Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]
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Stumpokapow
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Nintendo Press said:
Not sure what Space Invaders: TOG offers, but I'm guessing it's not worth 1000 points. Still, seeing how long Pac-Man has been in the VC top 20, there's probably money to be made on this.
If anybody wants an authentic Space Invaders experience, just play the GB version on a Super GameBoy.
If anybody wants an authentic Space Invaders experience, just play the GB version on a Super GameBoy.
joedick said:
Actually, I think this might be the same game...
The Super Game Boy Space Invaders had an SNES ROM inside that could be played instead of the Game Boy version. I'm suspicious that the SNES Space Invaders is exactly the same as the SNES ROM of Space Invaders on the SGB cart, but I've never been able to determine whether that is the case or not.
Does anyone know? I'd have to go dig out my Super Game Boy to be sure...
crowphoenix
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I feel like I've played Forgotten Worlds, but I've forgotten what it is. Seems fitting.
Ah... according to http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Space_Invaders/Versions#Game_Boy_.26_Super_Game_Boy , the Super Game Boy Space Invaders -does- contain the entire SNES Space Invaders ROM.
I feel slightly vindicated.
I feel slightly vindicated.
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Horrid.
FFantasyFX
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pakkit said:
joedick said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the new WiiWare game is nothing like the original Space Invaders, right? And I think I remember actually hearing good things about the SNES title (btw - that would make it 800 points
) Maybe still not worth the points, but not a bad title and probably a good way to gin up interest in the WiiWare title.JoshuaJSlone
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All you need to know?crowphoenix said:
EDIT: And Space Invaders isn't all bad... I just wish that for arcade classics like Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, and Space Invaders we didn't have to settle for emulated console conversions.
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I was never much of a fan of the original Space Invaders. For me, it's Space Invaders Extreme or nothing. 
I won't be buying anything this week, unless Forgotten Worlds is a lot better than the PR makes it seem. Still, in the hopes of being optimistic, um...at least we got two VC games this week!
I won't be buying anything this week, unless Forgotten Worlds is a lot better than the PR makes it seem. Still, in the hopes of being optimistic, um...at least we got two VC games this week!
forgotten worlds is a neat game, but the genesis port is severely lacking -- it's missing a stage, it's missing elements from the stages it retains, it's much easier than the arcade game, and the controls aren't great. if you're interested, it's on one of those ps2 compilations
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I agree. Get Capcom Classic Collection (either 1 or 2) before you get this port. It's ok for when it was released, but as a VC title, your only cheating yourself if you can play PS2 games. I think this and Strider are on the same disc.drohne said:
In fact, I believe that screen posted above is from the arcade version
Capcom Classics Collection port of Forgotten Worlds is really good, if not 100% arcade perfect it's 99.999% It's got 10x the color of the MD/Gen version, all the missing detail, massive amount of sprites in the later levels, etc. It's the CPS arcade game
available on:
PS2/Xbox ( CCC Vol 1)
PSP (CCC Remixed)
available on:
PS2/Xbox ( CCC Vol 1)
PSP (CCC Remixed)
twinturbo2
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I'll have to admit, Target Toss Pro: Bags looks interesting. I wonder if Incredible Technologies will offer a WiiWare version of Silver Strike Bowling next, or maybe even an old Golden Tee Golf game...
Cheesemeister
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Hey, I've got a couple quick questions for people in this thread:
1. Do you read the Wikipedia article List of Virtual Console games (North America), or some variant thereof?
2. Do you consider ESRB-rated titles to be reliable in terms of listing upcoming VC titles?
3. Is such a list of ESRB-rated titles valuable information to you?
1. Do you read the Wikipedia article List of Virtual Console games (North America), or some variant thereof?
2. Do you consider ESRB-rated titles to be reliable in terms of listing upcoming VC titles?
3. Is such a list of ESRB-rated titles valuable information to you?
EphemeralDream
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1. Useful for gathering the number of titles currently available though. VC-reviews is better in terms of listing past releases.Cheesemeister said:
2. About as reliable as it can get. PEGI listings, JP releases, etc. are all used to gather what may be coming up but all these services, ESRB included, have created false hope at one time or another (think there's only a few noteworthy games left idling on the ESRB list though).
