Chobel
Member
1) Wat?
2) I mean even you were disappointed in Halo 5 sales.
3) (a) Not even close (b) What word of mouth?
4) It sure is, Xbox and PS are basically fighting for the same audience.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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1) Wat?
2) I mean even you were disappointed in Halo 5 sales.
3) (a) Not even close (b) What word of mouth?
4) It sure is, Xbox and PS are basically fighting for the same audience.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
huh? how am I being defensive?
He had opinion, I had opinion. I found his claim ridiculous so I said why.
I don't think it will be down YOY. And I explained why. But if you disagree? than okay I guess.
I don't really get this. Unity was shitty game all around, bad press and all. TROTR has been getting good word of mouth, everyone who has played it think its awesome. Reviews are awesome. MC score is awesome. Just go into the TR OT on GAF.
You're free to disagree as much as anyone else, but at least make some reasonable claims to back it up. Welfare disagreed that the XB1 will be down YOY as well, but at least he came up with some debatable statements, although I don't really agree with them. Halo 5 is not gonna be moving many consoles in November, period. It didn't in its launch month, it won't in a month with bigger AAA games. As for Rise of the Tomb Raider, well, if you use that as evidence that the XB1 will be up YOY, no one will take you seriously. If you think Tomb Raider is nearly as big as Assassin's Creed in the US, you're delusional. Furthermore, it wasn't Unity that boosted XB1 sales alone. It was mostly down to Microsoft's insane bundle.
1.4m for XB1 this year? That's a bold bet.
Sales = quality ? Really? I don't even... We already know the game has sold pretty bad in UK, let alone the others countries.
It won't be better in the US.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Again not a single game is going to move console. ANY CONSOLE. Its combination of everything. I never said ROTR or Halo is going to move console. But giving both games free, which I think is going to happen. They will just make 1 free game with the bundle and gift card. Just like last year, both games have reviewed well and you have a very compelling product.
You find my claims reasonable or not, that's up to you.
I am not counting TR sales as stand alone product. It already did bad, we know that. But as a free game with 300$ bundle. We will see how it will do in US.
It's going to be better in terms of numbers but relative to the size of the XB1 base in the U.S it's pretty much a given it might under perform big time like in the U.K.
But of course in term of numbers will sell more in the US, for "it won't be better in the US" i mean that it won't sell great.
Well, maybe the bundle can sell some units, but i really don't see how can be bigger than the Unity bundle of last year...
What bundle is giving it away for free at $299.99?
Well, then, thankfully everyone else finds your claims ridiculous. I guess I'm the delusional one, then. /s
You're just not accepting facts. Last year the XB1 did as well as it did mostly because of the insane deals, some of which rival this year's in value. So you're telling me that without those insane deals and after a year the XB1 remains roughly the same in price during the holidays, the XB1 will be up YOY. Okay, no one can help you if you do that.
Chobel
Member
There's no such bundle. TR2 Bundle is $400 ($350 in BF) and it's only available at BestBuy and MS store.
Except that is not going to happen, we already know BF deals http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1140416.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
wait aren't all the $399 bundle will be $299? I may be wrong. But read it somewhere.
but I never said you are delusional one. You are entitle to you opinion.
And I think that the last years insane deals will still be insane this year and on top of that great fucking games. Battlefront, COD, Fallout, Halo, TR.
The difference between you guys thinking and mine is simple. You are expecting one to go down YOY and other to go up YOY. But I think they will both go up YOY. This holiday is just BETTER. In terms of price, games. And there will be more and more people buying new gen than last year.
Nightengale
Member
Every bundle has a $50 discount for 4 days.
