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October Wrasslin' |OT| Dia de los Mil Muertes
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You bought into that?
Diva refers to a woman of extraordinary skill and quality.
I understand why they changed it. I prefer "women" to "diva," too.
But diva was neither derogatory nor disrespectful.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Many of the people they have are fine.
They just need to be better booked and not be quite so sloppy/dangerous with the big flying moves.
But the men need to be better booked too, that's not just a women's problem. But yes, the women's booking specifically tends to default to crap it shouldn't because of vince. I was not remotely impressed by the "miss piggy" jibe directed at Dana a few weeks ago.
They just need to be better booked and not be quite so sloppy/dangerous with the big flying moves.
But the men need to be better booked too, that's not just a women's problem. But yes, the women's booking specifically tends to default to crap it shouldn't because of vince. I was not remotely impressed by the "miss piggy" jibe directed at Dana a few weeks ago.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Zach's not gonna make it to Hell in a Cell, because tonight, he goes one-on-one witha Da Blood Starved Beast!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with SmackDown isn't anything to do with booking or the show. The show is fine. Its that there just literally aren't enough guys I really want to see because they're all languishing in NXT. I was really hoping we'd see some of these newer recruits like Big Damo, Tommy End and Adam Cole (that one is just a rumor since Cole is currently the ROH champion and under contract, but the rumor is that he was mostly out the door just prior to that) do the NXT thing.
Guys like Roode, Joe and Nak have no real business still being in NXT.
Guys like Roode, Joe and Nak have no real business still being in NXT.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Well I'd like Roode to get a decent finisher before he leaves NXT at least
newdayrocks
Member
I've only played the first episode. I dug it.
newdayrocks
Member
I'll agree with you, friend cr0w, that Eva Marie on Smackdown has been handled 500x better than Bayley has on Raw. Like, not even close.
Brian_FETO
Banned
Catching up on the last two episodes of Smackdown, watching last week's right now. I really like this Ambrose/AJ feud
EDIT: Picture in picture returns???? Can they only use it once every 3 months
EDIT: Picture in picture returns???? Can they only use it once every 3 months
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Dah Meltz said:
One could make an argument that the day that really led to the apparent death of TNA was Vince Russo first being thrust into the wrasslin' world.
FlammableD
Banned
wrestling is fake bullshit, intergender is totally fine when you don't treat it as something to get someone off
Some say the TNA decline started in 2006 when they rehired Russo at the same time Kurt Angle came into the company.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Some say that the TNA decline began when TNA began
with small spikes whenever scott steiner was talking
Yeah, I'm down with them trying.
Of course this is WWE so they'll fuck it up IMMEDIATELY, but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Maybe they can come up with something good.
avengers23
Banned
Here's Ryota Hama delivering a fat German suplex to Hideki Suzuki.
Bluekaveli
Member
This is the only right answer
FlammableD
Banned
I still maintain the Bucks vs Joey and Candice is a great great great match.
I've heard that line, and I've also heard it goes both ways, but I know Crazy Mary has done a decent amount of that, and they've looked at people like Kay Lee Ray who made a name mostly off intergender.
I've heard that line, and I've also heard it goes both ways, but I know Crazy Mary has done a decent amount of that, and they've looked at people like Kay Lee Ray who made a name mostly off intergender.
Lake Effect Kid
Banned
I apologize for not getting a kick out of watching women getting beat up by men like you. That's not the ideal future, sorry.
oh please. The womens in S1 of Lucha were well booked, it wasn't a beatdown that's the whole point you dingdong
take a chairshot
There used to be respect for the vets...
Lake Effect Kid
Banned
I cant wait to see Sasha Vs. Lesnar and Bayley Vs. Strowman #WomensRevolution
I know Vets are the ones that put animals down... But it looks like YOU'RE the one in need of being put down, old man!
I know Vets are the ones that put animals down... But it looks like YOU'RE the one in need of being put down, old man!
