Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Higher core clock speeds and often a 3rd 8-pin power cable needed which also makes for higher stable overclocks.
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existensmaximum
Member
No idea, honestly.. There's probably no real difference except for a small factory overclock that anyone could do, yeah. The price difference was insignificant so I went for it. Probably makes me a sucker but whatever
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Looks like you're not. Check the post above yours. I didn't even know about it. The difference is probably, like you said, minimal, but hey - it's extra frames!No idea, honestly.. There's probably no real difference except for a small factory overclock that anyone could do, yeah. The price difference was insignificant so I went for it. Probably makes me a sucker but whatever
NinjaMouse
Member
Do folks have any idea about the usual restocking schedule for these cards at Newegg or Microcenter? I'm in the market for a 3070 and would like to have at least a fighting chance against the bots.
hououinkyouma00
Member
I assume I'm the only one who got a 3070 and feels underwhelmed? Sometimes I think I'm broken, and simply can't enjoy things anymore. Same thing happened with my 12 Pro (which I returned after barely feeling anything after getting it).
I might surprise my friend who was desperately trying to get one and let him buy mine at just under cost.
I might surprise my friend who was desperately trying to get one and let him buy mine at just under cost.
sleepnaught
Member
Any ideas on when these will be readily available? I don't have the patience to fight against bots and scalpors.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
I was about to but then I say you have to buy the advanced edition to run the ray tracing test.
LaughingStock
Member
About raytracing, as a newcomer, playing control, and metro exodus these are my impressions:
Control with dlss runs smoothly and the raytracing effects are very noticeable. I'd say it's worth it.
Metro Exodus, not so much. The only time i noticed raytracing doing anything was inside of a dark werehouse. The light shining through the cracks on the roof was bouncing around and iluminating a few areas. Without RT it was pitch black.
Usually, when i think raytracing is doing something and i turn it off i can't tell the difference.
Control with dlss runs smoothly and the raytracing effects are very noticeable. I'd say it's worth it.
Metro Exodus, not so much. The only time i noticed raytracing doing anything was inside of a dark werehouse. The light shining through the cracks on the roof was bouncing around and iluminating a few areas. Without RT it was pitch black.
Usually, when i think raytracing is doing something and i turn it off i can't tell the difference.
mitchman
Gold Member
Yes, black window in Vivaldi/Chrome/Edge/Opera/Chromium/... usually means the GPU process crashed, typically due to driver issues or similar. The GPU process we restart by itself quickly, though.
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Subterranean
Member
What you mean? You underwhelmed with the performance or just the lack of the dopamine hit you expected by buying a shiny new thing?
I just had a 3070 delivered and it is sitting here unopened, I kind of get where you're coming from though, I would be more excited if I could throw this thing in my PC and play Cyberpunk.
existensmaximum
Member
Exactly the same here. I think Metro Exodus is very underwhelming overall, even at 4k. Shit animation and faces, geometry, and don't even get me started on the textures. Some are very low resolution, blocky and look like shit really. The trees, plants and other foliage is laughably bad. I thought people praised this game for looking good? It really, really doesn't even if I crank up every setting to the max. They're just no smoothness, every object kinda sticks out? Don't know how to explain it. It looks like as with or without DLSS at any resolution..
Also, the gameplay is kind of boring to me, and the storytelling is just.. Bad. Everything feels dated and archaic, but it's probably just not my kind of genre/game.
But Control - holy shit what a gorgeous game. Smooth, pleasant, extremely impressive raytracing and runs like butter with DLSS. Great animation and pretty good faces as well, even if it doesn't come close to TLOU2 in my opinion.
Seems fun too!
Much more up my alley.
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nemiroff
Gold Member
It's a kinda funny thing. Every single card of the same type is different, or rather the GPU silicon is. The OC version is higher quality GPU sorting in the sense that is capable of higher factory overclock. A few years ago a lot of this was left to the "hardware lottery" where people who bought the same card sometimes got very different performance. These days there's more granularity in the sorting and the slightly higher clocks comes with a slightly higher price.
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hououinkyouma00
Member
Not really underwhelmed by the performance. I think it's the latter.
I was SOOO excited to get one, and had searched for a 3080 as well but now that I actually have one I'm just meh. I also think if I had Cyberpunk to boot up and play I would be much more excited. It was the same with my phone as in it's a great product but I guess I just don't care that much. Also doesn't help that I've had nothing but issues with my PC since I got it (multiple reinstalls of Windows, and almost non-stop connection issues).
I think my friend would make much better use of it. He was trying so hard to get one, and I admittedly got one really easily through Best Buy so I think he would be ecstatic to have the chance to get one.
duhmetree
Member
I just got a direct link from EVGA to purchase the 3080 FTW3 Ultra... Comes out to $890 with tax and delivery....
...and for some reason I'm hesitant. Get a 6800 to hold me over until next AMD/Nvidia iteration? Should I wait for a ti? EVGA has a great upgrade program so if comes out in 3 months, I'm good... but the 10GB is the only concern... going down 1GB from my 1080ti...
decisions decisions...
