Eh, Children of Earth was really succesful on BBC America, and this will probably still have Barrowman, and the same creative team, so I'm sure it'll still involve Captain Jack doing Torchwood-y stuff, just internationally/in the US. Beyond that, what's left of the 'original' Torchwood that they'd be missing out on? Gwen is the only one left of the original team, and her character has a baby now. I'm sure they could bring her out for a few episodes a season, or something, but a 'brand new' Torchwood-team with Captain Jack at the helm should work fine, I guess.Mr. Sam said:
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If it's a remake of the existing Torchwood, then no; I don't really see that working. Too much of what Torchwood is is tied in to what Doctor Who is.
If, however, it's the story of a US branch of Torchwood - so a spin-off in the same universe - that could work for me. A bit like the various CSI franchises.
If, however, it's the story of a US branch of Torchwood - so a spin-off in the same universe - that could work for me. A bit like the various CSI franchises.
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Kuraudo said:
It was before Matt was cast and before Moffat had started the search, but Moffat was waiting to start which is why he had to give Tennant a deadline. Tennant met with Moffat, Moffat outlined all 13 episodes of Season 5, and Tennant decided he was indeed going to go, saying to RTD "It sounds amazing, but I want to watch it, not be in it."
The most interesting thing I took from this book - and it speaks volumes about how much RTD loves this show - he tried to pay for extra effects for The End of Time out of his own cash, but the BBC wouldn't bloody let him. This wasn't any small amount either - they were short £300,000!
They eventually found the money by making savings in Torchwood, Sarah Jane and The Waters of Mars, but initially RTD didn't want to do that - he wanted to pay!
As for Torchwood USA, why would there be a US branch? It's an organisation funded by the crown that answers directly to the monarch. Eh.
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mjc said:
I'm pretty sure the one in Amazon is still The Final Chapter, as long as you chose the Paperback and not the Hardcover. They just changed the cover for whatever reason.
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Only bits and pieces from filming, interviews etc.:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_8H3NvF7Sa_Q/SxQ1K3oxXQI/AAAAAAAAAaM/AgsJ9kUuUvE/spoilerchart.JPG
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Nickiepoo said:
The only people who knew back then were the production team, Tennant and RTD had the scripts for the first five episodes (then told Moffat to stop sending them so he too could watch and be surprised). Now? There's general information out there, sure, but we don't know in detail. That graph is a rough guess, not confirmed though.
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The new writers tale is fascinating. RTD did originally want a small personal finale not the typical End of the World affair but was worried about disappointing Tennant. There's quite a lot of dialogue RTD had to cut that really improves The End of Time especially with The Master and Naismith. Also bizarrely RTD originally wanted to have the Daleks and Timelords joining forces as enemies in the finale. And he originally wrote Journeys End as Davids swan song.
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Mr. Sam said:
His idea for the finale was entirely different. His actual intention for the last story was a quiet, Midnight-like affair.
RTD describes it as a small ship in space with a family of friendly, nice aliens on it. The engine's gone, and they're stuck in the middle of a deadly war zone. The Doctor lands on the ship. Lots of intimate, quiet scenes, while the budget is blown on the war stuff going on outside.
In the end, the broken engine is going to explode and so everything goes down much as it does in the final story now. The Doctor rants and raves and in the end sacrifices himself so the father of the family doesn't have to. It'd be a one-parter, and the last 10 minutes would be identical - RTD describes the companion goodbyes in great detail to Ben in the emails before he'd even started Planet of the Dead.
It's funny how you see where the ideas come from. The radiation/two doors stuff got inserted into the gate, the little ship became the Hersperus, the family of aliens became the two green guys. Some of the war stuff still survived in the form of the descent to earth.
There's a lot of interesting stuff about that final story in the book. The Time Lords returning came fairly late in the game - RTD got as far as the Master turning himself into everyone and didn't know where to go. He also felt that the Time Lords were too weak as an enemy, and for a time had this idea that on the final day of the war knowing what the Doctor was planning the Lord President actually surrendered to/allied with the Daleks, knowing the Doctor was going to try to destroy them both.
His idea wasn't "Journeys End" type stuff, but it meant that Time Lord council stuff would've been covert meetings between the President and the Daleks, trying to cut a deal with him offering them TARDIS technology in the deal, up the ante etc. In the end this idea was killed in a flurry of swearing after RTD found out Moffat planned to use the Daleks in series 5, and so he dropped the idea to give them a break.
Also, Donna. In the emails he's visibly torn as he tries to figure out how to integrate her. Funnily enough, again, since Planet of the Dead he had the scene where the "metacrisis halo" bursts out of her and protects her in an alleyway, but when it came to writing it he really wanted to bring her back properly, as he had visions of all these wonderful scenes between Catherine (as the DoctorDonna again) and John. In the end he backpedaled to his original idea, though, not wanting to ruin Donna's sad ending.
Also, Picked up the Specials Blu Ray Box set today. What a stunning sound mix.
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RTD was right in how people see his writing style... it really does come across as amateur if what was posted above is true.
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Yet he's created and written some of the best Dramas out of Britain in the past 10 years. Go figure.
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I think it would've been a lovely story, and the idea for an understated finale where the Doctor gives his life in the tiniest of gestures to save an unimportant family of aliens is wonderful, but the reason RTD dropped it was - and I quote - "Imaging pitching it to David". He felt Tennant deserved a big, loud finale, but he still managed to keep the tiny gesture part of his regeneration, which is great.
