Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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jeremy1456
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Scrubking said:
Stop being a drama queen.
Secretary: This letter comes from Indianapolis. It says, "Dear Nintendo, I think you should spend some money on advertising VC or people won't buy the games. The attach rate so far has been terrible--much, much fewer than one game bought per Wii owned. Virtual Console isn't doing what it could be. Don't you see the problem?"Meloche said:
Executive: Hmm, I think I do. Get me Reggie on the line, now. If we stop releasing games, they can't possibly complain about underperformance!
I'm sure it's coming. In September.Archie said:
And I don't want to think about what this slowdown means for when Master System will be making it outside of Japan.
SonicMegaDrive
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Wow, fuck this week.
So, I guess that just about wraps it up for the VC. 1 and 2 day weeks from now on, while Japan is still enjoying 3-4.
Yuck.
So, I guess that just about wraps it up for the VC. 1 and 2 day weeks from now on, while Japan is still enjoying 3-4.
Yuck.
evilromero
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1080 makes me happy but they really need to get back to three games a week. This is not looking good at all.
PepsimanVsJoe
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What the heck?
evilromero
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They haven't even cracked the NES/SNES/GEN library.Jiggy37 said:
Agree on SNES (in fact it was originally part of my post before I edited it out) and Genesis, not so much on NES. At least by numbers alone, it has loads of stuff available... A good lot of shovelware, admittedly, but that seems to affect all the systems except N64 (which gets by on the back of having barely anything up in the first place) to a lesser degree, and at least it's churning out a decent raw number of titles.evilromero said:
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I'll let Nintendo get away with a one game week for Link to the Past. LttP is essentially the definitive Zelda game and pretty much every subsequent Zelda game aside from Majora's Mask has essentially built off of LttP. I'd also argue that LttP has never been topped. I can understand Nintendo giving it a week in the sunshine, seeing as it's such a stellar game.
Even Romance of the Three Kingdoms made a bit of sense. RotK is an incredibly complex, niche game that probably needs the exposure to be anything but sent out to die.
But 1080 Snowboarding?
Come on, Nintendo. You know better than that.
Even Romance of the Three Kingdoms made a bit of sense. RotK is an incredibly complex, niche game that probably needs the exposure to be anything but sent out to die.
But 1080 Snowboarding?
Come on, Nintendo. You know better than that.
The Week of LttP was forgivable not just because the game was great, but because it would have entirely overshadowed anything else that released on the same day, because it was just a few weeks out from the five-game week of Christmas, and because it was just a couple of months out from the Wii launch, which obviously saw a huge number of games.
RotTK makes less sense, but it was still ten months closer to the launch flood than we are now--and, much more importantly, in its time it wasn't yet another indicator in a large series of them pointing to a stark and sudden downward trend affecting VC in every region. :/
RotTK makes less sense, but it was still ten months closer to the launch flood than we are now--and, much more importantly, in its time it wasn't yet another indicator in a large series of them pointing to a stark and sudden downward trend affecting VC in every region. :/
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Jiggy37 said:
Romance needed that one game week. Unlike a lot of the hideous shovelware that gets sprinkled into most VC updates, RotK is actually a good game for what it is, and doesn't deserve to be overshadowed by other games and fade into obscurity. I'm pretty sure that even Nintendo knows that nobody is going to buy those crappy old first-gen NES sports games like Ice Hockey and Volleyball, and they're just put on the VC as filler for the sake of completion. But RotK needed that week to get any sales at all.
That said, one-game weeks are still absolutely unforgivable.
EphemeralDream
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I guess Nintendo's employees are too busy playing games on the competitor's consoles to even remember to support their own?
THERE I SAID IT
THERE I SAID IT
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ethelred said:
Wait, playable demos of Virtual Console games in Smash is an atrocity?
How is giving the Virtual Console more exposure, particularly with said demos being packed with the Wii's premier online title, considered an atrocity?
Granted, this is Sakurai's volition and not Nintendo's own (Sakurai does what Nintendon't, as we say in the Dojo thread), but the end result is the same.
