badcrumble
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I... did realize that you're intellectually dishonest and against accountability for the powerful, actually.
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I... did realize that you're intellectually dishonest and against accountability for the powerful, actually.
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Deleted member 47027
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The problem is 'getting him fired' is up to his employer, and not this mob justice shit.
badcrumble
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It's much, much more likely to happen if people can actually complain about a specific person, know that the footage and photographs that they have are of a specific person, et cetera. People can (and now, will) absolutely put a LOT of pressure on his employer to fire him.
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And now the employee can expect a lot of pressure on his real life. One reason why people post these personal details is that inside, they hope that some 4chan kid will select this particular 'injustice' (decided upon by youtube viewers...great) and go after him so they can feel some satisfaction. Ridiculous.
Exactly how is calling and emailing him and his superior, both of whom can be found here: http://police.ucdavis.edu/campus-services/support-services-division, and telling them that you don't support what they did and think it was wrong. How is that in any way mob justice?
Irony is he's the Lt for the division in charge of police complaints, training, and hiring. How about that business?
It's his professional information. It's public domain. What is the problem here?
Irony is he's the Lt for the division in charge of police complaints, training, and hiring. How about that business?
It's his professional information. It's public domain. What is the problem here?
badcrumble
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Yeah 4chan has killed so many people.
Probably by sending him pizzas and subscriptions to magazines.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
It's his work contact information. In the words of Manos, cry me a river.
Obviously he needs to eat his fucking vegetables. Go ahead and send him a pizza, via email, shit. It's not even like they have an address posted. His office phone number and his Police Dept email address. If you wanted to send a pizza to the UC-Davis police dept in care of the officer's publicly listed name, do it.
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Deleted member 47027
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Let's see what the mob thinks, via youtube comments:
"People should pepper-spray the cops."
"UC Davis cops are pigs."
"Paint-filled balloons make those riot masks quite limiting."
"look at the NAZI's putting their chemicals to use. There was no justification for the use of force or abuse on American citizens!!!"
"i absolutely hate the police, they are on a power trip with their 30,000 a year salary"
"The cops are ignorant assholes!!! I'd like to see them without the uniform and any weapons....and let's see if the act tough like they do in this video."
"there are more people than cops...i wish anarachy had happened. I wish they like all attacked them."
Mob mentality. There's people trying to have a rational conversation in there but...it's youtube comments. That kind of thing doesn't happen.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Exactly. So why are we taking them seriously again?
badcrumble
Member
oh my gosh what an irrational and crazy thing to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude Abides
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My god, YouTube commenters are saying mean things! I hope they have 24-hour security at this guy's house, he might get lynched!
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Deleted member 47027
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It's a little irrational. You're looking at video from one point of view and people are interpreting the law how they want to. The only actual judgment that should matter is what a court of law comes to. You probably think I have too much faith in the justice system, because me saying that opens me up to "well what about ____ who didn't get convicted" and on and on, but you have to have a certain amount of faith in the justice system for it to work, or you just have anarchy and frontier justice.
Angry Fork
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You should be ashamed of yourself. Not going to bother responding to everything else but honestly it makes me feel sick that someone like you can exist.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
No one's wanting to to tear down the justice system; plenty of people do, however, have a healthy pessimism in the system actually delivering justice to those sworn to uphold it, particularly in departments as notoriously insular as law enforcement. Public pressure tends to help the process along so pretending like the guy's work contact information being posted is some dangerous breach of privacy is silly.
badcrumble
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Well, yes and no. I do have *some* faith in the justice system as well (but not that much - it's got a well-documented bias in favor of letting cops get away with practically anything as long as they can claim that they felt threatened - it hasn't by any means solved the eternal 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' problem), but there are several sorts of penalties this guy can suffer: criminal, civil, professional, and personal. I'm not advocating for *personal* shit to happen to him. But he can suffer professional penalties even if this never actually goes to a court of law.
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Deleted member 47027
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You're the person who thinks that ANY cop deserves to get stabbed because of their field of work. Come on now. I'm standing behind the justice system and I hope it improves, but not at the point where cops are being stabbed by protestors. There's peaceful answers here.
For the record, the video APPEARS to be excessive, but it's also NOT MY CALL.
Some fringe members of the Occupy movements wants to jam the airwaves..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQnIiT6BbBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQnIiT6BbBk
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Deleted member 47027
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Oh god these multi-quotes are so nice.
I had my sites mixed up - another one I frequent -was- posting his personal information out there for justice, and I got my wires crossed. If the info posted here was simply to his employer, I have no issue with that.
I completely agree with this.
I had my sites mixed up - another one I frequent -was- posting his personal information out there for justice, and I got my wires crossed. If the info posted here was simply to his employer, I have no issue with that.
I completely agree with this.
Hey..the man chooses blind faith in the face of vague, undefined, theoretical dangers. It's not like rationality and logic could win the day, we got people killing and raping and shooting in the streets at every one of these OWS protests. College anarchists are coming out of the woodworks. We NEED the cops, or OWS will destroy America. So...sitting college students, beware. Pepperspray for America.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
No biggie. I, too, draw the line at posting personal information.
Angry Fork
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Posting personal information and ruining their lives is the only way to get them to stop, otherwise they get away with it and it's business as usual. At least that's the only way without violence. Remember that judge guy who beat on his daughter? What would happen if the 'justice' system was to make a decision on that instead of the video tape + internet?
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
As far as I recall (I could be wrong) the video didn't include a home address or telephone number. The judge was well known and the video itself was enough to put a spotlight on him. The people and the press have a name for this officer now, his anonymity is gone. Posting personal information (which anyone crazy enough to do something stupid could likely track down anyway) just ups the ante for the potential for violent reprisal, I would think.
