Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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nincompoop
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I'm just trying to understand your position here, do you think its ok to pirate any VC games that you feel isn't worth the cost that Nintendo charges? Or only if you feel that the developer is being lazy by not digging through the 12 year old source code and translating the 30 lines of text in the game? In which case you'd be ignoring the fact that they went to the trouble of writing a nice and detailed instruction manual for playing the game that explains parts of the gameplay in greater detail than what they could accomplish by simply translating the in game text. Look, I don't even have a problem if you want to download a game that is impossible to find anywhere (like Do Re Mi Fantasy was until recently), but now that its readily available for a cheap price if you still want to pirate it for some silly reason then thats just sad.loosus said:
cartman414
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If anyone's downloaded, is Puyo Puyo Tsu still untranslated?
I played through the first world of DoReMi Fantasy Monday... it seems fairly easy, other than being stuck for just a minute on those blocks above you. Overall it's fun though, and while I'd have preferred a translated version, it's still well worth $9. 2D platformers are few and far between these days, and it's well worth the small entry fee.
highspeeddub
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nincompoop said:
Do you think it is ok for Nintendo to charge whatever they want? Nintendo can charge whatever they want only because there are no alternatives. Why are there no alternatives? Because Nintendo doesn't allow alternatives. Do you think Nintendo has a right to exploit copyright laws in this way? We are talking about games that came out over 15 years ago. Their development has already been paid for, the profits have already been made.
You may say downloading the ROM is wrong, but is what Nintendo is doing right? Just because they have the law on their side, is it right? Nintendo aren't selling the games at their fair market value, they are gorging the prices. Ethicly you either allow Nintendo to exploit you, or you exploit Nintendo by downloading the ROMs yourself. There is no middle ground because Nintendo wants everything their way.
cartman414
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Or just download it/buy a copy and still play a translated rom. That would work, I guess.
highspeeddub said:
1) There are lots of alternatives. Have you heard of eBay? Swap meets? Thrift stores?
2) It's "gouging", and you do it to a person, not to prices. You can gouge with prices, of course.
3) How in the world is it not the "fair market value"? They aren't price fixing, are they? The games are being sold at the price the market will bear -- and, right now, that seems to be about $5, $8, and $10 each -- with a $1 "import" fee. In many/most cases, VC costs are much less than getting the same game through other sources, and that would seem to indicate that the costs are even below "fair market value".
Look, I'd rather the games were cheaper as well, but I'm not going to go about claiming Nintendo is "gouging" us by offering us the option of buying older games at about the same price you can get the used on eBay.
1) Nintendo has the right to charge whatever they want. We don't have to like it.highspeeddub said:
2) There are alternatives. Microsoft, Sony, PC, even on Nintendo's own systems. You don't have to play that specific game.
3) I don't see how this is exploiting copyright laws. Nevermind the fact that it's not even a Nintendo copyrighted game.
4) As long as the copyrights are still valid, the copyright holder has the right to profit from it. You, the consumer, have no right to put an arbitrary timeframe on their legal rights.
5) Downloading the rom is stealing. You don't like the price? Don't play the game. Two wrongs don't make a right.
6) Did you just call a one dollar premium price gouging? I was barely able to scrape up the ten bucks for Wii points, and even I'm not crying over one measly dollar.
JoshuaJSlone
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On VC they run at full resolution, in SSBB they're resizing them to 3/4 width so it looks the correct ratio stretched but is of somewhat lower quality. I prefer VC the way it is for purposes of clarity, but if Nintendo wasn't afraid of options menus there's no reason VC couldn't be doing both.ElFly said:
No kidding.JoshuaJSlone said:
You know, I have no problem hitting the Aspect button on my TV remote, so the squeeze/unsqueeze doesn't really bother me.
But the filtered TG-16 games do bother me. They're filtered even if you output 480i over composite. Blech! A checkbox to toggle the filter on/off would be nice. Hell, make it a cheat code like the "interlace toggle" -- I'd be fine with that. I'd like to play Lords of Thunder without murky colors and pixels, thanks!
nincompoop
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I finished it last night and while its definitely on the easy side, there are a few parts in some of the later levels that provide a decent challenge. The main thing that unbalances the game's difficulty is the wing boots, if you have them then unless you're completely careless you can probably make it through most of the game without ever dying. However, the boss battles (other than the first two) provide a decent challenge even when you have the wing boots and all three jackets. When I lost a boss battle I went back to the first world to collect the green jacket and wing boots again, and I still needed around 5 tries to beat some of them. Of course, if you fight them again immediately you'll have to beat them with just the red jacket, which makes them even tougher.BooJoh said:
splattergnome
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I just got a free Wii points card
and downloaded my first VC game - Yoshi's Story. Yes, I know this will probably cause me to be crucified, but I really enjoy that game as a nice casual "good times" game - compared to Yoshi's Island (which I love as well), which is more of a concentrated traditional game. And when playing YS on the Wii game again, I notice how -gorgeous- the game and some of its levels are - it does not look dated at all. I chose this game because my otherwise "casual nongamer" roommate remembered and loved this game from her childhood, and it is fun enough.
