Official bitching about Hudson abandoning VC support. [VC/WiiWare = lost cause]

Oh man, I played the shit out of Sonic 2 for my Game Gear. It took me forever to actually beat it with all chaos emeralds, but it was one of the defining moments of my childhood when it happened. For $5, it might be worth it to play the game with a decent aspect ratio (assuming I get a Wii soon).
 
Stumpokapow said:
erm, that's not true.

it's not illegal to wear a shirt that says "fuck school" but your junior high teacher can suspend you for it.

it's silly that nintendo would ban a potential customer, but it's well within their rights.
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Maybe they are in their rights to ban me from further buying their games (WTF, why??) -- but certainly not for games that I bought over the past two years, all legitimately.
 
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Maybe they are in their rights to ban me from further buying their games (WTF, why??) -- but certainly not for games that I bought over the past two years, all legitimately.
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For games not bought in your regions Wii Shop, they are.
 
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Maybe they are in their rights to ban me from further buying their games (WTF, why??) -- but certainly not for games that I bought over the past two years, all legitimately.
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you didn't buy games.

you bought licences to use some games as long as nintendo is fine with you using them.
 
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So, if it's not illegal, they do not have any right keeping me away from the games I purchased.
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But just because something is legal doesn't mean they have to help you do it. As long as you were working around their limits using homebrew before, you could probably do that again to load up games you previous purchased.
 
Shiggy said:
For some reason Nintendo hates LAN, they didn't want it in BWii II, although it had already been programmed etc.
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Same with Mario Strikers Wii - the game had LAN support up till it launched. The stations at the London Wii reveal event in 2006 which displayed BWii and Strikers were set up in LAN. I even asked a rep there and he said that they'd ship with LAN support.

I wonder what happened?
 
Stumpokapow said:
you didn't buy games.

you bought licences to use some games as long as nintendo is fine with you using them.
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have you actually researched this and come to that conclusion yourself?

[edit] not trying to be a prick. Would genuinely love some solid material to read that supports this. A EULA, contract or something.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
But just because something is legal doesn't mean they have to help you do it. As long as you were working around their limits using homebrew before, you could probably do that again to load up games you previous purchased.
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No, they have changed the system and now do a server side check comparing your last access to the shopping channel country code.

They simply put me in the wrong region, they did not "ban" me. They have a stupid algorithm. I can access the US wii shop fine.. Obviously I cannot do anything there since I cannot buy new points or download my old EU games. (They are not linked globally, only per region).

TJ Spyke said:
For games not bought in your regions Wii Shop, they are.
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Umm, I'm talking about games bought in the EU shop channel, where I live. They have now locked me into the US shop channel... I can still access that fine.. I have 1 game in the US shop channel and 30+ in the EU shop channel which I cannot access.
 
Well, I was half-right regarding the VC this week, anyway. Problem is, the half I got right was not the half I wanted. :/

Playing the awful Game Gear version of Sonic 2 left a pretty sour taste in my mouth, so it's doubtful that I'll buy the Master System one unless it's significantly better. I would like to know more about Bruiser and Scratch, though.
 
Facism said:
have you actually researched this and come to that conclusion yourself?

[edit] not trying to be a prick. Would genuinely love some solid material to read that supports this. A EULA, contract or something.
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http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/privacyEULA.jsp

Chapter IV: Wii Shop
Article 2: Points

The Wii Shop allows you to use Points to download a license to use Content or purchase Products (and may also allow you to do such things as download licenses to use certain Content for free, or use your Points to send Content to a friend). Points are primarily intended for the purchase of downloadable video game content, and are taxed accordingly. Points are not your personal property. Points have no cash or monetary value and are non-refundable.
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No, they have changed the system and now do a server side check comparing your last access to the shopping channel country code.

They simply put me in the wrong region, they did not "ban" me. They have a stupid algorithm. I can access the US wii shop fine.. Obviously I cannot do anything there since I cannot buy new points or download my old EU games. (They are not linked globally, only per region).



Umm, I'm talking about games bought in the EU shop channel, where I live. They have now locked me into the US shop channel... I can still access that fine.. I have 1 game in the US shop channel and 30+ in the EU shop channel which I cannot access.
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It sounds like a by product of region locking the shop rather than a deliberate attempt to lock you out of your software. If you wait a couple of weeks I am sure that someone will come up with a workaround.
 
