YianGaruga
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sure they have a bit of a bromance going on
but anything beyond that is fan fiction
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Officer Chun-Li costume spotted in latest SFV beta, also some other lame costumes
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but anything beyond that is fan fiction
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Nope, but the perception is different.
In MGS2 Raiden has a section where he's naked but it's so absurd it's played off as comical.
In MGSV, Quiet takes a shower openly with all the dudes looking around.
Both are absurd, only one comes off as forced fan service because the absurdity comes directly from the fan service.
You can see both here and here. Never mind Quiet's entire thing, so her entire character comes off as forced fan service period.
Context and perception are particular things.
Despite being naked, Raiden's thing doesn't feel like fan service at all. Then again, his body is pretty cleanly toned, but again, it's just one area that lasts all of 10 minutes. Compared to a lot of female characters whose very existence is to get dicks hard? It's not even a comparison.
Lights and Waves
Member
Except they are and it's canon. Check your homophobia at the door, thanks!
OT:
Why are Rashid, Karin and Laura's costumes so freaking boring? They REALLY couldn't be bothered with Karin's...
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
YianGaruga
Banned
Pretty much what I asked last page
If the Raiden scene had Quiet instead of Raiden..
oh boy
dude, chill
I'm not homophobic, its just not true
Tbh if that happened people would laugh at you for calling it anything besides fanservice.
my guess is that these are story related. Rashid chillin at home or some shit. Karin at a classy party. Laura at da beach. Don't expect the more creative costumes until later IMO
Already Torn
Banned
Rashid's ain't boring! I wouldn't be surprised if that was a real alternate design for him. Karins is boring but nice. Laura's is bad.
ShinMaruku
Member
Great username based off a 60 foot long snake. :E
I like them. Strength in simplicity. Except for laura's
Lights and Waves
Member
Rashid's is literally a shirt and pants :'( It's not fair. I wanted something more flattering.
SixMachine
Member
Fanservice is still fanservice even if it is comical, because lots of things like Queen's Blade, Senran Kagura, etc. set up really dumb situations and end up in awkward positions.
The word fanservice people also keep throwing it around as a term for trying to appeal to the userbase via sexual gratification, but it's much broader than that because it's anything that would appeal to a fan of a certain aspect of the work they are playing with. For example, the cameo characters in the Smash series, like Snake in Brawl is considered fanservice, and references like codec calls in the game is a nostalgic nod to fans and it's not sexual at all.
I guess I never saw it as fan service since that section had me shitting my pants when I was young.
lucebuce12
Member
I like it though.
As I said in another thread, it's like he was just having a lazy sunday at home and left to get some chocolate milk when all of a sudden, some shadaloo guys jumped him.
Nope
Cindi Mayweather
Member
If a woman was fully 100% naked except she was covering her breasts and you played that section of the game for a full 10 minutes, would it still be rated M like MGS2 is now?
The way Raiden covers his crotch looks comedic to me. The scenario he's in feels comedic.
Maybe it's one of those situations like in a bad anime where the girl falls on the main guy and her tits clump all over his face, and it's an absurd fucking stupid situation but some people get off on that.
I have yet to see any girl or gay guy say that the naked Raiden section was hot.
If it did, they can raise their hands now.
I think, IMO, rashid is a total strawberry milk guy, wouldn't waste his time with inferior milk
lucebuce12
Member
If I was maining Rashid, I would totally throw down right now.
But as it stands, I accept that you're probably right.
M.Bison is totally a chocolate milk guy though.
and that's why rashid will be the one to take him down
SolidSnakex
Member
None of what you said changes my point. DoA became what it is now because of a lack of focus on the basic mechanics and balance. That allowed the focus to be pulled off the game itself and be put onto other aspects. That simply isn't going to happen to Street Fighter V because of what I mentioned. It's going to be the premiere fighting game once it's released. It's going to be the star of every fighting game tournament. Capcom have been beta testing it in some form or another for nearly a year now. From having it playable at fighting games tournaments or gaming shows to the actual beta tests. The focus is still clearly on the mechanics. They know full well that the game can't survive if those aren't solid. And they're so confident in the balance itself that they've said that they're only going to do about one major balance update a year. Gameplay will be what sells the game. Just like any other SF.
ThirtyPlus
Member
Strawberry milk is an abomination of nature.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Homegirl Cindy, you better than me, I wouldn't waste my time.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
There was also that guard that remarked how fucking huge Raiden's dick is when you lean against that torture rack and have a guard look at you spread eagle. I mean, they don't show it because that soda is in the way, but few games give their main character's penis attention like that.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I don't remember this. I haven't played that game in a decade.
I'm a masochist and today's a slow work day.
Does that....does that mean Satan in Dantes Inferno is a fanservice character?
because I can never forget that dick.
ShinMaruku
Member
I find it a bit wrong to say doa was what it is because it had lack of systems, it sells because of that stuff but I think aside from 4 it was solid with gameplay with 5 being the most solid, but I think they decided sales with the sexuality was the way to go. But I would never say it's to cover up the systems DOA1 was basically VF with more forgiving mechanics.
GamingOblivion
Banned
I liked this thread better when we were all thirsty.
The result of the thread about it should point to the validity of the claim.
YianGaruga
Banned
Raiden was aimed at Japanese teenaged girls
Anyone asked them if they thought naked Raiden was fanservice?
Anyone asked them if they thought naked Raiden was fanservice?
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
If you lure guard back into the chamber you were tortured in and lean against the torture rack Raiden puts his hands and legs back up as if he was still shackled to the device to throw off the guard. When that guard then looks at him he looks at his penis and says something like "Oh man, wish I had that!" Pretty cool easter egg. Makes me wonder which of the Snakes, Big Bosses or Raiden has the biggest, canonically.
