Me spin? How? Sorry, but +60% decline in sales is not "Halo 5 did well". Especially with bigger user base. Titanfall sales...that game did well.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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Me spin? How? Sorry, but +60% decline in sales is not "Halo 5 did well". Especially with bigger user base. Titanfall sales...that game did well.
Simple put Halo5 was the game that was supposed to change the tide. A 30k win is certainly not that. MS didn't even erase September's numbers. That's a lot worse for MS compared to Sony being down YOY imo.
+81% YoY is not minimal impact. And Halo is not what used to be, now we know...
There's no real winners in this month, MS is facing a terrible new reality for Halo and Sony price drop was a fiasco for bump PS4.
unapersson
Member
Well they dropped the price of three bundles, only one of them was out this month and two were for eagerly anticipated games. So you won't really see the affect of the price drop until you see how those did.
TW3 sold 25% digital over all plateforms, and it's on steam. That should put things in perspective.
Primethius
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You can't just solely look at potential PS4 sales in November to offset the poor sales this month. "Delayed sales" into November also applies to MS. So the winner of November will determine the winner of October if the sales are sufficiently large to make up for the lack luster sales of October.
"Delayed sales" also explains the minimal Halo impact.
November will determine the winners.
"Delayed sales" also explains the minimal Halo impact.
November will determine the winners.
hydrophilic attack
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Halo was 90 % digital
It is known
It is known
Neuromancer
Member
MS can't be happy with those Halo numbers, but I don't really see that it's going to make much of a difference for Xbox owners. It's not like they're going to stop making them. The downward spiral will continue until something more popular comes along.
Who the hell thought that?
RedAssedApe
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best holiday lineup in xbox history. most expected it to push more than an extra 30K units over sony
yeah, I might use hard facts, but I dont think they will care, they are only going by MS 400 million announcent, in their eyes it did better than any other Halo, so they will just assume that Halo 5 went against the market average by a large margin.
I guess MS PR did good.
Hockeymac18
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No offense, but I think Sony care more about the YOY drop than "losing".
That said, Sony will be fine. November will be a good month for them, I suspect. But I think people here really overestimate how important "winning" is. These companies want to make money, and don't really care about warz.
I agree on pretty much every point.
What are you talking about?
MS has LE bundles with high placed pre-orders over the past 2.5 months that carry in November?
That 400M number probably comes from sold in hardware...
RedAssedApe
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it would probably take phil spencer to come out and give official numbers for them to believe it. and even then they'll just hold steadfast to their belief that "sony ponies are just being salty because they thought npd was a lock (said no one)"
Lys Skygge
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Halo is Microsofts biggest franchise. A lot of people thought Halo 5 would clean house.
Hockeymac18
Member
In what way? It did sell the most, and the XB1 did sell the most. What else did people expect? Genuinely curious.
Welfare
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What did the original Assassin's Creed do? 391k for Syndicate is pretty bad.
Also October was terrible for Sony. Without the price cut do you guys think the PS4 would even be close to 275k? An entire month of a price drop and sales just happen to syphon over to November? This 30k gap would've been a lot bigger if the price drop either didn't happen or was later in the month.
Also October was terrible for Sony. Without the price cut do you guys think the PS4 would even be close to 275k? An entire month of a price drop and sales just happen to syphon over to November? This 30k gap would've been a lot bigger if the price drop either didn't happen or was later in the month.
FunkyPajamas
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I hate to be that guy, but "citation needed".
Change the tide? As in having a lasting effect on the outcome of this generation. The turning point. I don't think any sane person thought that was going to happen.
The "best lineup in history" started in August. So, that obviously didn't help anything.
Regardless of how much the game dropped in comparison to previous Halos, it still helped the Xbox One take the month when it was up against the top selling console having its first price drop. My posts have been strictly about console sales (and you replied to me); Not game sales.
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We are talking about the month of October. "Turning the tide" would mean the Xbox One selling double what the PS4 would since sales usually never get above 500K for a console in October. So basically, a "turning the tide" situation would be the Xbox One doing (say) 480K and the PS4 being below 240K during a month with its first price drop. You really think that was possible?
This is silly -- anyone would have been laughed at in the other thread just a few days ago if they said the PS4 would do less than 300K (especially with strong conviction). Seeking a winner outside of simply "which one sold more" is doing far too much work in a month that's not worth it (i.e.: a less than 600K month for PS4+XB1 sales).
1.36 million.
Point being if Halo isn't the game that Push's a lot of x1's then what game will? That's why I feel it was a lot more Disastrous for MS. I'm 99.9% certain ps4 will be up YoY in Nov with the SW and Cod bundle. Also while being able to match X1's $299 BF pricing. So if you're talking short term Sure MS won. From a long term perspective I think sony won.
Psycho_Mantis
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Still no JP games sales ;___;
Sony and and MS both lost however MS lost so much more.
Sony and and MS both lost however MS lost so much more.