Chapter IV: Wii Shop
Article 2: Points

The Wii Shop allows you to use Points to download a license to use Content or purchase Products (and may also allow you to do such things as download licenses to use certain Content for free, or use your Points to send Content to a friend). Points are primarily intended for the purchase of downloadable video game content, and are taxed accordingly. Points are not your personal property. Points have no cash or monetary value and are non-refundable.
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Not exactly clear depending on how you parse the sentence.
 
Playing the awful Game Gear version of Sonic 2 left a pretty sour taste in my mouth, so it's doubtful that I'll buy the Master System one unless it's significantly better.
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The SMS version has the same poor level design issues the GG version has, but its expanded field of view makes the game notably more playable. It's still one of the worst classic 2D Sonics though regardless, albeit still not horrible, all things considered.
 
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No, they have changed the system and now do a server side check comparing your last access to the shopping channel country code.

They simply put me in the wrong region, they did not "ban" me. They have a stupid algorithm. I can access the US wii shop fine.. Obviously I cannot do anything there since I cannot buy new points or download my old EU games. (They are not linked globally, only per region).
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I could put the games you purchased on my system using homebrew. So could you. The difference is you'd be doing it for things you paid for and not playing pirate.
 
Cheesemeister said:
You do realize, of course, that you're going to die someday. The Wii, likely much sooner.
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If I am right and there's a good chance that, eventually afters years of naming it in the weekly release predictions, I will indeed be correct in my prediction of Earthbound being released on the Virtual Console. I will be hailed as a champion amoung men, a captain of industry and all that, whereas you my friend, you will be viewed as nothing more than a Negative Nancy, a Debby Downer and a ne'er-do-well.

On that day I shall doff my top hat and monocle, exit this thread victorious and bid you good day sir!
 
Baconbitz said:
Sonic 2 master system > Sonic 2 genesis or would it be Sonic 2 genesis > Sonic 2 master system?
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Actually, it's anything would be better than either of them.

God what a fucking shitty depressing thread I started
 
Kobun Heat said:
Actually, it's anything would be better than either of them.

God what a fucking shitty depressing thread I started
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If you don't like Tails in the genesis version you can take him out. Also you can play and just ignore him. The genesis version isn't half bad. I haven't played the master system version or at least I don't think so. I'll have to look at my gamegear games when I get home.
 
I like Sonic 2 for the genesis. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Now Sonic 2 for the master system when we already have Sonic 2 for the Gen, that I have a problem with.
 
What's the hold-up on Pulseman US?

Damn game is 85% in english already, and it's not like having no translation to speak of hasn't stopped people from releasing VC games in the US before.

Only thing Tails is good for in Sonic 2 is running into bombs and costing you chaos emeralds.

Had the damndest time getting them all before I switched to Sonic only, then it became easy peasy.
 
crowphoenix said:
I like Sonic 2 for the genesis. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Now Sonic 2 for the master system when we already have Sonic 2 for the Gen, that I have a problem with.
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They're completely different games, though. It's not like we're getting a scaled back version of an existing game or anything.

I enjoyed 8-bit Sonic 2, despite the GG version being rather cheap at times with the restricted field of view.
 
Sonic 2 SMS: Awesome, the 8-bit Sonics definitely aren't as good as the amazing 16-bit games, but they are fun for the systems they are on, and the SMS version of Sonic 2 is quite a bit more playable than the GG version thanks to the better visible distance. Only the first SMS game got a US release... Sonic 2 would be an import here.

PepsimanVsJoe said:
What's the hold-up on Pulseman US?

Damn game is 85% in english already, and it's not like having no translation to speak of hasn't stopped people from releasing VC games in the US before.

Only thing Tails is good for in Sonic 2 is running into bombs and costing you chaos emeralds.

Had the damndest time getting them all before I switched to Sonic only, then it became easy peasy.
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Given that, along with Golden Axe III, Alien Soldier, and Mega Man: The Wily Wars the game was on Sega Channel, there may even be a full English version... either that or they just put the Japanese one on Sega Channel, which would work fine given the kind of game. But either way, there's absolutely no good reason we haven't seen it, really.