That's a little hard to believe. You see, Nintendo's attempted to slow down the future of gaming by holding back on the power of their system. Currently they're slowing down the past by preventing games from being re-released--and even when they are re-released, they hit the brick wall of zero visibility due to not being supported with any kind of semi-decent advertising. Taking all this into account, why would their employees be enjoying the present-day of gaming?EphemeralDream said:
Iam Canadian said:
Because it's ridiculous that features that should be expected of the service as a whole are being used as a selling point for a
lame
mj1108 said:
Not to mention the fact that people were expecting AAA games all the time, and Nintendo delivered that on a regular basis. Almost every major Nintendo first party game is already on the VC, and tons of high quality third party games too. I am dissapointed with only 1 game this week, but there are some people here acting like it will be the end of the VC. Unless someone owns all 196 VC games (or however many Europe/Australia has), then they shouldn't complain IMO. If there is a week with no games you want, try giving another game a chance (otherwise I never would have bought Super Star Soldier).
Conrad Link
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How dare Nintendo release 1 awesome game this week, I demand they release 3 shit ones instead!
I'm outraged! Surely it can never return from this! Mark this week down as it has single handedly symbolized Nintendo giving up on the VC completely, I can't see how its possible at all they could maybe, release 2 or 3 games again next or the following weeks to come in the future.
Inconceivable!
I'm outraged! Surely it can never return from this! Mark this week down as it has single handedly symbolized Nintendo giving up on the VC completely, I can't see how its possible at all they could maybe, release 2 or 3 games again next or the following weeks to come in the future.
Inconceivable!
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TJ Spyke said:
I would definitely contest the point that almost every major Nintendo first-party game is on the service. There are still some huge holes there, mostly on the SNES front.
And as for quality third-party titles, while that's a deep well to draw from, Nintendo has barely stirred the surface of said well so far.
I don't think anyone is really complaining about the quality of 1080 Snowboarding itself. (I never liked the game, even when it first came out, but...) The thing we have an issue with is the implications that come with these weeks of decreased quantity. We don't get a good game every week and there have been quite a few crap weeks with nothing worth playing, particularly lately. And if the VC releases are on a downward slope quantity-wise, then our odds of getting the good games that are actually worth playing decrease as well. This particularly hurts the systems with a meagre VC library like the Neo Geo and the N64. And with the Master System on the horizon, this leaves even less room for the SNES classics we've yet to receive.
Of course, the real question is if this is a definitive trend or just a mild aberration in the release schedule. It's not like we haven't received the occasional isolated one game week in the past, but this one game week (and for a game that's not nearly as good as LttP) is just the worst week among numerous two-game weeks we've gotten so far. The VC is probably the best thing the Wii has got going for it and I'd hate to see Nintendo squander the boatloads of potential it has.
Maybe we were just spoiled by the Super Metroid/Neutopia/Shinobi week.
evilromero
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I'm talking more about 3rd party NES. Duck Tales, Rescue Rangers, Metal Gear, Castlevania III and the like. There really is a long ways to go.Jiggy37 said:
SonicMegaDrive
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Conrad Link said:
You haven't been paying attention to the releases lately, have you? We've been getting 2 games a week since the beginning of January. That means, for all of January, we got a grand total of 7 games.
With a list of games that spans 6 different consoles to choose from, I find that pretty weak.
Now, it could be that they slowed down the releases for Jan because they figure not many people are gonna be downloading games right after Christmas.
However, for comparision, last January we got a total of 13 games. That's almost twice as much.
You know what games were released almost exactly a year ago from this monday?
Contra III, Mario Kart 64, Comix Zone, and Bonanza Bros.
That's 3 really big, classic games, and one pretty sub-par one. So obviously, January isn't the reason at all.
No matter how you look at it, the VC is winding down it's current library of consoles. Most of the games left for release belong to 3rd party companies, and a lot of them don't seem to want to commit very heavily to the VC. Though, I'm very thankful that Sega and Hudson have.
Will that change in the future? Sure, anything is possible.
But from where I'm sitting, it's certainly not looking too good.
