd say more in between good and bad?
Disgaea 5 numbers are lower than the others, but they should be decent for the franchise. This one did well by itself.
Tales of Zestiria sold better than Xillia 2, worse than Xillia and Graces in its first month. It's also PS4/PS3, and the PS4 SKU was made specifically for the West (no Japanese release in sight). I'd say more in between good and bad?
Disgaea 5 numbers are lower than the others, but they should be decent for the franchise. This one did well by itself.
Unknown One
Member
Poor Disgaea 5, such a great game. I hope NIS start releasing it on Steam or something.
Oh my. MS still don't seem to have a grasp of the market do they? Whatever happened around the late 360 era and early One era really has lost them an edge they once had. They just don't seem to be able to set out a strategy of tactic other than thankfully having good third party relations.
Obliterator
Member
On the positive side Fallout is gigantic up. COD is showing impressive legs in both Japan and the UK which means more than likely the same is happening in the US and Battlefront is about to hit.
So not all bad news
On the positive side Fallout is gigantic up. COD is showing impressive legs in both Japan and the UK which means more than likely the same is happening in the US and Battlefront is about to hit.
So not all bad news
COD is still on the lower side of the franchise, though, and a good part of those "impressive legs" can be attributed to a Friday release v.s. a Tuesday release. It still had better legs than what I thought by factoring in the different release days, so it's not all negative, and doing on par with Advanced Warfare's first two weeks is by no mean awful. But it's not that great either. It should perform slightly better than AW in the following weeks, I suppose, since, again, the second week drop was softer than I anticipated, meaning that it could have more strength as time goes by.
Fallout 4 is fucking gigantic indeed, though.
Zestiria sold better than Xilia2 really struck me. It's like exactly reverse of how game was received in Japan lol.
Well at least if Zestiria could actually sell better than Xilia 2 then there may be a market for JRPG after all (I said maybe).
Imru al-Qays
Banned
I only got to the mid-60s so apologies if this has been answered, but:
Why did NPD_George become NDP_Mulcair?
Why did NPD_George become NDP_Mulcair?
Obliterator
Member
If Black Ops 3 was on sale as many days it would be above both AW and Ghosts. Its already above Ghosts.
And Activision already confirmed digital buy rate is 2x at launch what AW was.
Its outperforming the last 2 by a good sized margin
it is quite impressive when you put into context ps4 increased their projected shipping numbers for the current quarter. the hardware sales is not coming from NA. if NA is contracting, PS brand is safe because the rest of the world sales pulling in the $$$$
Obliterator
Member
NA isnt really contracting. PS4 should be up largely over November 2014. If its not given the deals, bundles, and games something is very wrong
I don't think Xillia 2 did all well, but I could be wrong.
slavesnyder
Member
Not so sure here. If the info that maps DLCs arrive first on PS4 spreads, it could even take it software-wise.
Same here with Battlefront. Is there anything worthy content-wise that comes first or exclusively to PS4? Otherwise I agree.
Xillia 2 entered bomba bins from first days.
It is very interesting to me that PS4 shipments surpassed most of our expectations in Q2 and Q3 2015 despite selling only relatively mediocre numbers in the US compared to previous US market leaders. I think Europe and developing countries are contributing more to the PS4's sales than we thought.
Obliterator
Member
Does anyone happen to have November Advanced Warfare NPD numbers?
Well they sure have shipped a lot to stuff retail channels, to get prepared for holiday season. However I also think the main strength of PS4, if not the strongest one, is (relatively) universal appeal to various markets worldwide. Same goes to PC market & mobile fronts too.
gundamkyoukai
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TOZ also had PC version this time but you can't really tell much from that since the numbers WW.
Yes because there are other factors in play as well. Such as atrophy of the original fan base or a bad product, etc.
My statement was one of simple probability theory. All things remaining constant otherwise, you'd expect growth with more people to potentially sell to. This, however, does not mean that all things will remain the same and that growth is guaranteed.
DS piracy era. Its basically impossible to determine how well DQIX could have performed had it not been in one of the industry's most crippling periods of piracy.
Those were all ports, they did badly. This is a spin-off, it also did badly. It isn't fine. The last time numbers like this were "fine" for off-shoot products, SE ran away.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Disgaea 5 seems to be a success
Never expected ToZ to match the series' high of ToX. Still decent numbers for the first Tales on PS4.