FunkyPajamas
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Also: I want to say that if find it sad that Ubisoft poured a lot of development resources into what I see as a soulless, shallow, mediocre annual series (Assassin's Creed), and that I hope the lukewarm reception for the latest entry means they allow their development team(s) to work on either other pre-existing franchises or new ones.
Primethius
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I'm not talking about pre-orders. I'm talking about consumers waiting for the cheaper price point that November brings.
In their eyes it was the same with other Halos....I know a mod posted in a different thread on the average of digital sales last year, but I will see what they have to say anout Witcher 3 selling 25 percent digital, Im prety sure they will spin it somehow.
slavesnyder
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To sell like Halo.
Well I guess your talking about short term, I'm talking about long term. You have the right to your opinion. In no way is a 30k win in a halo month a win for MS imo.
That's the case for both. But the PS4 has those LE bundles pre orders on top.
Last November MS dropped the price of XB1 to $350 and release Halo MCC, a collection of their mega franchise. They won Nov. 2014. This October Sony dropped PS4 to $350 and released Uncharted Collection, the trilogy collection of their mega franchise. They lost Oct. 2015 with YoY decline.
Nov. will be interesting Sony's got some nice third party bundles. We already know Fallout 4 has been a smash hit and MS had a pretty nice bundle for that as well. Nov. NPD spin will be legendary.
Primethius
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. November will determine who won October because both consoles have sales "delayed" into November.
Lys Skygge
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C'mon, man. You're telling me you didn't expect Halo to move more consoles? Destiny sold more PS4s last year and that was a new IP, multi-platform, and was met with quite a bit of criticism upon release.
Though I will say Halo only tracked for a short time so I think we'll have a better idea on how it did on Novembers NPD.
Ah, my mind didn't register the "turn the tide" bit. Yeah I don't think anyone expected that much.
Succinct Verbosity
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Regardless, what it does show is people will buy a console for games, which is a good message for gamers to send to manufacturers. Hopefully Sony won't allow themselves to have such a poor pre-Christmas line up next year.
Agreed. Sony losing November would be an unmitigated disaster.
Hockeymac18
Member
OK, fair enough.
slavesnyder
Member
Who needs an own line up if you have all those 3rd party heavy hitters squeezing into this small timeframe.
The best thing that could happen to Uncharted was to get take a hike into next spring.
Before this NPD, i thought PS4 sales in November was gonna be crazy, bigger than XB1 in 2014.
Now, i'm not sure anymore...
Yeah, i believe will be very hard beat 2014 holidays sales for XB1 for both PS4 and XB1 this gen... i think this will remain the best holidays of this gen.
That said, for this holidays, i expect:
XB1 2014 > PS4 2015 > XB1 2015 > PS4 2014
Now, i'm not sure anymore...
Yeah, i believe will be very hard beat 2014 holidays sales for XB1 for both PS4 and XB1 this gen... i think this will remain the best holidays of this gen.
That said, for this holidays, i expect:
XB1 2014 > PS4 2015 > XB1 2015 > PS4 2014
The point that snyder (and I) are making is that with the price cut affecting LE bundles that only released in Nov, some buyers may have chosen to go with the bundles instead and wait. There was no such effect for XB1 due to
1) no price cut
2) no LE bundles
Any effect of people waiting for Nov sales is irrelevant because it is the exact same thing every year, as everybody knows there will be deals around BF.
That seems to be a question, not a statement.
I actually prefer it that way. They spread out their games quite nicely. They just couldn't position a "big" game during the holidays this year. Uncharted 4 was supposed to be the one, but got delayed. A delay I believe was to kill two birds with one stone.
Right now winning or losing isn't the main issue. They need to be up YoY first and foremost. October was severely underwhelming because Sony was too conservative with the pricedrop. $299 looks worlds better in a store than $349.
I am willing to avatar bet that, all things being equal to what we know now (hence baring a last minute price cut across the board) it will be
PS4 2015 > XB1 2014.
Last November MS dropped the price of XB1 to $350 and release Halo MCC, a collection of their mega franchise. They won Nov. 2014. This October Sony dropped PS4 to $350 and released Uncharted Collection, the trilogy collection of their mega franchise. They lost Oct. 2015 with YoY decline.
Nov. will be interesting Sony's got some nice third party bundles. We already know Fallout 4 has been a smash hit and MS had a pretty nice bundle for that as well. Nov. NPD spin will be legendary.
I'm Not Really Comparing Ps4 to X1 for Nov. Mostly people making a big deal about ps4 Being down YOY. When there's a great chance Sony will easily beat last Nov's numbers. Problem is I don't see MS releasing a game as big as Halo any time soon, and a 30k lead was the best it could do.
Primethius
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I wasn't replying to you initially, I was making a more general point about sales being delayed into November due to the conditions that customers have come to expect after last year.
Ps4 can't beat that, it required ms lying( temporary price cut) and doing all kinds of rediculous deals.I am willing to avatar bet that, all things being equal to what we know now (hence baring a last minute price cut across the board) it will be
PS4 2015 > XB1 2014.