I agree. With multi-quoting I can now waste time arguing on the internet 453% more effectively than before. Prepare yourselves.
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Deleted member 47027
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I do not agree with you that ruining someone's life is the only way to get someone to stop doing something.
Angry Fork
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Then he shouldn't of pepper sprayed college students sitting on a floor? If you do bad shit you hopefully get the consequences, I have no sympathy. The fact that he's a police officer (who's supposed to protect them) makes it that much worse.
Mercury Fred
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Unbelievable. He should be jailed immediately. He's obviously a dangerous criminal and not fit to be an officer, let alone walk the streets.
Dude Abides
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Releasing his name and work email is fine. His home address no and telephone number no.
Mercury Fred
Banned
I disagree. This scum deserves whatever the public wants to throw at him. He sprayed a bunch of peaceful students like he was spritzing weed killer on some unwanted plants. Fuck this guy.
http://gothamist.com/2011/11/19/did_the_nypd_purposefully_destroy_o.php
Did The City Purposefully Destroy Occupy Wall Street's Property?
During the nighttime raid of Zuccotti Park, the NYPD, with the help of the Department of Sanitation, confiscated the items that the Occupy Wall Street protesters had used to make the area home. Demonstrators were told that they could pick up their property, which was just moved so the NYPD could do some mopping, at a Sanitation building on West 57th street. However, there was no mention of what condition the items would be in, and Motherboard reports that computers taken in the raid were broken and dented, appearing to have been "smashed with bats."
A reporter followed Isaac Wilder, a member of OWS' Signal Corps, which was charged with providing Wi-Fi in Zuccotti, as he entered the Sanitation building to collect his property taken in the raid: a backpack, a nine-foot tall tower containing wireless routers, and $5,000 in cash. No press are allowed in the building, and Wilder describes the mound of personal affects as "a large heap of damp, mangled, cat-piss smelling stuff." He finds all the broken computers, laid out in a row.
A Sanitation rep tells Motherboard that he's "not surprised" that the laptops are damaged, and neither are we considering that witnesses to the raid described the "crunching" sound of the contents of Zuccotti Park being dumped into truck beds. Wilder didn't end up finding any of his property; it appears to be lost along with the items from the library, medical tent, and other portions of the park that accrued two months worth of resources.
But don't worry: if the protesters feel that their property was "mishandled or misplaced" you can always fill out a form. Plus, the park's floor is clean enough to eat off it (if you're a pigeon). It's all part of the NYPD's new cleaning service. You won't even notice they're working. We've contacted the NYPD and the Sanitation Department for comment.
Brolic Gaoler
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Oh the rush to judgement without knowledge of police procedure, orders, or context of the entire situation.
Shit's almost comical.
Shit's almost comical.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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LOL man you're a total loon.
Mercury Fred
Banned
And here's an account from one of the school's professors who was there at the scene at UC Davis:
http://gawker.com/5861100/heres-a-cop-just-casually-pepper-spraying-peaceful-protesters
http://gawker.com/5861100/heres-a-cop-just-casually-pepper-spraying-peaceful-protesters
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Angry Fork
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There is no context. College students were sitting on pavement protesting and a thug sprayed them with pepper spray.
The only context that would justify that is if earlier in the video the students tried to attack the police, in which case they'd all get beat downs/tazed/shot and hauled to jail, not pepper sprayed.
Should patience not be a part of police procedure? Were those members of the public protesting an immediate threat to others or to themselves? Of course not, so patience and dialogue should have been the police procedure in that instance. But of course not, those thugs with a hard on for authority were quick to exert force, and to defend their actions here.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well don't break the law then. They have to be responsible for their actions.
Also they only did this to criminals who they couldn't remove.
Uhm no it is not? Citizens pay for them, they are there to protect them and their rights. They can judge them whenever they want, it's up to the Police to explain their actions.
You're such a disgusting human being. Ugh, how can you walk around with such a mentality? People like you is why the world is such a fucked up place, no joke. Sucking the love out of the world and replace it with a broken and corrupt system of feudalism. Jezus Christ.
This isn't what the Police was meant for...
Dude Abides
Banned
Derp. Hey guys maybe he was ordered to pepper spray them, or it's standard police procedure! That makes it ok!
Shit's almost comical.
E-Mercenary
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Hello everyone. I was arrested Thursday while sitting down in the intersection of Pine and Nassau. Here's some video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM7unTfTfuo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I'm at 1:20, in the green jacket and black hat. I was very proud to sit down for what I believe in, and I encourage anyone else to do the same.
I'm at 1:20, in the green jacket and black hat. I was very proud to sit down for what I believe in, and I encourage anyone else to do the same.
Angry Fork
Member
Yea I can't stay in this thread anymore. Good luck to the rest of the guys in here that try to deal with shit like this.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
"No context," lol.
Also, you can't pass judgement on anything those police did until you 1. Understand the word context (which apparently you do not). 2. Understand the entirety of the context that lead to the spraying. 3. Know and understand the handbook/guidelines those police work under (for that specific department). and 4. Understand the law and what "rights" actually are.
Until you know all of those things, you and most of the people in this thread displaying what appears to be angsty youth rage will never have an argument, and no one will take you seriously. You're simply reinforcing the "generation entitlement" group stereotype everyone already has of you.
Mercury Fred
Banned
Your tax dollars at work:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
They did try and remove then.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Your tax dollars at work:
Taking care of criminals, what is your point?
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