Support NeoGAF

[Sirpopopop]

You are either in BCS or out, so nothing to renegotiate. I suppose the BCS could of pulled the big east BCS bid, but honestly, the big east did not ask Miami and Vatech to leave (notice they are at the top of the ACC now, so which conference was really weak all these years?), and I think the BCS did the right thing by letting the big east keep it's BCS bowl bid. The BCS does have requirements to keep BCS eligibility (top 12 in BCS standings average over 4 years or something like that), so a Pittsburgh BCS bid does not help the big east in the future since they are quite low in the BCS standings.

Also, do not forget there have been other unremarkable teams in the BCS over the years (although Pittsburgh probably does take the cake). A 4 loss Florida St team in 2002 for example, plenty of other 3 loss teams.


What I think you will see happen, is a fifth BCS bowl game will be added, which mean the big east BCS bowl bid will not be as critical. You will also see the big east improve over time. Lousiville will step in and take position towards the top of the big east. Lousiville/WVU/Pittsburgh/Syracuse, and hopefully Uconn can continue improving, and Rutgers/Cincinnati/South Florida also improve.

As if the people here give a shit.

They probably won't even be able to construct a decent counterargument. They'll just keep on chanting how insert mediocre team here could take the Big East title. Of course, as a conference, the Big East has fared alright against OOC middle of the pack BCS teams. The only really big losses against a middle of the pack BCS team was Pitt to Nebraska and Syracuse against Purdue/Virginia. Pitt as a team has matured a lot since then, going on an absolute tear since their loss to UConn.

Now, top of the ladder teams from other conferences like Texas, Cal, or Utah could take the Big East bid easily enough. Of course, they could also easily take the bid in the ACC and Big Ten too.

No... let's just pick on the Big East. Let's also forget to mention the fact that the Big East is in better shape than the ACC to protect its bid (Louisville's BCS rank this year counts for the Big East). Let's also forget to mention that unlike certain other power conferences it has managed to fill its quota of bowl bids and then some.

 

[StoOgE]

The ACC and Big 10 conference champs dont look very strong compared to Texas or Cal either... but at least they are ranked. the Big East will have no ranked teams after this week. Yeah, you have a really good conference there.

Also, if the Big East fails to get a team into the BCS top 12 over a 4 year period the BCS bowls no longer have to take them. This will be year 1. Lousiville could easily fix that problem for them, but if not the Big East could be out soon.

 

[marko]

The ACC and Big 10 conference champs dont look very strong compared to Texas or Cal either... but at least they are ranked. the Big East will have no ranked teams after this week. Yeah, you have a really good conference there.

Also, if the Big East fails to get a team into the BCS top 12 over a 4 year period the BCS bowls no longer have to take them. This will be year 1. Lousiville could easily fix that problem for them, but if not the Big East could be out soon.

Of course the big east will have a team ranked. First, Pittsburgh will move into the top 25 and/or BC will stay in top 25.

Second, there is no immediate danger of the top 12 rule, and that is not a hard fast rule, just a general guideline. The BCS will not move to exclude teams/conferences. I mean, why would they be talking about adding a fifth BCS bowl game.

Honestly, with all the BCS problems in the BCS system, the big east should be excused for having it's first weak BCS bowl representative this year after all the conference has went through. I mean, for the second year in a row, there probably a conclusive national champ. That is a big problem.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Sirpo, the issue isn't the overall strength of the Big East, it's that there's no national power in the conference this year. There is no single team in the Big East that truly deserves a BCS bid, whereas other conferences (Pac-10, Big 12) have more than one team that deserve a bid.

One could say the same thing for the ACC. How did Va Tech do OOC? Hmm... no notable OOC victory there. They lost to NC State, a team that's not going to a bowl game. Yep, real national power there. Miami, the other contender, lost to Clemson and North Carolina - teams who have barely eked out winning records. Are they deserving of a bid over these teams from the Pac-10 and Big 12?
Is there truly a national power in the ACC this year?

If you want to bring up Miami's history, fine do it. Just remember that Pitt has also won National Championships too...