Lake Effect Kid
Banned
SAY THAT TO HIS MASK, ESSE!
Those are intergender matches, are they not..? Don't you want women on equal footing as men?
There was that one scene in Romeo Must Die
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I think that people's view on intergender matches really depends on how seriously they take kayfabe. I can certainly see how if you see them as simply actors with essentially wrestling superpowers, you might not have a problem with it, but on the other hand, the unfortunate implications are still there when you have a muscled up dude fighting a woman.
I'm on the latter side of this argument. I don't think it adds anything but the unfortunate implications, and men delivering stiff forearms to tiny women seems wrong.
I'm on the latter side of this argument. I don't think it adds anything but the unfortunate implications, and men delivering stiff forearms to tiny women seems wrong.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Bluekaveli can only emulate good posts.
Bluekaveli
Member
Go do your homework kid
Lake Effect Kid
Banned
I'm not sure what to tell you. There are men who were Charlotte's height and smaller who have been in matches and have been man handled by guys like Big Show, Brock, Taker etc; Usually results in a squash. The ones that stood a chance had more mass than a Charlotte. Hell, even the intergender shit Chyna did, or Lita was uncomfortable.
Remember a week or two ago with Charlotte and Sasha standing up to Rusev? How do you think that would have gone if he legit got in there and did his shit..?
I obviously agree kayfabe plays a huge role. See some of the characters we have to just buy as threats? Are we really to expect Sami stands a chance against Braun IRL? but we do. And I'm sure if they book it, we can have competitive matches with Sasha going up against giants like Rey and other smaller wrestlers have done in the past.
Still wouldn't make me feel any less uncomfortable seeing Brock take Sasha to suplex city. If you want men vs. women, you should expect to get everything in that package. Including Braun facing female jobbers. and Rey Mysterio David Vs. Goliath underdog stories.
That's the point I'm trying to make with my extremes. If you want that intergender equality, men and women on the same footing, you get the good with the bad.
i wonder if lake effect kid really thought spike was a woman
I picked that gif as an example. Because Spike is roughly average height of the women's Division. So that's basically what it'd look like if Brock just rag-dolled some of them.
This is why Chyna is a first ballot Man God Wrestling Hall of Famer. She did such a convincing job that she BELONGED with the men. Her wrestling is okay at best. Her promo work...not good at all! But her presence. Her believably. Through the fucking roof.
There were also legit fans who thought Chyna was a man at times.
People definitely thought that about Nicole Bass, but she did not have the same aura that she could mix it up with the men. She was more like the women's version of Reese/Giant Gonzalez.
Lake Effect Kid
Banned
It's just a weird thing to discuss without somehow looking terrible on either argument, honestly. Especially with something like pro-wrestling which isn't real, but pretends to be real? I dunno. Like you buy it in comics because super powers usually put people on equal footing, regardless of gender, age, height or weight. But if you were to set up a UFC fight against two professionally trained fighters from either gender, more often than not, the guy will win. But in the WWE we buy into Rey standing a chance to beat Brock Lesnar? But we wouldn't want to see some 125 pounder go up against a super heavy weight. That just doesn't work, it's not possible.
So how do we come up with a fine balance between reality and kayfabe?
Wrestling is fucking weird.
God dammit.
Lake Effect Kid
Banned
TNA is like a shitty shounen anime villain who just wont die.
Honestly, its the most regressive thing about the PG era. Men and women, portraying realistic super heroes in this fake sport, won't get physical. It's legitimately the one thing I miss most about the attitude era and the one bit of realism that detracts from the product. I could give a shit about blading, chair shots to the head, unsafe bumps galore, bragging about wrestling while concussed. But the idea that these over the top characters are stopped by the PG morality that says that one sex can't get in the mix with another is ludicrous. It's mainly self imposed too as the Beth Phoenix Santino stuff happened during the early days of PG.