...and for some reason I'm hesitant. Get a 6800 to hold me over until next AMD/Nvidia iteration? Should I wait for a ti? EVGA has a great upgrade program so if comes out in 3 months, I'm good... but the 10GB is the only concern... going down 1GB from my 1080ti...
decisions decisions...
That's how I think I'm going to feel with the 3080... The hype got me.. Now I dont know what to do
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LaughingStock
Member
I agree with everything you said about metro. But i still like the game.Exactly the same here. I think Metro Exodus is very underwhelming overall, even at 4k. Shit animation and faces, geometry, and don't even get me started on the textures. Some are very low resolution, blocky and look like shit really. The trees, plants and other foliage is laughably bad. I thought people praised this game for looking good? It really, really doesn't even if I crank up every setting to the max. They're just no smoothness, every object kinda sticks out? Don't know how to explain it. It looks like as with or without DLSS at any resolution..
Also, the gameplay is kind of boring to me, and the storytelling is just.. Bad. Everything feels dated and archaic, but it's probably just not my kind of genre/game.
But Control - holy shit what a gorgeous game. Smooth, pleasant, extremely impressive raytracing and runs like butter with DLSS. Great animation and pretty good faces as well, even if it doesn't come close to TLOU2 in my opinion.
Seems fun too!
And it reminds me of another cluncky game that i love. Stalker.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
You ignore the the jump from GDDR5X to GDDR6X? 484 GB/s to 760 GB/s?
duhmetree
Member
I'm not ignoring the jump in bandwidth.. just, if I want to upgrade to 4K in 6 months to a year, will 10GB be enough for all games? Aren't people having issues already? I know its just allocations and I'm probably over blowing it...You ignore the the jump from GDDR5X to GDDR6X? 484 GB/s to 760 GB/s?
I'm at 1440p now with a IPS Asus 165hz. If 4K HDR monitors make some progress and are not stupid expensive, I will most likely upgrade.
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hououinkyouma00
Member
1080ti is still a great GPU though. What resolution do you play at? I noticed a lot of reviews mention running into VRAM limitations.
I’ll be going back to my RX580 for now. I actually just messaged my friend and asked if he still wanted it.
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duhmetree
Member
1440p 165hz for now, until 4K monitors become more popular. I want HDR more than anything but I might be getting a new OLED TV for the new consoles
Well I bought it.. I figured I can sell it, worst case scenario. It shouldn't be an issue at 1440p but I might need to upgrade if I do make that switch. Can always upgrade to a 3090 or a 3080ti ( if its released in 90 days )
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hououinkyouma00
Member
Yeah, I’m on a 1080p monitor, and a 4K tv which sort of helped my decision. I can’t spend $700 on a 3080 (more won’t not can’t I guess) which seems to get anywhere from 25-45% more frames at 2160.
You got a EVGA right? My friend grabbed a 2070 Super and signed up for the step up program figured it was easier then fighting for a card.
I play on console and PC so I figure I’m gonna stick with my RX580 for now and keep an eye on the 6000 series cards closer to Cyberpunk and then maybe decide.
nemiroff
Gold Member
Without some proper evidence I'd say the only place where people have issues with the 10GB GDDR6X VRAM is in their imaginations.
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Rickyiez
Member
What issue ? If we're basing on an unoptimized Ubisoft game (Watch Dogs Legion) , it's never accurate . Besides , I'm only using 6.15GB with everything maxed out , 3440x1440 and DLSS balanced
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duhmetree
Member
the concern wasn't at 1440p, it's if I move to 4K HDR in a few months. But I should be fine... by the time 4K HDR monitors are plentiful/affordable, I'd be ready for a 4080 or 5080
Rickyiez
Member
Even if it's 4k , it will only extrapolate to around 7GB . I'm on ultrawide 3440x1440 (30% more than 1440p) . And also keep in mind that Watch Dogs Legion is very very unoptimized , I'm not too bothered with the performance there nor the vram usage/allocation. CPU and GPU usage aren't even stressed out properly in-game . I've some performance test here , you can see that GPU doesn't even reach 90% while CPU hovering around 50-60%
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existensmaximum
Member
Yeah, I would never call it a bad game. It's just not to my taste
I'll play something else! Too bad, I want to like it, because the setting is super cool.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Do you currently play any games that can take advantage of the card? What is your previous GPU? Resolution?
Edit: Nvm saw your posts about that.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
890? Omg wtf... I've paid 700 for founders and even sold watch dogs for 30... So that's 670. No 3080 is better than any other 3080 even for 50 usd. These cards are all the same aside from founders look.
Also... The 10gb will be enough. By the time we need more than 10gb, all these cards will be years old and too slow.