3. (looks at current article) I think using an ESRB-rating as a qualifier for a game being an upcoming release has proven valid enough to be worth showing.
1. Not often. VC-Reviews is better for already-released titles, but occasionally I do check for ESRB-rated stuff.Cheesemeister said:
2. Not reliable enough to be listed on Wikipedia, at least, due to Nintendo's rather bizarre treatment of VC.
3. Yes, just not in any sort of way that would indicate that things are definitively upcoming. It's valuable information in that it proves that strange issues with VC are constantly going on. :/
A Link to the Past
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Cheesemeister said:
1. Yup!
2. The ESRB is a source only to say that a game exists. Not that it is going to be released.
3. It is valuable, but not on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate source of information, after all. The usefulness of information is often mistaken as being universal - a list of vehicles in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City is useful information, even valuable to some, but it doesn't belong on Wikipedia.
Cheesemeister
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A Link to the Snitch said:
Do you personally interpret VC-eligible games being rated under "Wii" on the ESRB database to mean that a particular title is slated for release? Do you believe that Earthbound will be released on the VC at some point?
A Link to the Past
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Cheesemeister said:
I believe that they're considering it. However, my personal beliefs have no weight on the ESRB as a source - that a game is rated by the ESRB is of note in a related article, but not as an assertion that it will be released.
Cheesemeister
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A Link to the Snitch said:
Given the pattern we've seen of ESRB rating --> release, surely it bears mentioning. Not to do so seems negligent. And if I'm not mistaken, I've already debated you about this.
So the VC (and Wii) is officially 2 years old. What are people's thoughts and expectations going forward?
For me, I feel that they have done a good job fishing out a wide variety of stuff that I never would have expected. The breadth is quite good, everything from the AAA first-class stuff to the obscure hidden gems to the nostalgic shovelware. Granted that it has been a slow and steady pace but none-the-less it continues to improve week-on-week without fail (well except that one week with Wiiware).
My primary criticisms are that should definitely do some re-pricing of the less-than-stellar games and I'd really like to see 4 dowloadables per week at least going forward. Dropping a whole catalog at once wouldn't help me anymore than it'd help Nintendo but a good consistent rhythm would be nice. 2 VC and 2 Wiiware seems like a good number for now.
I also hope that Nintendo's new SD card storage system will be seamless enough to be a good workaround for the fridge problem.
By System:
NES:
I feel NES is more-or-less cleaned out. The current lineup seems to be a Mega Man a month so that should finish up quickly. Castlevania 3 is in the pipe and Nintendo's own works are worn down to only a small few. I only expect a little more out of here, and I hope that it can be prolonged with some imports.
SNES:
It's getting there but there's still a wealth of stuff. Square-Enix had a nice surprise in Secret of Mana but it's too bad they'll pass up VC incarnations of their most beloved games for DS remakes. I think the main thing that needs to happen here is to get those SuperFX chip games up there. Capcom will hopefully transition from NES Mega Man to the X series too.
N64:
One of the slowest releasers, it really needs some extra attention to pump the games out. Perhaps once the systems nearing saturation get far enough alone we can start seeing more from this. Specifically, 3rd party support is thus far non-existent. This really needs improvement.
Sega Master System:
Entirely too slow on releases given it's power. They should be averaging at least 3 games a month, not 1. Defintaely needs to pick up the pace.
Sega Genesis:
Also with the NES as being close to tapped out. Phantasy Star IV should be coming up soon. I hope here that Sega can transition into 32X and Sega CD games as easily as Hudson did once this one starts winding down.
TurboGrafx-16 / Turbo CD:
I'm not an expert here but this one also looks pretty saturated. More than any other console this one has the most of its library released by percent. There's more out there for Turbo CD like Dracula X but I'm not sure what else to really expect. The SuperGrafx titles can easily be blazed through too being only 5, hopefully that will happen next year. Good job Hudson.
NeoGeo:
Was doing good and then just stopped. D4 needs to work a little more, there's way more to do here.