The cheapest bundles are $349 RRP, so those will be $299. And there's only 2 of said bundles. (Gears bundle & Lego bundle)
Bundles like Tomb Raider, Fallout and Forza are $399 RRP, so those will only be discounted to $349.
graywolf323
Member
all the bundles are $50 off IIRC
Laughing heartily at people arguing a retailer limited bundle at a normal MSRP ($350) packaged with a game that has performed abysmally in its strongest market (UK) is going to somehow have a notable impact on sales in the single most price conscious shopping season of the year. Calling this "delusional" is being kind.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
ahhh I see. Ya just saw, both Sony and MS have 300$ bundle but that's packing the remaster games.
Oh, God. I give up. You keep bringing up games, but that doesn't mean the XB1 will be up YOY. Yes, there are great games, but they won't put the XB1 up YOY. You keep missing the damn point. Do you really think the games last November were the sole reason the XB1 sold over 1.2 million? The main reason the XB1 sold so well was because it had a $70 price advantage over the PS4 at the very least with the AC Unity bundle. Meanwhile, Sony had pretty mediocre bundles last year. Sony was not competitive at all last year, but this year, they are far more competitive and have great bundles. The Uncharted NDC bundle will also match the Gears bundle for BF in price, albeit without a gift card. If you still don't get it and prefer to stick with your fantasies, I honestly give up.
Nightengale
Member
It's not that I don't get what BeforeU is saying, but the deals and bundles, from what we can see, are not favouring any form of "uplift" for Tomb Raider.
TR bundles limited to retailers that aren't huge volume drivers during BF, the larger availability of a more popular IP bundle (Fallout) at the same price at more retailers, and it's not the price-sensitive bundle used to sell to those who only look at the price tags. (299)
MS seems more intent on giving away Battlefront for free (thus the free game deal during Battlefront week) than they do on giving Tomb Raider for free.
TR bundles limited to retailers that aren't huge volume drivers during BF, the larger availability of a more popular IP bundle (Fallout) at the same price at more retailers, and it's not the price-sensitive bundle used to sell to those who only look at the price tags. (299)
MS seems more intent on giving away Battlefront for free (thus the free game deal during Battlefront week) than they do on giving Tomb Raider for free.
BeforeU needs to commit to his faith on XB1 numbers and make an avatar bet on his YOY increase claim.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
My claims have been mostly wrong, so I wouldn't commit to it
LOL okay bruh, I see what you saying. But no sorry, I think this year games will drive the sales. It will be final nail in the coffin for last gen consoles. So I genuinely think more people will buy console this holiday.
That's ok dude. We will see. I honestly really doubt XB1 will be up YOY this November and December, but hey, never say never.
Why are you so upset? Let BeforeU believe in a world where quality games like Tomb Raider drive adoption.
November is not the month to learn that Santa isn't real.
Nightengale
Member
No need to get worked up. It's just a user making a low-probable claim.
serversurfer
Member
I haven't forgotten you, Queso; I've just been kinda tied up. I hope to get back to you soon though. ^^
LOL, I just wanted to quote Hooper from Jaws. But yeah, I'm done arguing with someone who would rather believe in his own delusions than accept facts.
Damn it, did anyone of you watch Jaws?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Pretty much. And as far as tomb raider goes...hype is pretty much non existent
I've been on NeoGAF too long to know what "good" even means.
Nightengale
Member
Gaming was a mistake, every game is trash.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
We live in the world where buggy fallout 4 sales gang busters, yet disgaea 5 and DQ heroes bombs! Gamers dont know what's good!
SALTY
That's not true. Some are good vehicles of delivering 60 frames per second at 1080p resolution. Others are very well set up to maximize recurring payments by the player.
I'm going to lie down now
Damn it, did anyone of you watch Jaws?
I feel ya...my Matrix references usually go either unnoticed or make some salty.
Well, I never watched The Matrix, so excuse me if I don't get one of your references.
This would be good. It would be HILARIOUS to see him sporting a PS4 as his avatar or "I don't believe in Phil Spencer" avatar. Here's hoping he takes the bait.
BeforeU is smarter than what his claim would suggest. He already refused.
I see someone is still salty about his tag.