The ACC is so unbelievably overrated it's ridiculous. When the ACC stumbles, it's due to parity, when the Big East stumbles, it's because it sucks.

The ACC's champion is going to be a better team than the Big East's champion. But, they won't be national powers, either. Neither will they be deserving of the Top 10 BCS ranking that they will inevitably get.

Same argument applies to both conferences. Of course, you take away either conference's bid and the system dissappears the next day. Without a majority the BCS can't survive as a format on the college football landscape.

The problem isn't the Big East, it's the whole BCS system. It's fundamentally flawed. The Big East having its BCS bid taken away might help a little bit this year, but it wouldn't really fix anything. Every year there's a different problem. Inevitably, if the BCS took away the Big East's bid next year, the Big East would end up having one or two powerful teams, and the system would still be broken.

This I agree with.

 

[StoOgE]

Why not take away ALL automatic bids. If your conference cant get a team in the top 12 of the BCS, tough shit. That would ensure the best teams would be playing in the best bowls every year.

Right now there is the off chance that Colorado could play Syracuse in a BCS game. I bet everyone just cant wait for that one.

 

[StoOgE]

On the other hand, Texas has been a good team for a long time. They've had plenty of chances to play in this kind of high-profile bowl game. Boise State hasn't. Cal, too, come to think of it. It's been many years for us.

Just to clear some things up... Texas has had chances in the last few years, but this wont be the first time we are screwed out of one. We were ranked 5th last year and headed to the Fiesta Bowl when OU choked and gave our automatic bid to Kansas State but OU still got to play for the national title. So we deserve to go based on the fact that we got bones by stupid rules last year. Its someone elses turn.

Also, Texas large jump in the human polls during a bye week was because Michigan and FSU lost. Texas picked up alot of votes when those 1 loss teams went down, Cal didnt. Cal was likely the consensus best 1 loss team allready where Texas was only marginally considered the number two 1 loss team.. but with the other major conference 1 loss teams losing, Texas moved up in alot of human polls.

 

[StoOgE]

New computer polls are coming in..

right now Texas is going to be behind Cal .070. That means if 6 AP voters decided to switch Cal and Texas on their ballots Texas would jump Cal. Or if 5 coaches did the same. Or any combination of the two...

(This asumes Cal and Texas switch places in the A&H poll. There is a chance Boise State will jump Cal in this poll as well then it doesnt matter, Texas would jump Cal without any votes changing in either the AP or Coaches poll... )

the only other info that we will get today is from the human polls, the rest of the computer polls will not be released until after the official BCS standings are released.. if Texas moves by 20 or so points collectively in the human polls you Cal fans can go ahead and start making reservations in San Diego.

This is like watching election returns, but Sagarin was GREAT news for Texas.. there was a 1 in a million chance that Texas was going to catch Cal and a 1 in a billion chance that BSU would.. both came through for the horns. It would be like Kerry picking up Texas.

 

[StoOgE]

Michigan and Texas are both two of the winningest programs in college football history(top 5), Texas has never been to the Rose Bowl, and Texas and Michigan have never played. Now, tell me what is a more classic match up

Plus, we lost to Wazzou for the same reason we will likely lose this year. We are going to a subpar bowl game against decent competition and wont show up to play because we should be in a better game. Plus we were winning last year at the half, then we decided to try and ensure Chance Mock didnt transfer by letting him play the entire second half... and we havent even used him this year.

 

[cubanb]

what time do the new bcs standings come out?

 

[lilraylewis]

what time do the new bcs standings come out?

usually about 12 or 1 central time.

 

[cubanb]

new bcs standings are out. if you thought cal and texas were close last week check out this week
cal .8431
texas .8418

im afraid if tedford sneezes this thing might go off

holy smokes , what a close one

 

[Ninja Scooter]

thats why the BCS should just be scrapped and only worry about the top TWO teams. Who cares about the rest? For the rest of those schools, making the BCS is just about making some extra $$$. Everyone is feeling sorry for Texas and how it will be a "tragedy" if they are left out. I have an idea for Texas, try beating Oklahoma every once in a while.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Sorry Cyan, this isn't personal, but...

