Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]

A Black Falcon said:
I don't quite get the constant Beetle Adventure Racing love, as I've said before in this thread. Oh, it was fun, but one of the system's best racing games? No way! It kind of felt like something halfway between Need for Speed and San Francisco Rush (2049), but better than NFS and not as good as Rush. Plus it had an incredibly annoying campaign where you had to play through all of the races in succession, a very difficult task. I don't know if I ever got to the sixth (final) track..
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...You were driving Beetles...that's about it. I mean, I love Vdubs, IMO if they wanted to release I new version on Wii Ware with old school Beetles and Buses, new tracks, ect. I'd buy it!!!!! ......never mind Wii Ware, I'd buy that on disk!!!!!!
Driving beetles is the only allure in that game, for some, that's enough.
 
1. Terranigma (SNES)
2. Earthbound (SNES)
3. Lufia II (SNES)
4. Ogre Battle 64 (N64)
5. Little Nemo the Dream Master (NES)

Either I never played them or never owned them.
 
I guess I'm probably the only one, but I had King's Knight as a kid and I played it constantly. I think I managed to collect enough of something to use one character's super skill on the final level once, and I used it, went "WHAT WAS THAT!?!?" and then it was gone. :D

Between this game and the original Legend of Zelda, I was one frustrated 6 year old. :P

But they were good times...
 
I thought I would run my list through here for feedback:

1) Akumajou Densetsu (superior Japanese version of CV3)
2) Famicom/NES version of Gradius II (this one's higher because it's already out in Japan)
3) NES Life Force (preferably the Japanese Famicom version, aka Salamander)
4) Crisis Force
5) Monster World IV, hopefully translated

Basically this is partly a message requesting more Japanese versions of games we got in compromised format. That and I loves me some Konami shmup action.
 
I'll ask for Earthbound for sure. I used to be completely convinced that it was coming, though its removal as a Masterpiece in Brawl doesn't fill me with confidence.

Other than that, I'll toss in requests for Parodius and Zombies Ate My Neighbours. I've still got two vacant spaces that I'll fill in later.
 
I sent in:

1.) Soul Blazer (SNES)
2.) Aerobiz Supersonic (SNES)
3.) Demon's Crest (SNES)
4.) Space Station Silicon Valley (N64)
5.) Fire 'n Ice (NES)

Barely missing the cut were Goemon's Great Adventure, E.V.O, and Little Nemo. Then I saw AniHawk's list and thought, hmmm, Lufia II isn't a bad choice either. And I'll have to be on the lookout for Golvellius, Crusader of Centy, and Popful Mail since jarrod listed them with two of my favorite games of all time (Secret of Mana, Crystalis). If I'm not careful, I'll have a list of 100 plus most wanted games just like Jiggy. :D
 
A Black Falcon said:
But doesn't it have like two lines of Japanese (plus the main menu), and no text or voice acting ingame? I'd think it would work fine... the game concept sounds pretty awesome too.

And why not Terranigma... it did have a European release, after all.
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I don't know much about Gotzendiener except for its concept (which, yeah, is pretty great), its genre, and that it wasn't released outside Japan. That'd be great if there actually wasn't much Japanese in it, to increase its odds of showing up. :D

As for Terranigma, I know about the European release, but it's an email to a US magazine. Thought I'd just stick to US stuff.
 
FFantasyFX said:
I sent in:

1.) Soul Blazer (SNES)
2.) Aerobiz Supersonic (SNES)
3.) Demon's Crest (SNES)
4.) Space Station Silicon Valley (N64)
5.) Fire 'n Ice (NES)

Barely missing the cut were Goemon's Great Adventure, E.V.O, and Little Nemo. Then I saw AniHawk's list and thought, hmmm, Lufia II isn't a bad choice either. And I'll have to be on the lookout for Golvellius, Crusader of Centy, and Popful Mail since jarrod listed them with two of my favorite games of all time (Secret of Mana, Crystalis). If I'm not careful, I'll have a list of 100 plus most wanted games just like Jiggy. :D
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I would have asked for Popful Mail so fast if its only English release wasn't on Sega CD. It's the biggest reason I want Sega CD support on VC--just looks so good, and unlike the Lunars, I haven't played it before.

And I was right on the verge of putting Crystalis on my list too, but I figured that it's a Nintendo release, so it's bound to show up eventually even if nobody asks. Or at least I hope so. I only played the GBC version and enjoyed it quite a bit, so I'd love to play the original that everybody says is much better.

