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[wind_steaker]

yeah Matt is great, in my dreams we get a sudden leap in quality again akin to the leap from season 1 to 2 of Coupling, it almost became a different, and much much better show once he got into he swing of it.

 

[Jintor]

I can't fathom anybody disliking Matt... or Karen... or Arthur. Or Moffat. Or anything to do with S5 in general (except maybe for that bloody lizardman two parter)

 

[Thomper]

I can't fathom anybody disliking Matt... or Karen... or Arthur. Or Moffat. Or anything to do with S5 in general (except maybe for that bloody lizardman two parter)

As far as I can tell, people who disliked Moffat disliked his finale because it turned the Daleks into 'good guys' (because they were the ones that needed to kill the Doctor or the universe would blow up), and that compared to RTD's stuff the finale didn't feel as big.

Which... is mostly pretty stupid, though I kinda understand the latter complaint, even though that's probably more of a BBC-problem than a Moffat-problem. I loved the finale, personally, but I can definitely see where people are coming from when they said it felt a bit 'small'. Not that RTD's way of having the entire human race turned into the Master's slaves, and then them forgetting all of that after the Doctor rewinds time is a good way to do stuff, but Moffat's 'Big Bang' felt like a different kind of threat. Less like a Hollywood-movie, more like a really good time-bending puzzle type of thing.

Again, I loved the finale. I'm just saying that it was a very different beast compared to the past few finales.

 

[Nickiepoo]

Yeah, I really don't get the Smith hate.

But having said that, I was dubious of him before I saw S5, so maybe many of the people complaining are simply being clods by passing judgement without actually watching.

 

[JonathanEx]

I'm fairly certain the hate is because he's not David Tennant. MATT SMITH TOOK OUR DAVID AWAY FROM US etc.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Yeah, I really don't get the Smith hate.

But having said that, I was dubious of him before I saw S5, so maybe many of the people complaining are simply being clods by passing judgement without actually watching.

Me too - I thought he was too young for the role, but the first episode of S5 just blew that concern out of the water.

 

[Nickiepoo]

I'm fairly certain the hate is because he's not David Tennant. MATT SMITH TOOK OUR DAVID AWAY FROM US etc.

Yeah, people need to get over that crap.

I do wonder though, how much Smith cares about the fact that he is the Doctor in terms of 'nerd pride' (as Tennant did). I suspect not much, but I'd hope that I'm wrong.

 

[Sage00]

One thing I'd point out is that Moffat seems nowhere near as good at making his universes 'standalone' as RTD. They exist for the purposes of the episode and that's it. You can see that as precise, but it may not be the best way to go about a show like Doctor Who. Where could Moffat's Doctors revisit like they could with Rose's parallel Earth, New Earth, Martha or Donna's families, etc? Being able to go back to somewhere gives a sense of being alive, and with the exception of maybe Starship UK I can't think of a single place this season they could go back to.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Problem is, I hated all the families of the companions - except for Wilf - and the parallel Earth idea was used as a good device once; and then trampled over two seasons later.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

I found the lack of a family was one of the things that made Amy seem a bit flat. Be interesting to see what happens now she's got one.

 

[DrForester]

Yeah, people need to get over that crap.

I do wonder though, how much Smith cares about the fact that he is the Doctor in terms of 'nerd pride' (as Tennant did). I suspect not much, but I'd hope that I'm wrong.

I don't understand that, I liked Eccleston more than Tennant but I still sat back and enjoyed Tennant.

 

[WanderingWind]

One thing I'd point out is that Moffat seems nowhere near as good at making his universes 'standalone' as RTD. They exist for the purposes of the episode and that's it. You can see that as precise, but it may not be the best way to go about a show like Doctor Who. Where could Moffat's Doctors revisit like they could with Rose's parallel Earth, New Earth, Martha or Donna's families, etc? Being able to go back to somewhere gives a sense of being alive, and with the exception of maybe Starship UK I can't think of a single place this season they could go back to.

See, but that's one thing I do like about Doctor Who. I never know what's going to happen the next episode, where they'll be, who they'll run into, etc. I sort of feel cheated when they revisit places they were at. Except the Ood world.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

I found the lack of a family was one of the things that made Amy seem a bit flat. Be interesting to see what happens now she's got one.

To be honest, I'd be delighted if we didn't see her family again for at least a series or so. Part of what made classic Doctor Who so much fun as a child was the idea that the companions were running off on an adventure with the Doctor, perhaps leaving behind a humdrum ordinary life, or occasionally something more serious. Yes, they would eventually tire of their new life and want to leave, or settle down somewhere, but in the meantime they just got on with their adventures.

Now, we have companions who can phone home on a special sonic-screwdriver-zapped mobile phone whenever they fancy a blether, or who rush back for special events or just because they want to see their Mum.

Give me a companion who just wants to run away from it all & get out and see the stars, not some wet blanket who needs to ring home for a blether every ten minutes.

 

[Lard]

Give me a companion who just wants to run away from it all & get out and see the stars, not some wet blanket who needs to ring home for a blether every ten minutes.

