NYTimes: "How one stupid tweet blew up Sacco's Life"

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Machine

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I feel like the article went whooshing over a lot of people's heads.

Or they didn't actually read it.

Or they read it and don't care / disagree.

I read this article earlier today, and was struck by how perfectly it summarized the unease that comes with this newfangled public vigilante mob created by social media. In particular, it echoed one sentiment that I agree with-- a lot of people are just not very good people, and get off on being a dick to others in the name of "justice." Some even allow themselves to believe that they are actually the "good" ones.

Sorta like a less extreme version of Light from Death Note, except now we have a million Lights with their Death Twitters.

Because there are circumstances where a stupid tweet may merit firing someone, it's always ok. Never ever make awkward attempts at humor on your private twitter or whisper off-color jokes to your friends while attending a conference because it's perfectly acceptable if you lose your job as a result.
 
Your life ends when right under your Twitter handle it says your job title and where you work.

And that's okay.

Interesting.

Yep. I think the negative reaction to this is mostly people poorly handling their own slow realization that the Internet is real now instead of a weird place where nothing really matters.

I think it's other way around. The people organizing and participating in these witch hunts are the ones who don't get that it's "real," that these are actual people's lives they're ruining.

Dont be a racist fuck on a public podium or else face the consequences.

Except... it wasn't racist. It was making fun of racists.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
the tweet is mocking white privilege and ignorance of many whites in regards to africa and aids, she's saying the opposite of what your claiming.

Her family was ANC supporters and racial equality activists. People saw a joke completly devoid of context (she meant the opposite) and ruined her life because they felt the need to shame someone who didn't do anything but make a joke.

Sarcasm doesn't play well in text not to mention her previous tweets were setting a tone for people digesting her personality. Public emotion is a very powerful thing and turned against you, it hits with collateral damage. As a person in charge of communication, she probably knew her fate and that she left her company with little recourse than to distance itself from her.

The lesson is one she should have known from the many bodies left in the wake of social media and hopefully one everyone who keeps saying poor her should have learned already.
 

Jarate

Banned
Yep. I think the negative reaction to this is mostly people poorly handling the realization that the Internet is real now instead of a weird place where nothing really matters.

So you're saying she deserved to get threatened and harassed over a tweet of a joke that was taken out of context? You feel comfortable in making someone feel depressed and possibly suicidal over a tweet?
 
So you're saying she deserved to get threatened and harassed over a tweet of a joke that was taken out of context? You feel comfortable in making someone feel depressed and possibly suicidal over a tweet?
She made a racist tweet and got called on it on a global scale. I have no sympathy for racists.
 
Your life ends when right under your Twitter handle it says your job title and where you work.

I think this is what needs to change, this attitude. Rather than people not being able to say something because someone might take it out of context.

And lets not pretend that its only these public tweets that people would use. If she had a set to private or it was on her facebook and it somehow got out (even if she didn't list employment) the reaction would have been the same
 

Aaron

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Yep. I think the negative reaction to this is mostly people poorly handling their own slow realization that the Internet is real now instead of a weird place where nothing really matters.
Except the internet isn't real because real life has context. People can tell jokes from tone of voice and expression. The internet is black and white, and pushed to the extremes all the time now. Any sense of humor has been squashed flat. It's like 4chan run by Germans.

(seriously they're a lovely people but Germans really have no sense of humor)
 

Jarmel

Banned
Dont be a racist fuck on a public podium or else face the consequences.

How about him then?
I met a man who, in early 2013, had been sitting at a conference for tech developers in Santa Clara, Calif., when a stupid joke popped into his head. It was about the attachments for computers and mobile devices that are commonly called dongles. He murmured the joke to his friend sitting next to him, he told me. “It was so bad, I don’t remember the exact words,” he said. “Something about a fictitious piece of hardware that has a really big dongle, a ridiculous dongle. . . . It wasn’t even conversation-level volume.”

Moments later, he half-noticed when a woman one row in front of them stood up, turned around and took a photograph. He thought she was taking a crowd shot, so he looked straight ahead, trying to avoid ruining her picture. It’s a little painful to look at the photograph now, knowing what was coming.

The woman had, in fact, overheard the joke. She considered it to be emblematic of the gender imbalance that plagues the tech industry and the toxic, male-dominated corporate culture that arises from it. She tweeted the picture to her 9,209 followers with the caption: “Not cool. Jokes about . . . ‘big’ dongles right behind me.” Ten minutes later, he and his friend were taken into a quiet room at the conference and asked to explain themselves. Two days later, his boss called him into his office, and he was fired.
 