Anywhere, here's Golvellius and here's Crusader of Centy. I couldn't find any gameplay videos of Popful Mail last time I looked (edit: referring to the versions of Popful Mail that were on systems that are currently available on VC, as opposed to the Sega CD version which has a whole "Let's Play" series on YouTube), but here's the intro to the TGCD version.
 
Sent my picks in:

• Crystalis (NES)
• Destiny of an Emperor (NES)
• Earthbound (SNES)
• Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (SNES)
• Terranigma (SNES)

Was really hard picking only 5... :\
 
AniHawk said:
1. Terranigma (SNES)
2. Earthbound (SNES)
3. Lufia II (SNES)
4. Ogre Battle 64 (N64)
5. Little Nemo the Dream Master (NES)

Either I never played them or never owned them.
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Little Nemo is not a Capcom-owned property. It was based on the movie, which was based on the Winsor Mckay comic strip. Thus, it will probably not appear on the VC.
 
Lufia 2 (SNES)
Soul Blazer (SNES)
Uniracers (SNES)
Ranger X (Genesis)
Recca (NES import)

was my list. I stupidly forgot Terranigma because I didn't look at the other posts here first. I would have put that in ahead of Ranger X, and it would have been my top pick. No Earthbound because I own the cart.
 
WiiRevolution1 said:
Another shooter!
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Shooting platformer not= shmup. I don't see what the problem is. We do have a bunch of shooting platformers on the VC, but most of them are great or classic games-it is nothing like the surplus of TG-16 shmups.
 
Rlan said:
BIO MIRACLE BOKUTTE UPA
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Apologies for the triple post but I needed to comment on this. I didn't recognize the name but the pictures in the link made it clear-I know this game. When I was a child, during the NES era, a local video rental store had this game, with an adapter attached, available for rental, with the name "Mario Baby" on the cartridge. Did anyone else here ever play "Mario Baby"?

I remember it as a fun though not spectacular game, but I will definitely buy it for the sake of nostalgia.
 
Speevy said:
Little Nemo is not a Capcom-owned property. It was based on the movie, which was based on the Winsor Mckay comic strip. Thus, it will probably not appear on the VC.
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I didn't know that's how it worked. I thought companies get licenses from such and such group to make an adaption for that particular medium. Aside from that, I thought Little Nemo was in the public domain now, and why would Tokyo Movie Shinsha (or whoever made the movie) have to gain by keeping a deathgrip on the rights to the game through their rights to the movie?
 
Jiggy37 said:
And I was right on the verge of putting Crystalis on my list too, but I figured that it's a Nintendo release, so it's bound to show up eventually even if nobody asks. Or at least I hope so. I only played the GBC version and enjoyed it quite a bit, so I'd love to play the original that everybody says is much better.
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Thanks for the videos. It's nice to have visuals to go along with the titles. I'm not sure Crystalis is going to be quite so clear cut. Unless Nintendo bought the franchise lock, stop, and barrel when they did the GB Color remake, SNK should still have the rights to the NES version. Whenever SNK can be bothered to released VC games, they seem to be focusing on their NeoGeo stuff. So, it may be a long wait.

What I would really, really, really like is for SNK to dig up their preliminary work on the cancelled Crystalis II and release it for WiiWare. I suppose I'll have to gift 10,000 copies of the original Crystalis when it hits the VC to have any chance at that release though. :lol
 
The GBC remake of Crystalis appears to be a joint SNK/Nintendo release. Although it was developed by Nintendo Software Technology, it was still licensed by both SNK and Nintendo. The NES original was strictly SNK.
 
I sent in:

1. Zombies Ate My Neighbors (SNES)
2. No Mercy (N64)
3. Super Mario RPG (SNES)
4. Samurai Showdown (Neo Geo)
5. Flashback (Genesis)


Flashback was just something that I pulled out of my hat from the games I remember liking way back when. Figured why not put something different on there...

(my real top 5 would list Zombies Ate My Neighbors 5 times, but that's besides the point)
 
I was bored at work so I figured why not:

1) Ogre Battle (SNES)
2) Warsong (Genesis)
3) Earthbound (SNES)
4) Terranigma (SNES)
5) Dracula X (TG16)
 
AniHawk said:
I didn't know that's how it worked. I thought companies get licenses from such and such group to make an adaption for that particular medium.
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Well, it can go multiple ways. Thus the dueling Lord of the Rings releases of a few years ago, with EA releasing games based on the movie adaptations and Someoneelseiforget releasing games based only on the books. I'm not a Little Nemo expert, but Capcom's version does look much more the style of "1990-ish anime Nemo" than "1900-ish comic Nemo".
 