I just wanted to add that by this point, I honestly expected them to starting releasing more games per week, since they've been adding new consoles lately. However, the exact opposite has happened.
And I can't help but find that disappointing.
Conrad Link
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I follow the releases every week just like everyone else, the point is to maybe not freak out and write the thing off completely after a few weeks.
I highly doubt Nintendo has the same thought pattern with this January as they did last year when the thing was only a few months old and they were still trying to beef it up a bit.
The VC is a year old now and its already filled with some of the greatest games of all time, what I prefer bitching about is how I don't have enough storage space to download them all instead of how for some mysterious reason they've released less games than they did last month.
I highly doubt Nintendo has the same thought pattern with this January as they did last year when the thing was only a few months old and they were still trying to beef it up a bit.
The VC is a year old now and its already filled with some of the greatest games of all time, what I prefer bitching about is how I don't have enough storage space to download them all instead of how for some mysterious reason they've released less games than they did last month.
cartman414
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It isn't that we're simply expecting more. It's just the potential precedent this sets.
Dragona Akehi
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Recent VC releases are a complete farce: WHERE IS MY FUCKING YS BOOK I AND II NINTENDO IT'S BEEN FUCKING FOREVER SINCE IT WAS ESRB RATED YOU COCKSHITS.
Oh, this is going to be a huge post.
Re: demos in Brawl...
If it was an idea proposed to Sakurai by someone else at Nintendo, I'd probably have come out swinging against it earlier (rather than saying it was a step forward). And it's not outside the realm of possibility, considering Nintendo did strongarm him into putting Roy in the last game for the sake of promoting FE6.
But ultimately I'm assuming (and I think most others are also assuming) it's the opposite case this time around--Sakurai proposing the idea himself, and then bringing several first-party branches on board for it. As for why that assumption, I can't speak for anyone else, but my reasoning is that the idea of doing anything to promote VC is a line of thinking which nobody anywhere at Nintendo seems to be familiar with. I can't imagine they would have even had VC on their minds long enough to come up with that plan.
Or at least I believe that's my reasoning. There might be a more subconscious form of reasoning, a form constructed out of necessity lest I lose my last remaining faith in the company's intelligence--which, in this case, means being forced to think that the great things done with DS were only a very happy fluke. It could be that I want to ignore the possibility that Nintendo was simultaneously smart enough to realize that a service they had in place could benefit immeasurably from some demos, yet also stupid enough to decide that, first, they should only make demos available for a select few games and, second, those demos should only be available on a retail disc. I'm not sure whether so much and so little logic and sense could be found in the same operation, but admittedly it's nothing I'd like to consider.
As for everything else...
I've owned it for twelve months and five days and well over 85% of my time has gone to either VC or Gamecube games, with sporadic breaks every three months or so for the likes of Galaxy or Super Paper Mario. This is not an exaggeration.
That said, I'm not about to play the "lol Wii has no games" card. Obviously it has games, since people are playing it. There are even a couple games I've been vaguely interested in but ultimately didn't pick up, like Geometry Wars Galaxies (which I'll buy if it ever gets its price cut). It's just that there's a certain system which I enjoy thirty times more than Wii, and its name is "DS," and it offers games for $30. In other words, I'm used to getting more quality for less money than the usual Wii title, and I'm enough of a "portable whore" (if such things exist) that I'd gladly take less horsepower and a small screen if it means more pick-up-and-play, more game time, and the capacity to buy more games period.
But even if not for DS, there's still VC itself. And honestly, despite all the complaining that so many people level at VC for the pricing--which to me isn't expensive by any stretch of the imagination--I can still very easily get 7+ games for the cost of a single disc that I won't enjoy nearly as much. And not only "can" I choose that route, but I do.
Or at least I did. I don't know how often I'll be able to do it if Nintendo keeps releasing practically nothing. This means they don't get my money and I don't get their games, which is a straight lose-lose.