The SMS version has the same poor level design issues the GG version has, but its expanded field of view makes the game notably more playable. It's still one of the worst classic 2D Sonics though regardless, albeit still not horrible, all things considered.
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Yeah, Sonic 2 for the Genesis is one of the best platformers ever, but the SMS/GG game definitely isn't as good. The SMS game's a lot more playable for sure, but as you say, there's still better.

crowphoenix said:
I like Sonic 2 for the genesis. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Now Sonic 2 for the master system when we already have Sonic 2 for the Gen, that I have a problem with.
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Once again, the SMS/GG Sonic games are all original titles, not ports. There were six sidescrolling platformer Sonic franchise games on the Master System and Game Gear, all original titles: Sonic the Hedgehog (SMS/GG), Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (SMS/GG), Sonic Chaos (SMS/GG), Sonic Blast (SMS/GG) (no, it's not isometric like Sonic 3D Blast. This one's a sidescroller.), Sonic Triple Trouble (GG), and semi-spinoff Tails' Adventure (GG). There's also Sonic Labyrinth (GG) but it really shouldn't count, and is horrible anyway (it's isometric, but unlike Sonic 3D Blast which I, at least, liked, this game is HORRIBLE.).

SMS/GG Sonic Spinball actually pretty much is a port of the Genesis game, as is Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine I believe, but those aren't platformers... the other GG Sonic games, though, are original too -- Sonic Drift 1 and 2 and Tails' Sky Patrol (shmup-ish), along with Sonic Labyrinth.
 
Bloody hell. We had a good couple of weeks there, and now it looks like they're going to usher the end of 2008 with a pathetic whimper.

*Obligatory NO PHANTASY STAR IV YET?!*
 
Christmas had three releases last year...

[NES] Blades of Steel
[SNS] Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
[GEN] Rolling Thunder 2

and three the week after that...

[NES] Bubble Bobble
[Neo Geo] Top Hunter
[MD/GEN] Light Crusader

With WiiWare in the picture now, I imagine it'll be at least one of those and one or two VC games.
 
So I couldn't help but notice that Gradius ReBirth appeared on the ESRB list some time ago.

Now stop putting up garbage on WiiWare and get this out here in NA already. Thanks in advance.
 
FoxHimself said:
Same with Mario Strikers Wii - the game had LAN support up till it launched. The stations at the London Wii reveal event in 2006 which displayed BWii and Strikers were set up in LAN. I even asked a rep there and he said that they'd ship with LAN support.

I wonder what happened?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_Pipe_(software_developer)

Once the Gamecube was tunneled, Nintendo didn't want any more LAN games that people could "exploit" to play online outside of their official service.
 
Given that, along with Golden Axe III, Alien Soldier, and Mega Man: The Wily Wars the game was on Sega Channel, there may even be a full English version... either that or they just put the Japanese one on Sega Channel, which would work fine given the kind of game. But either way, there's absolutely no good reason we haven't seen it, really.
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Pulseman was untranslated on the Sega Channel, at least in the US. It retained the Japanese stage descriptions and cutscene subtitles. And yes, we really should have seen it by now, especially considering that it's an excellent game, and since both of Sega's other major first party Sega Channel exclusives are out.
 
Mejilan said:
Bloody hell. We had a good couple of weeks there, and now it looks like they're going to usher the end of 2008 with a pathetic whimper.

*Obligatory NO PHANTASY STAR IV YET?!*
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Based on what Sega has told me, I expect PSIV by year's end. Of course, it's ultimately Nintendo's call, and they like to underwhelm us whenever possible, so the best laid plans of even a key partner like Sega are destined for failure.
 
sfog said:
Pulseman was untranslated on the Sega Channel, at least in the US. It retained the Japanese stage descriptions and cutscene subtitles. And yes, we really should have seen it by now, especially considering that it's an excellent game, and since both of Sega's other major first party Sega Channel exclusives are out.
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That's interesting. So they just left it untranslated? Given how little Japanese is in it, it makes sense... so yeah, they definitely have no excuse for not releasing it here on VC (though like Golden Axe III and Alien Soldier they'd be sure to call it an "Import" even though it really isn't).

... On that note, was Sega Channel Alien Soldier the European or Japanese versions? That is, with the hilariously bad English of the Japanese version, or the improved script of the European one... probably the European one I would imagine. Golden Axe III never had any Japanese to begin with...

But anyway, Pulseman is quite good, yes. There are a lot of great games not on the VC yet... but as far as Sega's Genesis games go, that's one of the biggest ones they could easily put up.
 
On that note, was Sega Channel Alien Soldier the European or Japanese versions?
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Alien Soldier was the EU version, slightly altered so that the gameplay and music wasn't sped up abnormally at 60Hz. I'm pretty sure the exact same version was also used for the VC release as well, but I don't know for certain.
 