I sent in a bunch of stuff I'd love to play out of emulator.

1. Earthbound (SNES)
2. Crono Trigger (SNES)
3. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (SNES)
4. Secret of Mana (SNES)
5. Mother (NES Translated)

ESPECIALLY Secret of Mana, since then I'd totally be able to get 2 other people over to try its co-op out.
 
Hopefully Upa means Konami has more imports up their sleeve. The second Goemon on SNES and all Parodius games (Although I think one or two were actually released in Europe) please!
 
What I am going to send in when I get home

1) Kirby Super Star
2) Earthbound
3) Mother 1
4) Mother 3
5) Kirby tilt and Tumble 2 for Wii Ware :D
 
1) Earthbound
2) Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
3) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
4) Banjo-Kazooie
5) Phantasy Star IV

my list > your list awesome.png
 
AniHawk said:
I didn't know that's how it worked. I thought companies get licenses from such and such group to make an adaption for that particular medium. Aside from that, I thought Little Nemo was in the public domain now, and why would Tokyo Movie Shinsha (or whoever made the movie) have to gain by keeping a deathgrip on the rights to the game through their rights to the movie?
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Yeah, it's terribly complicated. Because Windsor McKay likely created the strips work for hire for the newspaper it originally appeared in, it's likely that newspaper owns the rights to the strip and the license. You are right in that the license applies to a particular medium, and in this case it was a game cartridge for the NES. Releasing it in any other format (including even a compilation cartridge for the NES) likely falls outside of the original license and would require a new one.

This gets even worse. Because the game was in fact based on the movie, they would have to go back to the movie studio to get the permission, who would then have to contact the original copyright holder for their permission. For all we know, all of the copyright and license holders would LOVE to have the game rereleased... but there may be a point that it's not profitable to capcom to even assign someone to deal with the licensing issue let alone, let alone test the game and release it to sell a couple hundred copies.

this is one of those cases where I would really say it doesn't stand a chance.
 
Rlan said:
OFLC Update:

BIO MIRACLE BOKUTTE UPA
GLEY LANCER
SUPER TURRICAN 2
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Holy shit... I remember a local video store that used to exist near me in the late '80's had this game to rent and was titled "MARIO BABY"... it was a HK pirate version of the game. I never played it.

From Wikipedia:
"Bio Miracle Bokutte Upa had actually been slated for a U.S. release in 1989 - however, Howard Philips of Nintendo turned it down, saying that it wasn't good enough for the American market."

That really makes this sound promising :P
 
Capndrake said:
Is coming. (Only confirmed for Europe so far, but I don't see why the US wouldn't get it. III is also coming.)
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I know this. But they asked me for my most wanted VC releases, so there. *sticks my tounge at you*
 
leroy hacker said:
Shooting platformer not= shmup. I don't see what the problem is. We do have a bunch of shooting platformers on the VC, but most of them are great or classic games-it is nothing like the surplus of TG-16 shmups.
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And yet there is still a lot of awesome TG-16 shmups to come.
 
My top 5:

1. Earthbound (never played, just super hyped because of GAF)
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Mario RPG
4. DuckTales
5. Little Nemo the Dream Master

Yes, I know there are licensing issues.
 
My top 5 that I submitted:


Terranigma
Ogre Battle SNES
Far East of Eden 2: Manjimaru
Lufia 2
Space Megaforce
 
I will love to see bahamut lagoon (Snes) on VC, It was never officially released outside of Japan, so I love to play it fully translated.

No love for this game GAF?
 
leroy hacker said:
Shooting platformer not= shmup. I don't see what the problem is. We do have a bunch of shooting platformers on the VC, but most of them are great or classic games-it is nothing like the surplus of TG-16 shmups.
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Between the TG-16 and TGCD, the system had somewhere around 110 shmups, far, far more than any other genre. What's wrong with its VC selection reflecting that?