Stet

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And that's okay.

Interesting.

Durrrr yes of course that's okay. If you're going to publicly advertise that your job is to make sure that companies are prepared to speak to the masses without making a gaffe and you make a gaffe to the masses, how do you think that will look to prospective clients of the company you also advertise you work for?
 
She's performing for her friends on her twitter feed. They know her. Her tweets aren't for you unless you were following her.

That's the whole thing, public doesn't mean that its for everyone and that everyone is entitled to pretend they were the audience

Yes it does. And she should have known that.

Keep that on Facebook where you can make posts friends only.

She doesn't deserve harassment or death threats, but she showed incredibly poor judgement for a person in her profession.
 

Toxi

Banned
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Jarate

Banned
She made a racist tweet and got called on it on a global scale. I have no sympathy for racists.

You feel it's ok to possibly help further someones suicide all because of a tweet taken out of context that was never meant for you to see? All based off of your idea of what racism is and who are racists?
 

Machine

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I wasn't allowed to fight customers while wearing my Circuit City shirt. My boss told me that I had to take the shirt off and take it outside if a customer ever pissed me off. This is the 2000s version of that.

Circuit City should have fired you for fighting. It doesn't matter if you were wearing your shirt or not. You still represent your employer when you are acting in a private capacity.
 

p2535748

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"Senior director of corporate communications". Quite the high-end job for a 30yr old who made such statements. Must've sucked that major D to get that high up so early.

Do you not see the irony in making this statement in a thread explicitly about how stupid bigoted statements on the internet, even if made in jest, can have huge far reaching implications?
 
Dont be a racist fuck on a public podium or else face the consequences.

She made a racist tweet and got called on it on a global scale. I have no sympathy for racists.

where is the racism? she discribes her thought process in the OPs article.

She was making a statement that was so absurd it couldn't be taken seriously.

Its like all the :"probably gave him a dehumanizing stare", posts in police brutality threads.

Yes it does. And she should have known that.

Keep that on Facebook where you can make posts friends only.

She doesn't deserve harassment or death threats, but she showed incredibly poor judgement for a person in her profession.

I find this hard to believe because of all the private facebook messages and posts that get circulated around when someone says something stupid. The reaction would have been the same. All it takes is one "friend" to send the post to sam biddle
 

EulaCapra

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I didn't even know who Sacco or this situation was but... I laughed at the tweets.

It's the stuff equal opportunity offenders joke and rib aloud to their friends... but should never tweet.
 

Jarate

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Yes it does. And she should have known that.

Keep that on Facebook where you can make posts friends only.

She doesn't deserve harassment or death threats, but she showed incredibly poor judgement for a person in her profession.

No it doesn't

this part of any 101 writing class that different topics have different audiences that the author intends to write for people. Twitter might be away she talks to friends or others and that tweet might have been directed at them
 
You feel it's ok to possibly help further someones suicide all because of a tweet taken out of context that was never meant for you to see? All based off of your idea of what racism is and who are racists?
You're stretching this to be what you want it to be. She said something racist and got caught. I'm not going to defend the shitty things Internet people do for the sake of your argument. I have no sympathy for racists.
 
I wasn't allowed to fight customers while wearing my Circuit City shirt. My boss told me that I had to take the shirt off and take it outside if a customer ever pissed me off. This is the 2000s version of that.

Except it's an entirely different scenario because of the way social media has altered communication. Everybody makes mistakes, says off-color things. Now, the audience for those remarks is potentially millions strong, and utterly without mercy, remorse, or the ability to understand context.

Durrrr yes of course that's okay. If you're going to publicly advertise that your job is to make sure that companies are prepared to speak to the masses without making a gaffe and you make a gaffe to the masses, how do you think that will look to prospective clients of the company you also advertise you work for?

Setting aside that this was her personal twitter, not her job one, do you really think that it's alright for people's live to be totally dominated by their work?
 

Dawg

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The funny thing about internet hate mobs is that you just know the majority of those people will have made similar mistakes themseles. Humans aren't perfect. All it takes is someone taking something out of context and all hell is unleashed.

People like to be against censorship, hate, injustice and all of that, but when the moment arises and someone makes a tweet or a facebook message in bad taste, they'll jump on it like hungry hyenas.