SE already made bank by shipping 1 million in JP+Asia. For a DQ spin off, even disregarding the West, thats a fantastic result.
Well this puts into perspective how small the DQ franchise is. Remakes of mainline games on a system as popular as the DS resulted in such low numbers.
Being the first DQ game in the West, on a new platform, especially considering that this is a Musou spin off, DQH seems to have done relatively fine.
SE really should of marketed it better though. There was no marketing.
Yup. This puts into perspective how small the Musou game appeal is in the West.
DarkLordMalik
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Lets not jump to conclusions that DQH sales will stop SE's plan to revitalize the series in the West.
So stop trying to use it to judge sales?
They were remakes not "ports".
Are SE running away now? All this discussion is meaningless if DQH 2 is announced for the West.
slavesnyder
Member
Were there even 3DS sold?
No numbers anywhere. Or did I miss something?
No numbers anywhere. Or did I miss something?
Pennywise83
Banned
DQIX still sold more than VIII in Western territories, IIRC. It sold quite well in Europe.
I never said that. I just said that SQEX stopped publishing DQ titles when Western sales were slightly better than DQ Heroes ones - so it cannot be a "fine result". Then there are other factors to account for, such as SQEX hope of finding a RPG audience on PS4.
I never said that. I just said that SQEX stopped publishing DQ titles when Western sales were slightly better than DQ Heroes ones - so it cannot be a "fine result". Then there are other factors to account for, such as SQEX hope of finding a RPG audience on PS4.
What I said is relevant only for the ceiling of sales, not the floor. It is still of value to compare even with stifled performance, it is simply impossible to tell how much better it could have performed. This does not, somehow, make its performance unusable in comparisons.
In the instance where I used it (comparison to Tales, comparison between titles), it was perfectly valid. Disregarding data is but a fallacy of omission.
A question that cannot be answered. It also took more than one failure to cause SE to withdraw last time, so placing this question now and here is a matter of avoiding the issue/diversion from the issue of the sales still being bad.
disgaea 5's numbers are pretty solid. we'll see disgaea on steam soon, but they won't jump in with disgaea 5.
I agree that Sony shipped more units to prepare for the price drop and holiday season. However, I don't think they shipped to the point of overshipping. I don't think there are more than 1.5 million PS4's sitting in stores, so the sales are definitely pretty strong in some areas.
DarkLordMalik
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DQVIII sales are for NPD. Atleast that's what I assumed from Anihawk's post. He/she might have access to the numbers so who knows.
If the results for this month have showed us anything, it is that there is a JRPG audience on PS4. So I don't see how you have arrived to the conclusion that SE should be worried about it? I am sure their upcoming games like SO5, FFXV and KH will do just fine on the platform.
It is obvious they are thinking about multiplatform now. DQH is for PC including PS4. DQ remakes were exclusive to a single platform which definitely hurt its sales potential. I am not seeing the series being exclusive to a platform in the near future. The age of it being Nintendo exclusive is long gone now, and along with it, hopefully SE has no issues with localization since it will be on multiple platforms.
Rhazer Fusion
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Wait, I thought I heard Halo 5 sold(shipped?) approximately 6,600,000 units world wide? I knew the was way too high and was extremely skeptical, but am I reading under 1 million?
Wait I hadn't heart that number before. Where did you hear about that?
(Maybe dividing the sell-in money by unit cost?)
How so?
So, Halo 5 bundle didn't "helped" ( i heard otherwise ) to beat PS4. What is the reason then?
AnthonypUK
Member
you got fooled by microsofts PR on halo, i'm guessing your 6.6 came from the touted $400million revenue for halo which included hardware and accessories, and probably halo figures
TBiddy
Member
I honestly thought everyone knew that was the case.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Your logic is poor considering you are comparing a remake DQ mainline title to a spin off DQ Musou game.
DQH is not going to stop SE. Its already a success story for them. The only title that could do that is DQ11 bombing which I highly doubt is going to happen.
Also comparing a game with extensive voice work to one with none. Then again it probably didn't have quite as much text.