Claw 'em Golden Eagles!

And if not, I really hope Syracuse goes to the Fiesta, just because its a funny concept.

 

[StoOgE]

I have an idea for Texas, try beating Oklahoma every once in a while.

this arguement would work if Cal hadnt lost to USC and is getting in a BCS game, if Meechigan hadnt lost 2 games is FSU or if Vatech or Miami hadnt lost games or if the Big East champ hadnt lost 4+ games. As far as Utah is going, who have they played? An ATM team that isnt very good and was even worse when they played them. None of these teams are more deserving than Texas and most are less deserving, there are no two ways about it, Texas is getting hosed (or if Cal plays poorly against USM and gets jumped they will be getting hosed).

The automatic bids are the BCS' biggest problem, but since this is all driven by money that will never change.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

this arguement would work if Cal hadnt lost to USC and is getting in a BCS game, if Meechigan hadnt lost 2 games is FSU or if Vatech or Miami hadnt lost games or if the Big East champ hadnt lost 4+ games. QUOTE]

thats my point though, once you take it out of your hands and into the computers, you are just asking to get screwed. I said the same thing last year about USC even though i thought they deserved to be in. They shoulda beat Cal and none of that BS would have happened. To me, the much bigger travesty is that Auburn is likely not gonna get a chance to compete for the title, as they have done all you can ask them to do (win every single game, same as USC and OU). That is a sign of the BCS being a sham, not Texas or Cal missing out on a huge payday for the university.

 

[marko]

\or if the Big East champ hadnt lost 4+ games.

Big east representative will have an 8-3 record. Since 1998 when the BCS did things, every there has been a 3 loss team in the BCS, with Fl St the only 4 loss team. Each conference has also had a 3 loss representative during those years. Every year a non deserving team has made it into BCS due to conference championship rules, and there was even Notre Dame making it into the BCS that one year when they were not deserving. And this will continue on in the future, just the way it is.

 

[StoOgE]

its possible that Pitt will get in with another loss, that was the 4+ thing.. plus, given the fact that the top 6 of the BCS have a total of 3 losses between them (and only 5 losses in the top 8) it makes it worse. Last year Cal and UT's records would have been good for a title shot, this year there is less parity and the teams at the top are taking care of buisness. a 3 or 4 loss team this year is much worse than one last year.

Though, to be fair every team with 3 or more losses has been an automatic bid situation, which is what I am against all together.

 

[marko]

Since Pitt only has 1 game left, it will not be 4+, it will be 3+, and most likely 3 since it is a small chance Pitt will lose.

 

[Chesapeake Silt]

Lots of chatter from the ND people about Willingham getting fired. Even if it's not true, there are a ton of jobs opening up this year. Coaches are going to get paid. No wonder Butch Davis resigned - he wants to land a big job before the musical chairs start filling up.

EDIT: It's official, Willingham is gone.

(Urban Meyer, your multimillion dollar contract is ready.)

 

[lilraylewis]

Damn, Ty Willingham's getting canned is a big suprise to me, especially after the win at UT in Knoxville. I think ND should have given him more time, but I guess, as Chesapeake suggested, they had Meyer lined up and wanted to make a move on him before some other school snatched him up.

Anyway, does anyone care to speculate on which coaches go where?
It looks like it'd definitely gonna be

Florida - Butch Davis

Notre Dame - Urban Meyer

? - Bobby Patrino

Also, were will Willingham wind up now?

 

[lilraylewis]

holy shit, is anyone watching Bob Davie on Sportscenter? He just called himself a great football coach and compared himself with Lou Holtz--and he was dead serious. I'm not saying he's not a good coach, but damn, how about a little humility?

 

[Chesapeake Silt]

Sounds like Norm Chow is going to Stanford.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Yeah, I want Butch Davis for the Gators. We need a good coach to fill the void. And Butch can recruit. Here's hoping. PEACE.