Oh man, never forget someone probably spent a good workday animating that floppy dick.
Editng in a disclaimer for the record, I guess: I don't mean to argue Raiden is a "fanservice character" (whatever the fuck that means) just that there are a bunch of clearly sexual things about him and he was explicitly designed for girls.
Trickster
Member
I honestly find neither scene comical in the least personally. Quiet's sole purpose is being a fanservice character, we all know this.
Going back to naked Raiden however, I honestly don't see how raiden running around like that could not be construed as fanservicy. Yeah it's not in your face like in DoA or something. But like have been said multiple times, replace him with a female character and the discussion about whether or not it was fanservice would not even happen. Instead it would be a prominent example in one of Anita's videos.
Male power fantasy fo sho.
I don't care about fan service in games because I don't find any appeal in ogling animated characters, but I'm glad Capcom is just doing their thing and not prioritizing political correctness.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Have you played MGS2?
Trickster
Member
Nothing more manly than spending hours hidding in vents, boxes and behind bookshelves
I was being facetious for the second time in this thread. For the second time that failed to land, it seems.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Or having that tomboy Russian girl punk you out, lock you up and punch you in your dick before daddy chokes you for a few minutes.
Okay then, cheers. I mean, it's not like it would be unfathomable for someone to suggest having a big penis would be part of a male power fantasy, so it wasn't that clear to me, I guess.
Trickster
Member
It's equally hard to tell when males are sexualized or turned into power fantasies. I just can't tell them apart, it's a blur
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I don't even think that would even get to happen because if you replaced a woman with Raiden the game would probably be rated Adults Only.
Anyways, all of this Raiden talk is obfuscating my original point about male sexuality in games. Many - usually men - think that just having a half naked, shirtless guy means things are equal and that things have been tipped towards women's favor.
Raiden being fan service isn't the piont, and if it is, it's just one example among a handful of examples.
Also note that most female game characters that are fan service owe their entire existence to fan service and sexualization. In cases like Raiden, we're talking about exceptions.
My original post:
The purpose is intent.
Men being shirtless is a common thing, but men aren't seen as always sexualized when they have their shirts off.
A lot of the times the purpose of a half naked male character in games isn't sexualization for women or gay men. It's usually just the artist trying to make the character "cool".
Sometimes they'll be sexy but it's sometimes a side effect and not the main goal.
The main goal of Laura's alt is to get dicks hard.
Again, the difference is intent.
Ryu's topless here for sexualization or to look cool? More so the latter than the former.
Raiden is naked but he's not really done so for the purpose of sexualization. It's done for comedy.
THIS is a male character made for the purpose of sexualization.
or even THIS.
of course, this has the caveat that not all women are the same or have the same taste in men. I personally like tall, muscle-y guys, but even then, it's not like all men have the same taste in women either.
I highly suggest you read this thread before continuing further. Us ladies and gay guys have discussed to death in a fantastic thread months old.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1137134
What you're doing now is applying male sexuality to female sexuality. Many of us don't get turned on by the same shit you do or even in the same way. Deal with it.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
No? We've had games actually show nipples and get an M rating so I'm sure a woman covering her naughty bits with her hands (including breasts) would be fine for M.
Not to mention we were talking about a hypothetical since clearly having a woman in place of Raiden would never happen because it didn't happen. Thought experiment, yo.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I'll say that if there was a woman it'd be fan service. I bet you the woman's entire outfit would be based around her being sexualized, though.
But to be fair, there is Raiden's butt in that tight sneak suit.
NoctisVsStar
Member
mm that mass effect. Just an FYI this post is true 100%.
Not sure why Raiden is even brought up here as not being fanservice given Kojima's whole point of bringing him into the story is that. I mean someone just linked a clip from it a page ago which proves this.
This just goes back to my point that some Japanese developers (males in general) see their idea of what's fanservice and it doesn't naturally translate to all females. Capcom of Japan for example, I highly doubt their idea of what American women love in guys is going to be accurately translated into a SF game so what they see as fanservice for women probably won't connect to most of them. "
It doesn't mean some things aren't fanservice though, it just means their idea of it doesn't translate well.
This just goes back to my point that some Japanese developers (males in general) see their idea of what's fanservice and it doesn't naturally translate to all females. Capcom of Japan for example, I highly doubt their idea of what American women love in guys is going to be accurately translated into a SF game so what they see as fanservice for women probably won't connect to most of them. "
It doesn't mean some things aren't fanservice though, it just means their idea of it doesn't translate well.
Already Torn
Banned
Hmm, I guess we'll probably get something like that down the line right? I like that it shows that he's a normal guy and not like a genie.
Thanks! 😁
UnemployedVillain
Member
How do so people deny Raiden is a fan service character??? Comic nudity doesn't change anything. Unless all those harem anime with clothing accidentally being ripped off and people walking in on girls changing aren't fanservice. If you guys are going to claim fanservice at least be consistent and try not to immediately contradict yourself just because the subject is male
I think we're confusing the issue,
It's not just "fanservice", which could cover a lot of things (my favourite piece of fanservice for Raiden is the way his sword cuts anything in Metal Gear Rising) but rather, sexualization within a particular societal framework, which is a lot rarer for males than females.
However, I still think Raiden falls into that pretty well, so the point stands.
It's not just "fanservice", which could cover a lot of things (my favourite piece of fanservice for Raiden is the way his sword cuts anything in Metal Gear Rising) but rather, sexualization within a particular societal framework, which is a lot rarer for males than females.
However, I still think Raiden falls into that pretty well, so the point stands.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I'm not sure I get Capcom's line is that was crossed with R.Mika's ass slap.