If someone gave me access to a machine that could go anywhere in time and space, I sure as hell wouldn't be running back to listen to my mother nag me.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

If someone gave me access to a machine that could go anywhere in time and space, I sure as hell wouldn't be running back to listen to my mother nag me.

"Doctor, I'd love to visit a research station investigating a colony of alien space dinosaurs, led by one of the finest machine minds ever produced by the human race, but can we pop off at Bethnal Green on the way? I fancy a carry-out and a natter with my big sister..."

 

[The Elite]

To be honest, I'd be delighted if we didn't see her family again for at least a series or so. Part of what made classic Doctor Who so much fun as a child was the idea that the companions were running off on an adventure with the Doctor, perhaps leaving behind a humdrum ordinary life, or occasionally something more serious. Yes, they would eventually tire of their new life and want to leave, or settle down somewhere, but in the meantime they just got on with their adventures.

Now, we have companions who can phone home on a special sonic-screwdriver-zapped mobile phone whenever they fancy a blether, or who rush back for special events or just because they want to see their Mum.

Give me a companion who just wants to run away from it all & get out and see the stars, not some wet blanket who needs to ring home for a blether every ten minutes.

That's what I love about Amy. She can't wait to leave after the wedding. :lol I don't want to see another family dragged into the narrative to the RTD era extent. Although, I must say, I thought Amy's mother was cute. :lol

 

[Hot Coldman]

I think we'll still get at least one story where Amy comes home for a bit of normality, which I don't mind when it's done right. Straight after episodes 4/5 of S5, the Doctor brings Amy home, which makes sense, because they've just been through hell and back. If they follow up a nightmare story with a 'coming home' story, then I don't mind, because it's understandable that the companion may wish to get their shit back together after being scared shitless.

That said- yeah, the RTD companions sucked balls for their homesickness thing, where almost every trip to another time or planet had to be bookended with a cuppa and some biscuits with their dumbass mum. Amy hasn't suffered from that (yet) so hopefully it'll stay that way.

 

[PalaceBrother]

Yeah, I really don't get the Smith hate.

But having said that, I was dubious of him before I saw S5, so maybe many of the people complaining are simply being clods by passing judgement without actually watching.

He got better by the end of the season, but I'm still not a big fan. He comes across like he's trying to be goofy just for the sake as being goofy.

 

[mclem]

Except Moonlight was awesome, too bad it was just bad timing in retrospect.

Waiting to see WW's reaction to River Song ...

I have to say, regarding Silence In The Library/Forest of the Dead:

Spoiler

I think my favourite part of this story is a part no-one really seems to talk about; people go ape over River Song, the Vashta Nerada, "Hey, who turned out the lights?", but not much about the actual core underlying story, which is predominantly about the library computer itself; full of nice, surprising reveals and "Ah!" moments. I do think it's a bit underappreciated.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I can kinda see where the Smith Haters are coming from, as when Matt and Karen finally go I am going to be a bitch about things like the Tennent fanboy's are nowadays. I think if Moffat moves on I will probably stop watching :/

 

[Mr. Sam]

I want one more Doctor under Moffat. It wouldn't be fair if RTD got two and Moffat only got one. I'm in no rush to see Smith leave though.

 

[KibblesBits]

I just want the Doctor to keep going on television for a bit longer. I'm not particularly fond of anyone enough to care if they leave.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The Santorans are good villains though.

I know your spelling isn't THAT far off here, but it amuses me to realize how close we are to a DW race called the Santorums.

 

[DrForester]

I still think that Amy should have exited at this season. She grew on me and I liked Rory but it seemed a great conclusion for Amy.

 

[Eteric Rice]

I think a lot of the rage comes from 10th Doctor's

Spoiler

I don't want to go!

line.

I think next season should have an episode where 10 comes back and meets 11, and is okay with

Spoiler

regenerating, because he realizes the guy he becomes aint so bad.

Or something like that. I feel that Tennant fans didn't get... Err... What is it? Oh, closure!

 

[G-Fex]

I think a lot of the rage comes from 10th Doctor's

Spoiler

I don't want to go!

line.

I think next season should have an episode where 10 comes back and meets 11, and is okay with

Spoiler

regenerating, because he realizes the guy he becomes aint so bad.

Or something like that. I feel that Tennant fans didn't get... Err... What is it? Oh, closure!

so its like ted kord blue beetle to jaime blue beetle?


I fucking love Matt Smith, he's so damn swell. I like everything about him, he's a great Doctor.

Playing TF2 last night, my name is The Doctor, and I ran into the 9th Doctor too, what are the odds?:lol

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

End-of-10 discussion spoilered for WW:

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I really liked Tennant, but I felt the Tenth Doctor had TOO much closure. They gave him a big finale that brought all of his people together and even gave him a fake-out death, then dragged out what felt like a year of codas plus a second finale.

 

[Blader]

I think next season should have an episode where 10 comes back and meets 11, and is okay with

Spoiler

regenerating, because he realizes the guy he becomes aint so bad.

That would suck.