I will be getting Paper Mario next for myself, a game I have always wanted to play but has always been too expensive to buy second-hand due to its rarity where I live, and I think I might see about getting some more Wii points, although I probably won't be able to afford any until next month or so.
I have some questions, though: what other VC games fit the "casual, not frustrating" mode? I enjoy challenging games, but nowadays I like to vary them with easier games just to chill out a bit after a hard workday without too many frustrations, and any games which would be good for my roommate would be great, too.
What current VC games are good co-op or otherwise two player games? I remember Super C being a blast back in the day, but since I would be playing with an unskilled casual gamer, that definately does not fit the bill. Mario Kart 64 would be good, too, but I am waiting to see how the Wii version turns out - that one might be a better choice. Any good suggestions on games?
using one of the "wii points for free" websites
I will be getting Paper Mario next for myself, a game I have always wanted to play but has always been too expensive to buy second-hand due to its rarity where I live, and I think I might see about getting some more Wii points, although I probably won't be able to afford any until next month or so.
I have some questions, though: what other VC games fit the "casual, not frustrating" mode? I enjoy challenging games, but nowadays I like to vary them with easier games just to chill out a bit after a hard workday without too many frustrations, and any games which would be good for my roommate would be great, too.
What current VC games are good co-op or otherwise two player games? I remember Super C being a blast back in the day, but since I would be playing with an unskilled casual gamer, that definately does not fit the bill. Mario Kart 64 would be good, too, but I am waiting to see how the Wii version turns out - that one might be a better choice. Any good suggestions on games?
Shining Force is one of the easiest strategy RPGs I've ever played, since a party death will simply send you back to the nearest save point with all your level gains intact. I don't know how relaxing a strategy RPG could ever be to you, but to me there wasn't too much tension. Kirby 64 is mind-blowingly easy, so maybe get that. I can't believe I'm recommending Kirby 64 to anyone, ever, but these are some really specific criteria you're laying out, so... yeah.splattergnome said:
Bubble Bobble, Streets of Rage 2 if you play on easy difficulties... That's about all I can think of for enjoyable co-op if one of the players isn't that good.
Well, the Sonic games on VC right now (any of them) don't seem worth it to me when they're available in so many other compilations, so they wouldn't have come to my mind. But if a person was only looking for the one game, then okay, sure.
As for Donkey Kong Country, I thought it wasn't co-op so much as taking turns? Been a while since I've played that with another person...
As for Donkey Kong Country, I thought it wasn't co-op so much as taking turns? Been a while since I've played that with another person...
while i wouldn't call it easy, we're having a lot of fun with toejam and earl co-op: exploring levels, fleeing ridiculous enemies (since you mostly can't fight them), and grabbing loot to help stay alive.splattergnome said:
it's relatively relaxing provided you're not currently running from ghostly bogeymen, middle-aged dudes with lawnmowers, or mobs of office workers. it's quite slow paced, at any rate, and dealing with hazards is usually achieved by careful item use and precise, planned movement rather than frenetically mashing on the pad. also: the music is infectiously groovy.
it works decently well with players of uneven skill levels too - there's a life-share mechanic where you can high-five each other to split your current life between you, and if you stay close together, power ups one player use affect both.
Iam Canadian
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Ooooh. Some very nice stuff there.
Now let's hope we see some of this stuff soon.
Now let's hope we see some of this stuff soon.
PepsimanVsJoe
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GleyLancer eh? Good to hear.
Gleylancer will be bought. (Same for Super Fantasy Zone, but we kind of knew about that...)
cartman414
Member
Gleylancer?!?! YES!!!!! I've been so waiting for this!
I wonder what this'll do to the cart prices.
I wonder what this'll do to the cart prices.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
jiggy, iamcanadian, and capndrake are the kings of this thread. everytime i see it pop up they are inevitably responsible for the bump. cool dudes keeping me abreast of virtual console happenings.
This weeks update. North America got 2 new games, Europe got 1 NA-only game and 1 new game.