And besides, there were a lot of great 8 and 16 big shmups and run & guns... I have no problem whatsoever with there being a lot of them on VC. We need more of them, actually -- SNES, Genesis, Turbo CD, NES, Sega CD, etc. :)

borghe said:
Yeah, it's terribly complicated. Because Windsor McKay likely created the strips work for hire for the newspaper it originally appeared in, it's likely that newspaper owns the rights to the strip and the license. You are right in that the license applies to a particular medium, and in this case it was a game cartridge for the NES. Releasing it in any other format (including even a compilation cartridge for the NES) likely falls outside of the original license and would require a new one.

This gets even worse. Because the game was in fact based on the movie, they would have to go back to the movie studio to get the permission, who would then have to contact the original copyright holder for their permission. For all we know, all of the copyright and license holders would LOVE to have the game rereleased... but there may be a point that it's not profitable to capcom to even assign someone to deal with the licensing issue let alone, let alone test the game and release it to sell a couple hundred copies.

this is one of those cases where I would really say it doesn't stand a chance.
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The original comic strip is public domain now, actually. But given that it's based on the movie, that doesn't help much.

Jiggy37 said:
I don't know much about Gotzendiener except for its concept (which, yeah, is pretty great), its genre, and that it wasn't released outside Japan. That'd be great if there actually wasn't much Japanese in it, to increase its odds of showing up. :D.
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Yeah, the actual gameplay has absolutely no text, Japanese or otherwise, and the game has no voice acting. As far as I know the only text is a tiny bit in the intro and the main menu options... given the quite interesting premise, it'd be nice to see.
 
Awesome poll for once.

Here's my pick:

Aero Fighters II (NGEO)
Secret of Mana (SNES)
Ogre Battle 64 (N64)
Dracula X (TG16CD)
Earthbound (SNES)

I would have included Pitfall II lost Caverns' Sega's arcade port version for SGK1000 if I didn't know for sure that if there ever was an impossible release, well that'd be it. :-/
Sega's awesome rendition of the franchise was infinitely better then what Activion had in mind for the 16-bit generation... shame we were never graced with a proper home port of Sega's Pitfall II coin'op.
 
My list

Super Mario Kart
Bangai-O
Earthbound
Lufia 2
Quackshot Starring Donald

Good to see love for the Disney Mega Drive games, even if their VC chances are slim :(
 
WiiRevolution1 said:
Another shooter!

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO

*calms*

Uh.....so what happened to that thing called "Virtual Console"? It had a good variety of games till November 2007 then after that they went all bad...
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WTF are you talking about? Turrican franchise and R-Type/Thunders/Soldiers shmup are like apples/oranges.
It's a great game, and the only thing you can maybe compare it to on VC is to something like Gunstar Heroes.
And besides, you were a videogamer then you'd remember that VC is actually reflecting it pretty well, even though it's pretty clear it's a bit light on the platformers' side comparing it to the 16-bit era: you have to consider though that a shit-ton of the great ones were tied to other franchises and that's why they're not showing up yet or maybe ever (Mickey Mouse, Aladdin, Super Star Wars...).
 
1. Super Mario Kart
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Mario RPG
4. Earthbound
5. Wii HardDrive Samurai Shodown 2 (always wanted to play this series)

I should have put Yoshi's Island up though :(.
 
WiiRevolution1 said:
Another shooter!

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO

*calms*

Uh.....so what happened to that thing called "Virtual Console"? It had a good variety of games till November 2007 then after that they went all bad...
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I don't know what you're going on about. The quantity dropped, yes, and that was a horrible, horrible move by Nintendo. Terrible.
But variety? Since December 2007 we've had fighting games, platformers, puzzle games, space shooters, run 'n' guns, Zelda clones, RPGs, action games, and sims.
 
Jiggy37 said:
I don't know what you're going on about. The quantity dropped, yes, and that was a horrible, horrible move by Nintendo. Terrible.
But variety? Since December 2007 we've had fighting games, platformers, puzzle games, space shooters, run 'n' guns, Zelda clones, RPGs, action games, and sims.
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In all fairness, I imagine it's easier for games to get more attention when they're released on their own or with another. I remember an EU release last year with five or six Mega Drive games, and out of them Sonic 3 was the only one that charted on the Popular Games (Although Ghouls 'n Ghosts may have appeared very briefly).

At the same time, it may be causing people to lose interest in the VC. But if a game is released that people want, they'll still buy it (My friend, for instance, lost interest until Super R-Type went up, he's a huge R-Type fan).
 
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