On a personal level, I'm not sure what people see in 1080: I mean, it's a racing game with six tracks. But even putting that aside, since most people in here do think 1080 is awesome, I have to admit there's something to be said even for a week of three bad games. At least in those times we could be assured that eventually something good or great was coming, and that it would be coming faster than the current rate. There's only so much shovelware to go around, so when they were burning through games at a pace of three per week, eventually they'd have to hit something worth playing. At two per week, it's still true that eventually they'll have to hit something worth playing--but (all other things being equal) it will take 150% the amount of time to do it.
(No offense, obviously. You know you and I agree on a metric ton of things. >_>) Even if this whole two-game/one-game thing was dropped immediately and we started getting three- or even four-game weeks again, there would still be the matter of Nintendo having failed to advertise the service. :/ No way around it, they've been squandering VC's potential for quite some time.
Or at least I could if there were enough channels open for that. Technically I can only hold 42, but eh, that's beside the point. I don't know how people manage to fill up their Wiis unless they're downloading even more than me and/or they've rented games by the baker's dozen and overloaded the Wii's memory with save files.
That said, yeah, Nintendo really does need to release a hard drive. :| Or at least open up playing games from the SD Card. It took--no exaggeration--over seven minutes for me to copy Sin and Punishment to that thing, so I'm guessing the copies retain the fullest levels of encryption. I'm not sure what risk there is (other than the risk that people would start complaining about the time it takes to copy games to an SD Card).
It's also been forever since they rated Mega Turrican and Super Turrican. And Shining Force 2.
Re: demos in Brawl...
If it was an idea proposed to Sakurai by someone else at Nintendo, I'd probably have come out swinging against it earlier (rather than saying it was a step forward). And it's not outside the realm of possibility, considering Nintendo did strongarm him into putting Roy in the last game for the sake of promoting FE6.
But ultimately I'm assuming (and I think most others are also assuming) it's the opposite case this time around--Sakurai proposing the idea himself, and then bringing several first-party branches on board for it. As for why that assumption, I can't speak for anyone else, but my reasoning is that the idea of doing anything to promote VC is a line of thinking which nobody anywhere at Nintendo seems to be familiar with. I can't imagine they would have even had VC on their minds long enough to come up with that plan.
Or at least I believe that's my reasoning. There might be a more subconscious form of reasoning, a form constructed out of necessity lest I lose my last remaining faith in the company's intelligence--which, in this case, means being forced to think that the great things done with DS were only a very happy fluke. It could be that I want to ignore the possibility that Nintendo was simultaneously smart enough to realize that a service they had in place could benefit immeasurably from some demos, yet also stupid enough to decide that, first, they should only make demos available for a select few games and, second, those demos should only be available on a retail disc. I'm not sure whether so much and so little logic and sense could be found in the same operation, but admittedly it's nothing I'd like to consider.
As for everything else...
Other stuff to play? On Wii? No.mj1108 said:
I've owned it for twelve months and five days and well over 85% of my time has gone to either VC or Gamecube games, with sporadic breaks every three months or so for the likes of Galaxy or Super Paper Mario. This is not an exaggeration.That said, I'm not about to play the "lol Wii has no games" card. Obviously it has games, since people are playing it. There are even a couple games I've been vaguely interested in but ultimately didn't pick up, like Geometry Wars Galaxies (which I'll buy if it ever gets its price cut). It's just that there's a certain system which I enjoy thirty times more than Wii, and its name is "DS," and it offers games for $30. In other words, I'm used to getting more quality for less money than the usual Wii title, and I'm enough of a "portable whore" (if such things exist) that I'd gladly take less horsepower and a small screen if it means more pick-up-and-play, more game time, and the capacity to buy more games period.
But even if not for DS, there's still VC itself. And honestly, despite all the complaining that so many people level at VC for the pricing--which to me isn't expensive by any stretch of the imagination--I can still very easily get 7+ games for the cost of a single disc that I won't enjoy nearly as much. And not only "can" I choose that route, but I do.
Or at least I did. I don't know how often I'll be able to do it if Nintendo keeps releasing practically nothing. This means they don't get my money and I don't get their games, which is a straight lose-lose.