I guess even delusions have their limits
Or the king of the king Justin Bieber.
There are lines even I won't cross
I see someone is still salty about his tag.
? What does his avatar have to do with my tag? Honestly I think time has pretty much proven my post in my tag correct so it's not really the badge of shame I'm sure it was meant to be.
CosmicQueso
Member
I agree with BeforeU... in his thoughts that November will be interesting.
LOL, I'm kidding, man. I just find your tag hilarious, that's all. Also, I'm kinda bored. Exam still going on, still waiting for November NPD predictions thread and PSX. Just humor me, please.
Definitely. Profitability seems to be their focus this year. That much was obvious when the announced their Halo 5 bundle was priced at $500.
Wait you think XB1 will be up YoY??
The Mad Draklor
Member
The problem is that last year, the XBO received a $50 pricecut + 2 games, one of which was brand new. In addition, the price was dropped by another $20 on Black Friday. We do not see as large of a jump in value this holiday season. Maybe the XBO will be up YOY, but that's a big maybe.
He didn't say that. Queso said that he agrees with BeforeU's thoughts that November will be interesting(TM). I think BeforeU was also the one that started that moniker.
It really is. Idk what went on behind the scenes, but I can't help but think a company that would attempt to outright lie to the public without clearing it with their partner and agreeing on messaging maybe wouldn't be a good company to partner with; especially given how they have treated the title since its exclusivity was shown to be timed. From what I understand, it could have been a been a contender for goty if marketed properly and on multiple platforms.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
It's in TOP 10 bro.
9) 1,318,000 (PS2; 2002)
That said, those were old times. Is true that PS2 Novembers didn't seem "that high", but if you look some Decembers...
Dec 2001 - 1,971,000
Dec 2002 - 2,733,000
Dec 2003 - 1,970,000
Those numbers are impossible for PS4 / XB1 for example... One time December was much bigger than November, now the sales aren't that difference.
Lol I know. I can't read worth shit tonight xD.
That's an interesting shift tho; guess Black Friday was not a big deal for consoles during the early half of last decade.
Not even the Wii had that a big a November or December. That's insane.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
That's what the PC & PS4 releases are for right? Also, typically didn't Tomb Raider games sell beter on Sony platforms?
Also to this debate on XB1 sales, isn't it possible for console sales to not follow a normal bell curve? I think the PS3 was a great case of that right? But yes, I would normally think Halo 5 would have driven adoption in November & December being it's also the third year of the XB1, but October's numbers seem to make that unlikely.
It's a result of the 2008 recession. Buyers have limited funds for Christmas shopping, so companies are putting a much higher emphasis on getting those funds as early as possible, which shifts sales to November from December. That's why BF keeps getting earlier and earlier on Thursday each year. Each retailer trying to be the *first* one you go to, when you have the most spending ability.
Wii has the record December sales of 3.8m in Dec-2009. First price cut of $50 for Wii in September followed by Wal-Mart giving a $50 gift card with every system in December combined with plentiful stock on store shelves in December for the Wii for the first time since launch. Perfect storm.
Nightengale
Member
When it comes to collaboration between different companies, sometimes norms and natural practices just don't come across properly between different people handling different things.
Between MS/Square, it's clear the one thing they agreed upon in the initial agreement was for it to not be acknowledged as a timed-exclusive. But it's clear neither side worked out a very clear structure of what-to-say/not-to-say, beyond the broad basics of "cannot acknowledge as timed exclusive."
Slimy as it was, MS actually covered themselves relatively well on that front with the "commas" and adheral to a strict PR line that very quickly outed the exclusivity as timed (even if Phil did a quick save with the interview to muddy the waters further), and all that, whereas Square flaunted the deal very awkwardly, celebrating MS's involvement, didn't utilise the same language, etc.
Sometimes you just don't expect a certain amount of backlash/reaction, and if you're not prepared for it, you fumble.