MSX:
I took 1.5 years for the first 2 announced titles to even release and the 3rd has been delayed over 6 months. Definitely mishandled. Where are the games? Also, this needs to see some release in other territories.
Commodore 64:
Looks like it is doing well in Europe moving at a decent pace. North America needs that same love though.
Overall:
More Western devs. I don't know if they are holding out for their own services or what but it's depressing seeing all this Japanese awesomeness and only a few westerners up there.
The DSi Factor:
I feel this is key to the continued interest and success of the VC. However, given the way the shop and systems are designed it seems destined to be less than it should as they may not interact with each other. I'm confident in seeing something like a "Virtual Portable" on the DSi but that would be only a unsatisfying consolation prize to a true cross console service that lets portable games and console games be played on either. If handle right the DSi could be like an iPod for games, a whole collection in your pocket.
267 down lots to go, let's see some current wishlists.
For me, I feel that they have done a good job fishing out a wide variety of stuff that I never would have expected. The breadth is quite good, everything from the AAA first-class stuff to the obscure hidden gems to the nostalgic shovelware. Granted that it has been a slow and steady pace but none-the-less it continues to improve week-on-week without fail (well except that one week with Wiiware).
My primary criticisms are that should definitely do some re-pricing of the less-than-stellar games and I'd really like to see 4 dowloadables per week at least going forward. Dropping a whole catalog at once wouldn't help me anymore than it'd help Nintendo but a good consistent rhythm would be nice. 2 VC and 2 Wiiware seems like a good number for now.
I also hope that Nintendo's new SD card storage system will be seamless enough to be a good workaround for the fridge problem.
By System:
NES:
I feel NES is more-or-less cleaned out. The current lineup seems to be a Mega Man a month so that should finish up quickly. Castlevania 3 is in the pipe and Nintendo's own works are worn down to only a small few. I only expect a little more out of here, and I hope that it can be prolonged with some imports.
SNES:
It's getting there but there's still a wealth of stuff. Square-Enix had a nice surprise in Secret of Mana but it's too bad they'll pass up VC incarnations of their most beloved games for DS remakes. I think the main thing that needs to happen here is to get those SuperFX chip games up there. Capcom will hopefully transition from NES Mega Man to the X series too.
N64:
One of the slowest releasers, it really needs some extra attention to pump the games out. Perhaps once the systems nearing saturation get far enough alone we can start seeing more from this. Specifically, 3rd party support is thus far non-existent. This really needs improvement.
Sega Master System:
Entirely too slow on releases given it's power. They should be averaging at least 3 games a month, not 1. Defintaely needs to pick up the pace.
Sega Genesis:
Also with the NES as being close to tapped out. Phantasy Star IV should be coming up soon. I hope here that Sega can transition into 32X and Sega CD games as easily as Hudson did once this one starts winding down.
TurboGrafx-16 / Turbo CD:
I'm not an expert here but this one also looks pretty saturated. More than any other console this one has the most of its library released by percent. There's more out there for Turbo CD like Dracula X but I'm not sure what else to really expect. The SuperGrafx titles can easily be blazed through too being only 5, hopefully that will happen next year. Good job Hudson.
NeoGeo:
Was doing good and then just stopped. D4 needs to work a little more, there's way more to do here.
MSX:
I took 1.5 years for the first 2 announced titles to even release and the 3rd has been delayed over 6 months. Definitely mishandled. Where are the games? Also, this needs to see some release in other territories.
Commodore 64:
Looks like it is doing well in Europe moving at a decent pace. North America needs that same love though.
Overall:
More Western devs. I don't know if they are holding out for their own services or what but it's depressing seeing all this Japanese awesomeness and only a few westerners up there.
The DSi Factor:
I feel this is key to the continued interest and success of the VC. However, given the way the shop and systems are designed it seems destined to be less than it should as they may not interact with each other. I'm confident in seeing something like a "Virtual Portable" on the DSi but that would be only a unsatisfying consolation prize to a true cross console service that lets portable games and console games be played on either. If handle right the DSi could be like an iPod for games, a whole collection in your pocket.
267 down lots to go, let's see some current wishlists.