 

[lilraylewis]

Well, on Sportscenter they said that Davis will take an entire year off from coaching because the whole Browns fiasco has been rough on his family. Also, didn't Norm Chow say he would finish his contract with USC, which, if I recall correctly, has 2 years left on it?

 

[UtadaBarkley]

I think Petrino will stay in Louisville. At least for the next 2 years. I mean he does have Brohm at QB, an aweome tailback core, and a decent recieving core. Defense isn't TOO shabby either. Plus it's Big East time next year, however watered down the new Big East may be... Still there's a greater possibility we'll be in the money with a BCS bowl next year.

 

[Guileless]

Ole Miss has fired coach David Cutcliffe.

(i miss eli)

 

[impirius]

Spurrier was just on PTI... man, the next few years are going to be fun.

 

[BarneyBP]

What? No one is psyched about watching my Miami Redhawks in the MAC Championship on ESPN tonight?

From the people who brought you Ben Roethlisberger comes... JOSH BETTS!

::sigh::

 

[Limedust]

15 Division 1A coaching positions are now available.

I think the Willingham firing was a little unfair and somewhat unexpected, but the one I really don't understand was Cutcliffe getting the axe. Still trying to figure out who they have in mind to replace him (most other positions seem pretty obvious).

 

[Guileless]

Cutcliffe was fired essentially because he didn't get along with our AD. The AD wanted some changes in the program and Cutcliffe told him he wasn't going to change anything.

This was brewing for 2 years, last year's unexpected success just postponed it. And Cut didn't get any credit for it anyway; conventional wisdom is that Eli audibled out of all the terrible play calls Cut was sending in.

People contacted so far: Petrino, Zook, Willingham, Neuheisel.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i don't see why anyone would want to take the ND job to be honest (prestige aside). They just can't recruit the way they used to, and that schedule is killer. Until they swallow their pride and take measures to remedy this, they'll never be back to prominence (the Big East is just sitting there, waiting to be dominated by a team like ND, but of course, they'd have to give up their lucrative NBC deal to do that). A team like Florida on the other hand, is just loaded talent wise. If Urban Meyer is half as good a coach as he's hyped to be, he could take that team to a national title next season. Its a much more attractive job IMO.

 

[Ripclawe]

everyone knows ND is going to interview Urban Myer.... but getting flight records is a bit much...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29143-2004Dec2.html

Notre Dame Interviews Utah's Meyer

By Mark Schlabach
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 3, 2004; Page D09

University of Utah football coach Urban Meyer, who has led the Utes to an 11-0 record and No. 5 national ranking, met with Notre Dame officials about the school's head coaching vacancy last night, and he is expected to meet with Florida Athletics Director Jeremy Foley as early as this morning.

Notre Dame Athletics Director Kevin White and Rev. John Jenkins, the university's president, flew to Salt Lake City yesterday to interview Meyer only two days after the Fighting Irish fired Tyrone Willingham. According to flight records, a Cessna Aircraft Citation 5 jet owned by Notre Dame landed at Salt Lake City International Airport around 7 p.m. ET. Media reports there said White and Jenkins went to a hotel, where they met with Meyer for a couple of hours. The plane was scheduled to return to South Bend last night.

Meanwhile, Foley, who is seeking a replacement for fired coach Ron Zook, was expected to arrive in Salt Lake City right on the Notre Dame officials' heels, sources close to the Gators search said. According to flight tracking data, a Cessna Aircraft Citation 2 jet left Gainesville, Fla., around 9 p.m. last night and was one of the last planes scheduled to land at Salt Lake City International, around 3 a.m. this morning.

 

[Chesapeake Silt]

I guess Florida is a bigger contender for Meyer than I expected. I just assumed that he was a lock for the Notre Dame job.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Urban Meyer accepted the Florida job, according to ESPN's sources. ND is fucked.

 

[Chesapeake Silt]

I've been waiting for the right time to bust this one out:

[I forgot where I stole this from.]

Does ND even have a second choice? I hear Lou Holtz is available!