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Plus, knowing the kind of guy 11 is wouldn't make 10 feel any better about not-existing. That was the whole point: regardless of who comes next, regenerating means that 10 will be gone forever, which he didn't want.

 

[maharg]

Again with the weird spoiler tagging? Has WanderingWind even once complained about being spoiled? I assume he's being careful, and has been all along.

Save spoiler tags for spoilers.

 

[WanderingWind]

Again with the weird spoiler tagging? Has WanderingWind even once complained about being spoiled? I assume he's being careful, and has been all along.

Save spoiler tags for spoilers.

I have been very careful, yeah. I also appreciate the diligence, guys. Thanks again. I just realized I'm almost out of free Doctor Who episodes.

I don't think I've ever blown through anything this fast before, save Whedon's various shows.

 

[Mr. Sam]

The regeneration may have already been spoiled by the dozens of Matt Smith avatars.

 

[WanderingWind]

The regeneration may have already been spoiled by the dozens of Matt Smith avatars.

I think The Unicorn and the Wasp is one of my favorite episodes, ever.

Dr. - "I need something salty!"
Donna - *hands over bottle*
Dr. - "What is it?!?"
Donna - "Salt!"
Dr. "That's too salty!"

:lol

 

[G-Fex]

I think The Unicorn and the Wasp is one of my favorite episodes, ever.

Dr. - "I need something salty!"
Donna - *hands over bottle*
Dr. - "What is it?!?"
Donna - "Salt!"
Dr. "That's too salty!"

:lol

I loved the other parts where he was trying to say something like in charades and she said something odd and he was like "What? Are you serious?"

 

[WanderingWind]

I loved the other parts where he was trying to say something like in charades and she said something odd and he was like "What? Are you serious?"

And the moving finger moves to....G-Fex.

EDIT: On to the Silence in the Library. The music is very Danny Elfman-esque in the beginning.

 

[G-Fex]

And the moving finger moves to....G-Fex.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[WanderingWind]

Oh, wow. A library the size of a planet. Fantastic design

Doctor just spoiler tagged Donna. Heh.

 

[G-Fex]

Oh, wow. A library the size of a planet. Fantastic design

Doctor just spoiler tagged Donna. Heh.

Yeah all the talk and mentioning the word Spoilers kinda annoyed me after a while.

 

[infiniteloop]

We're spoiler tagging season 4 now? Fuck.

The fact that Tennant went out like a whiney bitch moves him done the list for me.

 

[Eteric Rice]

That would suck.

Spoiler

Plus, knowing the kind of guy 11 is wouldn't make 10 feel any better about not-existing. That was the whole point: regardless of who comes next, regenerating means that 10 will be gone forever, which he didn't want.

It's been said that he's still the same person, just changed. I think 10 just liked being who he was at that time, and wasn't ready to go.

For all he knew, he could have ended up being like the 6th Doctor.

 

[infiniteloop]

That would suck for him and us.

 

[HolyCheck]

We're spoiler tagging season 4 now? Fuck.

The fact that Tennant went out like a whiney bitch moves him done the list for me.

more just for the sake of WW who's a good chap and currently steam rolling through all 5 seasons! don't worry, those nasty Americans haven't got their wishes. We'll spoiler blitz them come christmas special.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Again with the weird spoiler tagging? Has WanderingWind even once complained about being spoiled? I assume he's being careful, and has been all along.

Save spoiler tags for spoilers.

Ahem. Anywho...

 

[DrForester]

I think a lot of the rage comes from 10th Doctor's

Spoiler

I don't want to go!

line.

9th Doctors exit was so freaking cool. Tennant's seemed very very weak. I enjoyed the two parter special even thought I really hate

Spoiler

Simms, The Master, but it was such an improvement over S3 finale I didn't care

, but after Eccleston's exit it just seemed so pathetic.

"You were Fantastic..... and you know what? So was I"

Or something like that. I feel that Tennant fans didn't get... Err... What is it? Oh, closure!

How could they have gotten more closure?

 

[DrForester]

We're spoiler tagging season 4 now? Fuck.

The fact that Tennant went out like a whiney bitch moves him done the list for me.

We like WW, never say GAF isn't polite once and a while

 

[infiniteloop]

Let's hope nobody wants to start from Unearthly Child, the whole thread will be blacked out.

 

[Reno7728]

We like WW, never say GAF isn't polite once and a while

Must be because we're all the British ones :lol

 

[KibblesBits]

Let's hope nobody wants to start from Unearthly Child, the whole thread will be blacked out.

It is a perfect place to start though. Such a great first episode. Sooooooo good.

 

[HolyCheck]

Must be because we're all the British ones :lol

and an Australian! (of the only free settled state! no prison genes here)

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Let's hope nobody wants to start from Unearthly Child, the whole thread will be blacked out.

:lol I started there after Series 1, but only in short spurts so I'm still going through First Doctor stuff. It's really weird having two active points in a long-ass series, with content from 1980 being the most far-off in both directions.

 

[Eteric Rice]

It is a perfect place to start though. Such a great first episode. Sooooooo good.

Man, I can't wait until you get to season 5.