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Cheesemeister said:
1.) At least once a month, sometimes more often. Like others in this thread, I primarily consult the North American (+ PAL & Japanese) VC lists for anticipated future titles, not currently released games.
2.) Semi-reliable. I take a rating to mean that the game is under serious consideration for release. However, I don't assume release is imminent or even scheduled for this decade (see the ESRB Earthbound rating & European rating for Strider for example - both have been sitting there for some time).
3.) In conjuction with reviewing games released in other territories, ESRB/PEGI/OFLC/USK ratings are the best indicators this side of tea leaf reading. In other words, nowhere near satisfactory, but it's the best we got.
evil_robot_ted
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I've been lurking in this thread for over a year, and I'm posting my first comment to reply to this, specifically.Somnid said:
In a word, HOLY_CRAP.
I was pretty tepid about the DSi and it's features, but I can't believe I never considered this function. I mean, I knew about the demo downloads and DSi / Wii interaction, but if the VC isn't included you're right, it'd be a damn shame.
I bought a Wii exclusively because of the VC, and I'd do the same for the DSi in a heartbeat.
Related replies period:
2. Not really.
3. Not particularly.
2 letters (MD) versus 3 letters (Gen) and title retail is precious; for the times when the same game pops up in multiple territories; and because I felt like it. >DavidDayton said:
That thread doesn't get nearly as much activity as this thread (but it's not locked tho); also, I don't follow Wiiware, only VC.DavidDayton said:
1. I only follow this thread.Cheesemeister said:
2. Not really.
3. Not particularly.
Well, I was merely mentioning that I sometimes list new WW titles that should be worth mentioning, but this is still the VC thread and that's what 'most' of the conversation should be about, even if it consists of guys bitching about long droughts of crappy weeks.
There's really nothing stopping anyone from bumping the official WW thread to talk about updates.
There's really nothing stopping anyone from bumping the official WW thread to talk about updates.
FFantasyFX
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lyre said:
I believe 12:00 am Central European Time Friday, which ends up 6:00 pm Thursday Eastern Standard time, 3:00 pm Thursday Pacific Standard Time.
1. Yes, typically once or twice a week or so. I've done some occasional minor edits on that page and others (adding dates, ESRB ratings, removing blatant false info etc.). I was also the one who posted the question about the peculiar "Star Parodius" rating on the discussion page.
2. Somewhat, to the extent of something like "the publisher in question has considered putting up this game at some future time".
3. Yes, I do think the article should list them. I like the way it is currently, with the list of officially announced games, followed by the list of ESRB titles, with an appropriate disclaimer that ESRB ratings are not a sure-fire sign of a pending release.
Throwaway123456789
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So what did Europe get today?
Vinterbird
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FoxHimself said:
WiiWare week:
Art Style: CUBELLO - 600 Wii Points (any good?)
CueSports - Snooker vs Billards- 800 Wii Points
Strong Bad Episode 3 - Baddest of the Bands 1000 Wii Points
Yummy Yummy Cooking Jam - 1000 Wii Points
Coolio McAwesome
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Somnid said:
I don't think the NES is even close to being cleaned out. There's a lot of great games that haven't been released yet, including: Castlevana III, Contra, Mega Man 4-6, Crystalis, Metal Gear, Battletoads, RC Pro Am, Wizards and Warriors, Ironsword, Pro Wrestling, Blaster Master, Rygar, Little Samsom, Metal Storm, Life Force, Gun Nac, Faxanadu, Battle of Olympus, Adventures of Lolo 3, Journey to Silius, Kabuki Quantum Fighter, Kickle Cubicle, Jackal, Gunsmoke, Cobra Triangle, Gargoyle's Quest II, Magic of Scheherazade, and the Guardian Legend. Given that the first TMNT game was released already, there's always an outside chance that other licenced games eventually show up (which would include games like TMNT 2-3, Duck Tales 1-2, Rescue Rangers, Willow, Batman, Goonies II, and Little Nemo). There are still dozens upon dozens of NES games that I'd like to see show up on the VC.
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Coolio McAwesome said:
Not even counting imports such as Devil World, Gradius II and Crisis Force.