 

[chimpychi]

LOL...ND deserves it...gotta feel for the Utes though..

 

[Silkworm]

Oh well, as a Gator fan I'm glad the decision is over (or would assume so though I supppose nothing is "official" yet). I'm not sure how Urban Meyer will do at UF but I sure hope fans, boosters, UF AD, etc. give him some time to work things out. I realize UF has a lot of talent and that Meyer has had success at Bowling Green and Utah, but that doesn't mean UF will immediately compete for a National Chamionship next year. Anyway, I hope Zook gets that Illinois job (or maybe the Ole Miss one, who knows?) since he deserves another chance at a head coaching position IMHO. Anyway, maybe ND can get somebody like Tedford or Petrino or maybe even convince Butch Davis to forgoe the year off and come coach for them.

 

[Ripclawe]

word is that ND offered half the money that Florida was offering($2 million)

 

[Guileless]

I want the Zooker in Oxford!

 

[ConfusingJazz]

After Urban goes to Florida, best representation of ND.

 

[Pimpwerx]

WOOOOOOOHOOOOO!!!

Happy Dance!

I'm not sure how good Meyer is, but then again, I haven't watched much Utah football this year. What I saw was good, but I really think it's mostly due to that cheap schedule they had. :lol But he's a definite step up from Zook right now. The state of Florida is so rich in talent, most coaches would want that UF job. Chris Leak's gonna have to adjust to a new system again. That's if they change offensive coordinators, which isn't totally necessary. The DC needs to go though. The defense was garbage again this year. Can't really complain about that UT game when you give up that many points in the first place. Anyway, Gators 2006 Champs! ...I'm realistic, it won't happen next year. But Leak will get one before he goes pro. PEACE.

 

[Chesapeake Silt]

Great game between Miami and VT. Really nice catch by VT's tight end on that third and long play. Good stuff.

 

[Dilbert]

Goddamn it...USC scores on a 65-yard run on their second play from scrimmage. I have a funny feeling today is going to be a long, painful day.

 

[Dilbert]

I'm going to drive to Pasadena and personally kick the ass of UCLA's offensive coordinator. He is absolutely SQUANDERING the few breaks you can expect to get against the #1 team with shitty playcalling. All they do on offense is go backwards...FUCK.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

damn Reggie Bush is pretty fuckin good, eh?

 

[Dilbert]

damn Reggie Bush is pretty fuckin good, eh?

Shitshitshitshitshit.

Again...UCLA has to score touchdowns on EVERY opportunity, or they're doomed. They wasted the 50-yard kickoff return, and they wasted the punt block.

Hey, I have beer in my fridge! Awesome...I'm gonna need it.

 

[Dilbert]

And now a critical blown call? I'm officially going to become an alcoholic...this is unfuckingbelievable.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Jinx - That's why UCLA is mediocre.

C'mon you knew coming in, that this is what is going to happen. The defining mark of mediocre teams and the difference between mediocrity and greatness is the inability to capitalize on the breaks the game inevitably gives you. You should know this, you guys have been mediocre ever since you blew that game against Wisky in the Rose bowl oh so many years ago. The one where Dayne trampled all over your D.

 

[Dilbert]

Jinx - That's why UCLA is mediocre.

C'mon you knew coming in, that this is what is going to happen. The defining mark of mediocre teams and the difference between mediocrity and greatness is the inability to capitalize on the breaks the game inevitably gives you. You should know this, you guys have been mediocre ever since you blew that game against Wisky in the Rose bowl oh so many years ago. The one where Dayne trampled all over your D.

Look, I KNOW UCLA is mediocre this year -- no wins against ranked teams, although they hung in there well against Cal. I can STILL be pissed off that they can't elevate for even one game.

As for invoking the name of Ron Dayne in ANY context which even SORT OF implies the guy might have any talent, that's just fucking funny.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

screw Ron Dayne, the downfall was when Edgerrin James buttraped the Bruin defense with a shot at the national title game on the line. Its been downhill from then for UCLA.