Games available in Europe and not North America: Mega Man (NES), Mega Man 2 (NES), Skate or Die! (NES), River City Ransom (NES), Mario's Super Picross (SNES), Super R-Type (SNES), Vectorman (GEN/MD), Crack Down (GEN/MD), ESWAT: City Under Siege (GEN/MD)
Games available in North America and not Europe: The Legend of Kage (NES), Elevator Action (NES), Tecmo Bowl (NES), Milon's Secret Castle (NES), Lode Runner (NES), Star Soldier (NES), NES Play Action Football (NES), Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels (NES, it's no longer available in Europe), Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos (NES), Zanac (NES), Ghosts 'n Goblins (NES), Ninja Gaiden III: The Ancient Ship of Doom (NES), Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV: Wall of Fire (SNES), Metal Marines (SNES), Pac-Attack (SNES), DoReMi Fantasy: Milon's DokiDoki Adventure (SNES), Ecco Jr. (GEN), Columns III: Revenge of Columns (GEN), Puyo Puyo 2 (GEN), Bravoman (TG16), Ordyne (TG16)
Total: 9 in Europe, 22 in North America
Australia/New Zealand is the same as Europe, except they have Axelay (SNES) instead of Super C
As for next week, i'm guessing either a NES game (last one was on 2/18) or Neo Geo game (last one 1/7).
Games available in Europe and not North America: Mega Man (NES), Mega Man 2 (NES), Skate or Die! (NES), River City Ransom (NES), Mario's Super Picross (SNES), Super R-Type (SNES), Vectorman (GEN/MD), Crack Down (GEN/MD), ESWAT: City Under Siege (GEN/MD)
Games available in North America and not Europe: The Legend of Kage (NES), Elevator Action (NES), Tecmo Bowl (NES), Milon's Secret Castle (NES), Lode Runner (NES), Star Soldier (NES), NES Play Action Football (NES), Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels (NES, it's no longer available in Europe), Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos (NES), Zanac (NES), Ghosts 'n Goblins (NES), Ninja Gaiden III: The Ancient Ship of Doom (NES), Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV: Wall of Fire (SNES), Metal Marines (SNES), Pac-Attack (SNES), DoReMi Fantasy: Milon's DokiDoki Adventure (SNES), Ecco Jr. (GEN), Columns III: Revenge of Columns (GEN), Puyo Puyo 2 (GEN), Bravoman (TG16), Ordyne (TG16)
Total: 9 in Europe, 22 in North America
Australia/New Zealand is the same as Europe, except they have Axelay (SNES) instead of Super C
As for next week, i'm guessing either a NES game (last one was on 2/18) or Neo Geo game (last one 1/7).
evilromero
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Good incentive to not release Pilotwings 64. Sucks ball if that is the case.Capndrake said:
Jiggy37 548beelzebozo said:
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Ranger X too! But yeah, VC is by far my favorite thing about Wii--I wouldn't be surprised if I had two times more posts in this thread alone than in every other Wii-related non-Smash Bros. GAF thread combined ever since the system was first announced as the Revolution.
You know, I was getting totally worried that I wasn't going to be able to achieve disappointment on March 17th since I already know that Ys Book I & II, Dragon Slayer, and Final Soldier aren't coming since they're not listed on Hudson's site, and I also already know that Shining Force II isn't coming since Sega didn't mention it when they made their earlier announcement. Then I got excited again because Gleylancer was rated somewhere and Super Fantasy Zone was rated in yet another territory, so maybe I'd have my underwhelmaton yet. But then I remembered that those are also up to Sega, so I can't achieve a truly righteous disappointment when those don't show, because they weren't mentioned by Sega either.
But then I remembered that Super Turrican was on March 3rd, so if Mega Turrican doesn't show soon to capitalize on having a close release (in the vein of Neutopia and Neutopia II), I can be disappointed and complain about that. And also there's the continued absence of Master System outside Japan. So it's still a wonderful life.
But then I remembered that Super Turrican was on March 3rd, so if Mega Turrican doesn't show soon to capitalize on having a close release (in the vein of Neutopia and Neutopia II), I can be disappointed and complain about that. And also there's the continued absence of Master System outside Japan. So it's still a wonderful life.
Super R-Type sounds like a solid bet for one of Monday's titles, since it's rated over here too. Good game, though I think I'm about full up of VC shooters for now, though Gley Lancer and Super Fantasy Zone could both make me consider an exception.
Actually, I really hope one of the next few weeks consists of only Spelunker and Super Pitfall. Then we could never complain about VC release weeks ever again because they could never be as bad as that would be.
Actually, I really hope one of the next few weeks consists of only Spelunker and Super Pitfall. Then we could never complain about VC release weeks ever again because they could never be as bad as that would be.