Mejilan said:
*Obligatory NO PHANTASY STAR IV YET?!*
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I'm guessing Secret of Mana & Mario Golf for Europe and Phantasy Star IV & Castlevania III for North America as each region's respective Christmas week VC offerings. I don't see any other reason they're holding back on those releases, but I suppose there is often little rhyme or reason to Nintendo's madness.
 
sfog said:
Alien Soldier was the EU version, slightly altered so that the gameplay and music wasn't sped up abnormally at 60Hz. I'm pretty sure the exact same version was also used for the VC release as well, but I don't know for certain.
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Actually I think it was an all new version, not the EU, JPN or the Sega Channel version!
 
Nuclear Muffin said:
Actually I think it was an all new version, not the EU, JPN or the Sega Channel version!
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Really? But isn't it just the same as the European version but with 60hz support and without the region protection (Japanese Alien Soldier has no region protection, European is locked to PAL/Europe only)? What's different in the VC version?

It doesn't say "Visualshock! Speedshock! Soundshock! Now is time to the 68000 heart on fire!" (on the Japanese main title screen) and "For Megadrivers Custom" (on the Japanese and European main title screens). Those parts are just blank, right? :(

... oh wait, is that what's different? Removal of "For Megadrivers Custom" line, which wouldn't make sense with the console being called the Genesis here? Or what?
 
A Black Falcon said:
Really? But isn't it just the same as the European version but with 60hz support and without the region protection (Japanese Alien Soldier has no region protection, European is locked to PAL/Europe only)? What's different in the VC version?

It doesn't say "Visualshock! Speedshock! Soundshock! Now is time to the 68000 heart on fire!" and "For Megadrivers Custom" on the main title screen, I'm pretty sure. Those parts are just blank. :(
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Actually, the JP version of Alien Soldier does have region lockout. Curiously, it boots on JP Mega Drives and PAL Mega Drives, but not the US Genesis. I get around this on my modded Genny by starting it in PAL mode, then flipping the switch to 60 Hz after it successfully boots. (JP Gunstar Heroes is the same way. If you boot it in PAL mode, it loads the English language ROM, so that's why I start in PAL instead of JP.)

It's possible that the VC Alien Soldier is the same as the Sega Channel Alien Soldier, which would be the official US version that just never happened to make it to retail for whatever reason (either Sega wanted some exclusive games on the service to make it more appealing, or they just didn't expect it to sell many units anyway). It's not the Japanese version, as the text has been cleaned up, and it's not the PAL version, as that version was optimized for 50 Hz and would run too fast in 60 Hz.

Sega does appear to be holding onto their Sega Channel roms and releasing them on the VC. They seem to have released one on the JP service as well judging from what I can make of the description on this page, even though I'm pretty sure that the Sega Channel was never launched in Japan originally.
 
Although I'm not a big enough fan of it to justify paying $9 to see firsthand, it appears that the "For Megadrivers Custom" line is still present in the VC release, at least in its Nintendo Channel trailer and title shots on the Shop.
 
C'mon Nintendo, I bought four 2000 point cards after Secret of Mana came out because I thought you were getting your act together. Luckily, I got them for $12 apiece, so I don't feel too bad about buying them, but I don't want to regret spending this money. Nintendo, give me my Guardian Legend.
 
Question, I recently found some missing cables I needed to play with My X-Arcade dual stick and I'm trying to get some advice on fighting games from the VC. I'm not interested in Street fighter sense I have HD Remix and I already downloaded Samurai Showdown 2.

Any other recommendations? How is KoF 94, I've heard that I should wait until 96.

Also any other games that are just way better with an arcade stick? I've got the Metal Slug anthology so that's not really of interest.
 
I just downloaded Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. I haven't played the game since I rented it from Blockbuster way back in 1996, so I wonder how it holds up.
 
Odd. The Wii Shop Channel is currently undergoing maintenance...

Does that usually happen before something is changed/updated?
 
DavidDayton said:
Odd. The Wii Shop Channel is currently undergoing maintenance...

Does that usually happen before something is changed/updated?
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Maybe they're adding in Club Nintendo hooks. One can hope, anyways. :lol
 
It's pretty sad that I wish I had purchased a damned PAL unit over the US one (of course had I gone back in time, I'd have gotten a JP unit). Seriously, fuck you NOA.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
It's pretty sad that I wish I had purchased a damned PAL unit over the US one (of course had I gone back in time, I'd have gotten a JP unit).
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What WW/VC are Euro units getting that North American ones aren't?
 
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