In their quest for "internet justice", they do things that are much, much worse than the person they are judging. Everything turns into a black/white story. They're the good guys and you're the bad guy. It's a scary mentality and I hope to never have a personal encounter with an internet hate mob.
 

Jarate

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You're stretching this to fit what you want it to mean. She said something racist and got caught. I'm not going to defend the shitty things Internet people do for the sake of your argument. I'm just going to say I have no sympathy for racists.

You're literally enabling this behavior by taking this stance. No, you should feel awful for what she went through because it almost caused her death. Im sorry that your concept of racism is so just and fine that you can willingly accept that "this person deserved to get harassed and attacked" It's literally victim blaming over something that was literally taken out of context.
 

Metroidvania

People called Romanes they go the house?
Without utterly explicit mention Sarcasm in tweets rarely, if ever, goes over well on twitter.

Character limits don't care that you ran out of room before you could tack on an addendum.

"Just Kidding, I'm white", without a shitton of context, is not going to be taken as satire of someone ELSE's thought process, or that you're trying to provoke some deeper meaning.

edit:

In their quest for "internet justice", they do things that are much, much worse than the person they are judging. Everything turns into a black/white story. They're the good guys and you're the bad guy. It's a scary mentality and I hope to never have a personal encounter with an internet hate mob.

Yeah, it's scary stuff.
 

hitsugi

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One of Twitter's many, many (many) problems is the lack of filtration options and all or nothing style which comes of it. You either post every tweet publicly or close yourself entirely off to the public.
 
No it doesn't

this part of any 101 writing class that different topics have different audiences that the author intends to write for people. Twitter might be away she talks to friends or others and that tweet might have been directed at them

that's what DMs are for

If you say something stupid in what is ostensibly public, you do so at your own risk.

And no, I'm not saying she deserved to be harassed like she was, so don't even come at me with that "so you're saying" bullshit. As an adult, and as a PR person, she should have been aware that what you say in public can be heard/seen by anyone, and that those people might not have your backstory on hand when they react to what you say.
 
No it doesn't

this part of any 101 writing class that different topics have different audiences that the author intends to write for people. Twitter might be away she talks to friends or others and that tweet might have been directed at them

Know your audience*

*NOTE: Audience may or may not consist of friends and family. Tweet at your own risk.
 
Good lord, this is completely fucking ridiculous. That's not even the best part:


Just a cycle of people overreacting to each other.

The funny thing for me is I actually remember this one, serious discussions about this were had at another forum I read - heck I think there was a several page long thread on GAF.

Death threats, job losses and harassment over a matter which could have been sorted out privately. Oh I'm sorry didn't realise you were within ear shot or didn't intend to cause offence - The end, but the mob must have its way.
 

Shpeshal Nick

aka Collingwood
Good lord, this is completely fucking ridiculous. That's not even the best part:


Just a cycle of people overreacting to each other.

Sorry but I cant feel for her. A dude lost his job over a barely risqué tech joke because she chose to eavesdrop on a barely audible conversation.

Fuck that.

I'm not saying she deserves any of it. Just that I don't feel sorry for her given that she kinda instigated the whole thing by unreasonably getting a guy fired over nothing.
 

Stet

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Setting aside that this was her personal twitter, not her job one, do you really think that it's alright for people's live to be totally dominated by their work?

Her personal Twitter profile advertised her job. This is an online profile, that hardly constitutes your life being totally dominated.
 

Africanus

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I should note that while prior to reading about this woman and her career, seeing that tweet of hers struck me as very brash and somewhat offensive. It appeared, based on prior experience with racists, to be a genuine remark on twitter. Not to say that sarcasm and joking is not acceptable for even the elite of corporation, however there is a certain nuance lost on a platform that only allows for 140 characters that must be taken into account when posting.
 

HowZatOZ

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This is why I never look at Twitter nor have a desire to join the mass. Saying stupid remarks should be kept to yourself, and those who think others want to hear it are usually the ones to pay for their remark going public.
 
I'm sorry but one stupid comment should not warrant someone being fired. I really dislike that internet lynch mobs have essentially done away with the concept of second chances. Most people learn from their mistakes. If they are too dumb and keep making mistakes, that's when you fire them.

Actually, a stupid comment should get you fire if the comment was racist/sexist/homophobic enough.
 

jrcbandit

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The dongle thing was a real crappy situation, the guy just made a lame joke to his friend verbally and the women turned it into her personal online crusade, which in turn back fired on her. However, even she did not deserve the extremes that these online vigilantes/bullies go to.