Also of note: Dragon Quest was only Nintendo exclusive for one generation and when the Ds games were released the last two mainline games had been PlayStation games.
Pennywise83
Banned
I like how before it was "DQ Heroes is an actionRPG, not a Musou!" and now it's "DQ Heroes is a Musou, not an actionRPG!".
The jRPG audience on PS4 might be too niche to sustain games such as DQXI and SO5. Please also note that SQEX has also Nier 2, Dissidia, Tetsuna, perhaps even some Mana and Fron Mission - so the audience should be stronger than that to make them sustainable projects. FFXV and KH3 will be fine because they have mass-market appeal.
Also, Tales of Zestiria numbers are not that pretty looking at how Vesperia debuted on 360 and Symponia 1.5 debuted on Wii.
Depends on how much you think Europe and developing countries contribute to the PS4's sales, I guess. Generally, it's estimated that the US contributes about 36% of PS4's sales, but I think recently, the percentage dropped even further.
Ur right because there wasn't one single person who bought the $350 XB1 bundle + $60 Halo 5 for a total of $410 instead of buying the $500 Halo 5 bundle
Not anybody would bother to want to save $90
Edit: Bgamer was trying to say Halo the game is why XB1 had more sales, not the bundle
Retail-wise, we can't forget how Ghosts sales were more spread between launch and the Holidays due to PS4 and One launches. Thus, the first two weeks aren't exactly the best indicators for it. It's a phenomenon we've seen with all major end-of-the-year multiplatform titles in 2013, I'm going to edit my post in the PAL thread to highlight that.
It's true that digital sales are increasing and they will help against AW, you're right. Still, it's not enough to recoup the massive decline COD saw compared to the past entries. Of course, without considering the franchise, these are still big sales for a game.
DarkLordMalik
Member
You are still trying to downplay the sales figure yet you are conveniently forgetting the fact that there were not 1 but 3 JRPGs released in this month. Two of them still sold well and DQH sold as it did historically, even if it was a bad result.
ToZ result is actually pretty good since it is better than ToX 2, and especially since ToZ is the first Tales of game that was multiplatform. It launched on PC same day and date as PS3/4 and yet did these numbers. Combined on PC/PS3/PS4, the debut for the series might be easily higher than Symphonia and Vesperia.
GloriousBagel
Banned
Disgaea 5 simply launched at the wrong time unfortunately.
Honestly, I believe last quarter's shipments were way too large to think that a bigger relevance of US sales could explain it: Sony shipped lots of units to be prepared for the price cut (in US, it happened a few days after September 30th 2015, thus they should have started shipping units already). Even in extremely optimistic hypotesis, I think there were at least 1 million units out of the 4 millions shipped unsold on shelves (I'd say more around 1.5 - near 2 millions).
leatherhat
Member
Sales for ToZ/D5 are solid, DH a bit disappointing. Doesn't help they were all competing for the same audience.
Pennywise83
Banned
"Two of them still sold well" - We don't agree on this, but still. The hope of those publishers is to at least retain the sales they had on PS3 (e.g. Namco Bandai with Tales of), not to post lower sales (I don't know how much previous Disgaea games sold in NA but the first 2 on PS2 sold quite well) also considering the fact that the market is shrinking and PS4 seems the only platform where it makes sense to develop retail releases as time goes by - are those Zestiria sales PS3+PS4? If so, yikes at what the PS4 might have sold. Symphonia 1.5 on Wii did 96k units; Vesperia around that number.
No company had no expectations there. All company would always wanted its game to do gangbusters. And dqh is also seen as the first dq to return to sony platform after wii and ds era so, there are possibilities that the expectation should not be to do worst than ds remake.
I dont think it is such a bad comparison here.
While the remake is turn base like its original, it is still remake and lack that shiny/new product pull.
Dqh on the other hand while may alienate its hardcore turn base fans, it still had that new product pull,being action jrpg rather than normal musou being its marketing slogan and also some fan boys hype for the first Dq to return to sony platform.
I feel both had their own advantage and disadvantages that makes them comparable.
One only needs to bring up all your past post defending low sales of niche Japanese games on 3DS every NPD thread due to them being in line with past sales in the series to know your only problem with DQH sales is that it's associated with a Sony console.
You and pennywise83 are amazing and very predictable.