Even assuming we get back to two games per week consistently, that's still a 33% slowdown for the rate of good games getting released. I don't see what reason there is not to be disappointed here.TJ Spyke said:
Way to implement a strawman, man.Conrad Link said:
On a personal level, I'm not sure what people see in 1080: I mean, it's a racing game with six tracks. But even putting that aside, since most people in here do think 1080 is awesome, I have to admit there's something to be said even for a week of three bad games. At least in those times we could be assured that eventually something good or great was coming, and that it would be coming faster than the current rate. There's only so much shovelware to go around, so when they were burning through games at a pace of three per week, eventually they'd have to hit something worth playing. At two per week, it's still true that eventually they'll have to hit something worth playing--but (all other things being equal) it will take 150% the amount of time to do it.
Or the Donkey Kong Country 2/Streets of Rage 2/Blazing Lazers week. But, more importantly... "I'd hate"? You speak like it's a hypothetical.Iam Canadian said:
(No offense, obviously. You know you and I agree on a metric ton of things. >_>) Even if this whole two-game/one-game thing was dropped immediately and we started getting three- or even four-game weeks again, there would still be the matter of Nintendo having failed to advertise the service. :/ No way around it, they've been squandering VC's potential for quite some time.
No disagreement on that point, at least. (Good luck on getting the Disney titles, though--unfortunately, since they were actually good.)evilromero said:
Thank you. Somehow in Nintendo's world having a larger pool to draw from means releasing less. :/SonicMegaDrive said:
I have 47 games and I could fit the entire library on my Wii, minus any three of the five N64/TGCD games.Conrad Link said:
Or at least I could if there were enough channels open for that. Technically I can only hold 42, but eh, that's beside the point. I don't know how people manage to fill up their Wiis unless they're downloading even more than me and/or they've rented games by the baker's dozen and overloaded the Wii's memory with save files.
That said, yeah, Nintendo really does need to release a hard drive. :| Or at least open up playing games from the SD Card. It took--no exaggeration--over seven minutes for me to copy Sin and Punishment to that thing, so I'm guessing the copies retain the fullest levels of encryption. I'm not sure what risk there is (other than the risk that people would start complaining about the time it takes to copy games to an SD Card).
Yes, precisely.cartman414 said:
Well said.Dragona Akehi said:
It's also been forever since they rated Mega Turrican and Super Turrican. And Shining Force 2.
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Mother
EarthBound
Kirby's Dream Land 3
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Super Mario RPG
Super Mario Kart
Pokémon Stadium
Donkey Kong 64
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Pokémon Stadium 2
Dr. Mario
Dr. Mario 64
Tetris & Dr. Mario
Fire Emblem (all five of them)
Pilotwings
Pilotwings 64
Custom Robo
Custom Robo V2
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
Super Punch-Out!!
Kirby Super Star
Diddy Kong Racing
Mario Tennis
Mario Golf
Tetris Attack
Pokémon Puzzle League
Wario's Woods
Yoshi's Cookie
Super Smash Bros.
Star Fox
etc. etc. etc.
PepsimanVsJoe
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I'm going to look forward to the "no game" weeks which I assume are just around the corner...
Also Avalanche is better and can probably be had for cheaper.
The SSX and Amped games are better as well, and cheap.
Also Avalanche is better and can probably be had for cheaper.
The SSX and Amped games are better as well, and cheap.
Dragona Akehi
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Jazzem said:
It is?
Coulda fooled me.
Cheesemeister
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A Link to the Snitch said:
Dr. Mario is coming to Wii Ware. The NES version of Wario's Woods is already on VC.
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Cheesemeister said:
The inferior version of Wario's Woods, yes.
rollingstart
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As much as I like 1080 snowboarding, im not dying to play it or anything. Plus I have to avoid getting N64 games since I am out of space.
On the one hand, I'm disappointed that now we're getting only one game a week.
On the other, I haven't downloaded a game since Super Mario Bros. 3, and that was a week before SMG came out. I refuse to download any more games until Nintendo releases an HDD or expanded SD support.
On the other, I haven't downloaded a game since Super Mario Bros. 3, and that was a week before SMG came out. I refuse to download any more games until Nintendo releases an HDD or expanded SD support.