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DemonCleaner
Member
that's not how it works. the figure shown is the mean utilization of all CPU threads. usually there are one to two command threads that are bottlenecking the rest of the CPU. hence you will never see full utilization even if you were completely CPU limited.
intheinbetween
Member
Dude, you’re wrong. The EVGA FTW3 Ultra is the fastest 3080 right now, it runs cooler, quieter, it has dual bios, and less prone to coil whine, overall it is much better than the Founders. Also, ASUS STRIX is better than the FE, and both of them are worth the price difference.
I would even say the regular ASUS TUF Gaming is better than the FE, it runs quieter and cooler.
Malakhov
Banned
The TUF non OC is indeed the best value card so far imo
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
These are all very small differences in framerate.
Noise suuure maybe
None of these differences will prolong the life of the card. Look back at gtx 1080... it really does not matter in long term which card people got... the 5% +- is meaningless over long time
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intheinbetween
Member
Well, bear in mind by flashing the Strix BIOS fully unlocks 3x Pin cards potential, performing almost on par with a stock 3090.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Almost nobody will do that. Stride price is already very steep. In fact... I don't think even 3090 would be a good choice for strip 3080 price
(aside for cram)
intheinbetween
Member
Almost nobody will do that. Stride price is already very steep. In fact... I don't think even 3090 would be a good choice for strip 3080 price
My point is, it really makes a difference getting a FE or one of these, and the price difference is worth it. Also, out of the box, both AIB cards perform better than the FE.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Believe it or not, I think not being able to obtain one of these cards is going to end up being a gift for so many people. The 16GB 6800 XT is looking REALLY tempting right now.
SoggyBiscuit
Banned
So annoyed. Was due a 3090 delivery today and it's been delayed due to an issue with the sorting hub...
Thanks DPD. Starting to worry now and think something bad has happened.
Thanks DPD. Starting to worry now and think something bad has happened.
I really don't know what to do, try and get a 3080 or for the first time in my life go with AMD (thinking of 6900 XT).
I need a new MOBO & CPU as well (I am on i7 4790K).
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duhmetree
Member
Base Price is $810. The rest is tax and shipping.
$700 is the base price for the 3080. You didn't pay tax and shipping?
GaviotaGrande
Banned
If you can only pick one, I would suggest for real-life benchmarks and reviews before making a decision.
This is very true.
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nemiroff
Gold Member
I think we all should remember that even through generations we're sometimes left with just a two-digit percentage difference in performance.. In the big picture this is nothing. Yet here we are "arguing" about.. nothing.. Point is, just ensure that price vs performance, features and user-experience is in the same ballpark. And whatever card we end up with after that most likely should make us fairly happy for a while. I'll leave AMD to mature for another gen, but that's just me up in the air about RT/ML features and drivers, I'm sure I'd be happy with one of their 6xxx cards if I actually bought one.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
No. Straight 700 from nvidia
GaviotaGrande
Banned
I got CX TV and 3000 series card but I was missing a 2.1 HDMI cable. I just ordered one with same day deliver and it will at my place in the evening. It feels like the last missing piece of next-gen puzzle.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
Here's a screen-capture of the benchmark results for Watch Dogs: Legion running on the RTX 3080. Don't mind that the data displayed by MSI Afterburner/ Rivatuner designates the GPU as the RTX 3090; I didn't relabel the data entries when I had the RTX 3080 installed. Anyhow, notice that the amount of VRAM that's listed as having been used by the benchmark is 10.13 GBs out of 9.84GBs. Is this an error or did the benchmark pull the additional 0.29 GBs from general system RAM (10.13 GBs - 9.84 GBs = 0.29 GBs)?
What makes me think that the benchmark did this is the amount of system RAM that's listed as having been used when the benchmark ran on the RTX 3080 relative to when it ran on the RTX 3090 with the same settings: 7.32 GBs vs 6.06 GBs, which is a difference of 1.26 GBs. Obviously 1.26 GBs is more than 0.29 GBs, but I'm assuming that the benchmark needed to duplicate the 0.29 GBs of data in order to minimize the amount of time that it took to find the data since system RAM is much slower than VRAM.
What do you guys think?
What makes me think that the benchmark did this is the amount of system RAM that's listed as having been used when the benchmark ran on the RTX 3080 relative to when it ran on the RTX 3090 with the same settings: 7.32 GBs vs 6.06 GBs, which is a difference of 1.26 GBs. Obviously 1.26 GBs is more than 0.29 GBs, but I'm assuming that the benchmark needed to duplicate the 0.29 GBs of data in order to minimize the amount of time that it took to find the data since system RAM is much slower than VRAM.
What do you guys think?
MightySquirrel
Banned
I wonder how long untill we'll finally be able to just order one online? Its been 7 weeeeks and still can't buy one.
Soulblighter31
Banned
How is 200 extra dollars worth it for 2 frames extra ? Seriously man. The difference in framerates is so minuscule between these cards, its nothing really. They all have the same chip. The performance is in the ballpark for all of them
GaviotaGrande
Banned
It's a Ubisoft game. It's most likely a bug.