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NYT Editorial: Obama Administration "Has Lost All Credibility" (Re: NSA monitoring)
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Gabriel_Logan
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That's some NKVD level shit, I imagine they got everything they needed to know out of him.
At least I'm on AT&T.
And I think we can thank the "Patriot" Act for this.
Uh they are one of the reasons the patriot act came to be afte 9/11 they were aproached by the gov to surveilance all american traffuc on their networks and were whistleblown on its how the lid was blown on all telecoms spying for the gov with no warrants wat we got because of it was the patriot act and retroactive immunity for all companies involved. There is no surprise here.
Don't bother. Fair treatment for traitors is something people in bubbles like to whine about.
And this? Ugly. I don't think Obama's tenure will be remembered fondly.
Yes, just ignore people who have different opinions than you. That's a good way to debate things.
I don't doubt that what happened was pleasant. But I don't think it constitutes torture.
Joel Was Right
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What?
Circle Jerk
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There are people that are warming up to Bush 2's tenure as president, and his actions involving the economy are probably still felt more than this scandel. Time and new scandals will always make past presidents look better.
TheLaughingStock
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This is a joke article for including that garbage to me. I just want to reach through the monitor and slap him.
ProfessorLobo
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It feels like these two sentences were written by different posters.
timetokill
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Obama, 2007: “This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the securities we provide. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our constitution and our freedom. That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more National Security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking of citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. That’s now what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA Court works. The separation of powers works. Our constitution works. We will again set an example to the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers and that justice is not arbitrary. This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not. There are no shortcuts to protecting America.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fnfVJzZT4
Y'all suckas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fnfVJzZT4
Y'all suckas
And you would be guessing wrong.
Escape Goat
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Put the blame on the people who passed it. I doubt most of them even read it. Or were afraid of being labeled anti freedom for holding up the bill.
We could also put the blame (and, hopefully, pressure) on the people who are currently uninterested in rescinding it despite having the power to do so: Congress.
It'd be nice if the GOP's unrelenting hatred for all things Obama would work in our favor for once. And they control the House, though the Senate might be a tougher nut.
jamesinclair
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How do you people feel about voting against freedom....twice?
I'm sure we'll get a good candidate next time.
BolognaSoup
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I can't help but think of the millions and millions of first time voters that didn't see this fraud for who he is. Of course, most of them aren't even paying attention and don't realize what's happening to this country in the first place. I guess they'll just keep hoping for change from the "most transparent" administration in history.
They renewed it while Obama was in office... Overwhelmingly. No large group of congress people will ever vote against it lest they be soft on terror. Civil liberties are a distant second.
Yeah, I remember that. I'm kind of hoping that its new assocation with Obama Tyranny or ScandalGate will help push some Republicans in the right direction. Might also make the Dems dig in, though. :/
Circle Jerk
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If you think anyone elected to the Presidency would/ is going to end this, you have a rude awakening coming.
I'd hope the dems would vote with their core beliefs and not the President. It would need bipartisan support for political cover, I'd hope enough liberal senators would join in.
el retorno
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I agree. How anybody can still defend this administration is mind-blowing. I voted for him but now, whether they like to believe it or not, self-proclaimed democrats are just as delusional as the godawful Bush supporters.
I hate the division in this country. We're not born with one-of-two political ideologies; we're individuals. Can we stop defending what we so openly admit is the 'lesser-of-two-evils' and just stop taking bullshit from these lying, deceitful, scumbags?
I hope so...one day.
I hate the division in this country. We're not born with one-of-two political ideologies; we're individuals. Can we stop defending what we so openly admit is the 'lesser-of-two-evils' and just stop taking bullshit from these lying, deceitful, scumbags?
I hope so...one day.
JoeyJo-JoJuniorShabadoo
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Things look different from the big chair. Senators don't know nor handle the extraordinary burden and responsibility that the Executive holds. Every President has said their first security briefing changes the way they see yhe world (except probably Bush 1). I think Obama was foolish to say the above, but I can't blame him for changing his tune upon seeing threats and scenarios we scarcely imagine.
el retorno
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because the only thing the president is good for is civil liberties, he doesn't affect your life in any other way.
Don't fucking care, I just can't endorse it.
No. Read about Tom Wheeler.
jamesinclair
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ElectricThunder
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I think that falls under "extraordinary claims merit ponying the hell up" clause---whatever " secret burdens" recent presidents have clearly do not number among them the american public at large's outright welfare and right to know what is being done in their name to shape their collective destinies FAR beyond the general notions that representative government tends towards versus the funny quirk that the same industrial complexes keep benefiting rather disproportionately.
As with other current geopolitical issues, instead of open confrontation, those at the helm are opting to squeeze blood from stones for the benefit of the few instead of frank, open deliberation on as to what the path forward is, how bad things have been that have led us to this point, and the full truth to the present circumstances.
It is sheer, short-term minded cowardice that takes the hard wrought struggles for progress of the last several decades that only exists on the knife's edge due to constant undermining by unscrupulous, oft private, interests and actively cheerleads pushing if off and down entirely for "our" own good.
el retorno
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you're not, voting for someone doesn't mean you endorse everything.
LiveFromKyoto
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The Templars are winning.
What? That's not how the human body works. See your user name.
What? That's not how the human body works. See your user name.
Something legal reviewed and endorsed by congress isn't a political scandal. The real scandal will be when no one cares
Mammoth Jones
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Hero_of_the_Day
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LOfuckingL.
LOfuckingL.
Anticitizen One
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Obama never gets a break. I don't think there has ever been a President in history that has been under as much scrutiny as Obama.
el retorno
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This is absolutely has nothing to do with Obama. All these stories are coming from the "liberal media"
As a neutral spectator. None of the prevous "scandals" have been anywhere close to the scale of this. I mean, to spin it like "gah, first benghazi, now the NSA...cant those silly tea-party republicans for once just...calm down...its getting ridicilous"...
Personally, im literally shocked, for the first time ever in Obamas presidency.
Obama definitely lost my favor when the news about drone strikes came out. They were being told by folks on the ground that they do nothing more than create ill will towards the U.S. in the region, yet Obama personally oversees each one? And they consider any majority-age male an enemy combatant? Jesus Christ.
Now this NSA stuff only worsens my view of this administration.
Now this NSA stuff only worsens my view of this administration.
Mammoth Jones
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There's never been a President in history that has talked so much shit about how he's do things right and yet backtrack once he was in the chair:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uBOc4jeJ8_E#
Yes, but I think it's important to remember that the mere fact that the GOP has cried wolf over and over doesn't mean that no criticisms of Obama are legitimate. NSA spying didn't start with Obama, and it won't end with Obama, but that doesn't let him off the hook for keeping it going and/or increasing it.
How do you do one without doing the other?
"I don't like what you're doing but I'm going to put you in a position to do it."
How does that work?
jamesinclair
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At least something good has come of this administration
The Technomancer
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We never get the perfect candidate. I can vote for someone and say "I endorse your stances on X, Y and Z and that's why I'm voting for you, but I can't endorse what you do on A and B and I wish you wouldn't". If you don't vote until you have a candidate you agree with everything on well...you won't vote
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