I'm also tired of the trend of someone speaking their mind or making a poor joke, etc and everyone's first response is let's get them fired! There is no right to not be offended and stifling free speech is never a good thing even if what the person says is ignorant or in poor taste. However, if your job is PR for a corporation, making stupid jokes/comments online does reflect poorly on one's judgement in today's connected world, so the firing there was a bit more understandable if it was done because of her stupidity and not just due to public pressure.
 
What I think is getting glossed over here is that if we allow these ridiculous Twitter mobs in circumstances we agree with, we effectively sanction them on everything. Because the mob doesn't actually give a damn about right and wrong, only about stringing people up. You don't get to say "oh, Twitter harassment is okay here, they said something bad." Because next time, maybe they go after somebody for nothing at all.
 
She made a racist tweet and got called on it on a global scale. I have no sympathy for racists.

it was meant to mock racism....

i make absurd sarcasm joke like this all the time. I only do it with close friend because it requires knowing me to not misunderstand my joke. Still, i have sympathy for her to lose job and repeatedly harassed by mob simply because she made a absurd joke to mock racism. It was her fault to post it on twitter but does it warrant all the ordeal she has to pull through? internet surely is a scary place.
 

The Cowboy

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What I think is getting glossed over here is that if we allow these ridiculous Twitter mobs in circumstances we agree with, we effectively sanction them on everything. Because the mob doesn't actually give a damn about right and wrong, only about stringing people up. You don't get to say "oh, Twitter harassment is okay here, they said something bad." Because next time, maybe they go after somebody for nothing at all.

And this already happens, the great thing about the online mod is when they go after the people who did no wrong, they'll either try anything to make it look like they did do wrong or it stop it making the rounds quickly and move on to someone else so its forgotten about by the mod - all whilst leaving the person who did no wrong with all the crap they now have/had to deal with.
 
So are you saying that because she made a joke that was taken out of context she deserves to be harassed and threatened leading her to deal with crippling depression and possible suicidal thoughts

I hope people understand that this is far worse then actual tweet itself ever was

I made no comment on what she does and doesn't deserve. I have no sympathy for her. Nor do I buy her story or this NY Times fluff piece. She made a series of ignorant tweets and paid a price.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Predictos: in this threads lots of people saying "how dumb can you be" "things on the internet last forever" "its 2015 for gods sake" etc.

Well, it's true kinda.

The major problem is people stupidly putting their twitter accounts on public so they can reap the benefits of Twitters "open audience feedback." The problem is: If you make a poor-taste joke, that open tweet can be seen by ANYONE and anyone can then "be offended" and get you fired/backlashed easy.

Why people treat Twitter different than Facebook is beyond me. The only "open" feedback twitters should be PR departments for businesses. Anyone's personal twitter account should be closed to anyone they personally know or think isn't going to cause issues. This would also solve some of the death threats/Twitter harassment that happens to people.
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
Man, Twitter is like World Star for white people. So many lives screwed up for some cheap e-fame.

That is the best comparison I've ever heard for twitter so far. Holy cow. That's fantastic.

I feel like the article went whooshing over a lot of people's heads.

Or they didn't actually read it.

Or they read it and don't care / disagree.

I read this article earlier today, and was struck by how perfectly it summarized the unease that comes with this newfangled public vigilante mob created by social media. In particular, it echoed one sentiment that I agree with-- a lot of people are just not very good people, and get off on being a dick to others in the name of "justice." Some even allow themselves to believe that they are actually the "good" ones.

Sorta like a less extreme version of Light from Death Note, except now we have a million Lights with their Death Twitters.

Yep. There are even people in this thread who I'm pretty sure could get the internet hate mob dropped on them in a heartbeat who are defending said mob.

Its funny how everyone is like "I have no sympathy for racists!" Pretty sure everyone here has close family or friends who are hella, hella racist. Ditto for sexist.
 

Jarate

Banned
I made no comment on what she does and doesn't deserve. I have no sympathy for her. Nor do I buy her story or this NY Times fluff piece. She made a series of ignorant tweets and paid a price.

Yes, the price in this case was her possibly killing herself over something that you have no idea whether or not she was "serious" or not

You can disagree with her, that's is perfectly fine, but you are literally condoning this behavior.
 
The tweet was out of line, but I feel like the blowback and shit that happened afterward was way fucking worse.

Nah she got what she deserved as "Director Of Communications". I don't feel the same way for the other examples the author talks about, especially the immature dongle firing.
 
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