For a Doctor as big as David's, for the actor and for the audience and the press and such they need the big send-off. I could absolutely have seen that kind of finale for Eccleston, had he stayed on, mind.
For a Doctor as big as David's, for the actor and for the audience and the press and such they need the big send-off. I could absolutely have seen that kind of finale for Eccleston, had he stayed on, mind.
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I think the "tiny gesture" part works much better (for me, at least) in the end-of-the-world context we saw in The End of Time than in RTD's original idea. I personally find the Doctor sacrificing himself for just one relatively meaningless person a lot more poignant after all of the grand scale stuff that preceded it (defeating the Master and the Time Lords, saving the universe, etc.), than if it had been a smaller scale story the whole time.
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It looks like they're filming the finale now. Alex Kingston is on set, as is Nick Briggs (voice of Daleks, Cybermen and other aliens) and Barnaby Edwards (Dalek Operator). Nothing solid, but looks like another Dalek finale.
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Cool,
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Davros seemed like the only classic who villain that Davis didn't shit on
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Blader5489 said:
Definitely not.
When RTD went to use the Daleks in the finale, he asked Moffat. Moffat said "We have Daleks, but we don't have Davros, so why not use him?"
This is in the book. No Davros, for certain, as Moffat had written a lot by that point.
This is in the book. No Davros, for certain, as Moffat had written a lot by that point.
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So my copy of The Writer's Tale has still not shipped from Amazon despite having a delivery estimate ranging from the 26th to 28th... should I be worried?
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Not until the 28th passes, no. They have delivery estimates for a reason.
In other news; I'm still waiting for a damn start date on the series. Been visiting the BBC Press Office daily and the closest I've found is news that BBC Wales is building a new drama centre (it had a picture of Tennant & Smith at the top):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2010/01_january/18/village.shtml
Edit: And I used that picture to faff around with the banner:
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Blader5489 said:
I don't suppose you have a source on that? I'd love to be able to put the damn release date in the OP. Like I said, I've been visiting the BBC Press Office pretty regularly and have been using GallifreyBase as backup in case I miss it.
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That tie's gorgeous in its own right. I hope I'm not the only one that thinks that.
Matt action figures sell out!
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/Matt39s-Doctor-is-a-complete.6015644.jp
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/Matt39s-Doctor-is-a-complete.6015644.jp
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So apparently Amazon's supplier didn't go through with their promise and they do not even know when they are getting the book. I just cancelled my order and went for the Book Depository, which is at the same price and without shipping charges.
I'll still have to wait about two weeks to get it. Goddamn.
I'll still have to wait about two weeks to get it.
Goddamn.Regulus Tera said:So apparently Amazon's supplier didn't go through with their promise and they do not even know when they are getting the book. I just cancelled my order and went for the Book Depository, which is at the same price and without shipping charges.
I'll still have to wait about two weeks to get it.
You could always try some local book stores.
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Mr. Sam said:
I doubt there's anyone in Houston actually carrying the book.
Just watched 'The End of Time'. I really enjoyed Tennant's Doctor, but the finale felt a bit 'meh' in my opinion. Trying to close a lot of lose ends, typical everything undone with ease. I still think Tennant really grew into the role, and was spectacular throughout.
I do have high expectations for Smith, as I've liked what little we've seen so far. I'm hoping the writes stray from the convoluted story telling, and stick to the more dramatic episodes that encapsulate the plot within themselves mostly. Can't wait!
I do have high expectations for Smith, as I've liked what little we've seen so far. I'm hoping the writes stray from the convoluted story telling, and stick to the more dramatic episodes that encapsulate the plot within themselves mostly. Can't wait!
This is the episode I stopped at actually about a year ago... really found Series 3 to be rather boring and finally gave it up for a bit. Watched it the other night and was creeped the hell out! Not a good before bed time episode. :lol Just finished Utopia -- I actually watched some of the End of Time as my brother is a huge fan and he was also at my parents for Christmas so I had seen John Simm as the Master already unfortunately. I figure I really need to polish off 3 and S4 so I can be current when 5 is on.infiniteloop said:
Meier said:
It's been hinted that the new series will be a considerable departure from the old, so I dunno if you wanna go to all that trouble. If you do, don't forget the specials. Otherwise, I'd recommend you watch the Silence in the Library double and leave it there. If you're ever confused about something in series
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Mr. Sam said:
Are these 'hints' coming from internet-based RTD-haters though?
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Man, Jon Pertwee was a badarse Doctor. He did karate and Inferno was a better alternate dimensions story than Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel. I still like Turn Left more, though.
Currently watching The Ambassadors of Death after an unsuccessful try to get into the first Dalek serial. Pacing was horrible during the sixties.
Currently watching The Ambassadors of Death after an unsuccessful try to get into the first Dalek serial. Pacing was horrible during the sixties.
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I'd just spoiler them nevertheless.
Also, lol at some of the info in the magazine. The 11th Doctor could have been dressed like Captain Jack Sparrow of Pirates Of The Caribbean, but Matt Smith ended up choosing his clothes because he hated what they were trying to put him in. And Moffat hated the bow-tie and refused to let him wear it until Beth Willis stepped in and spoke up for it. :lol
Also, lol at some of the info in the magazine. The 11th Doctor could have been dressed like Captain Jack Sparrow of Pirates Of The Caribbean, but Matt Smith ended up choosing his clothes because he hated what they were trying to put him in. And Moffat hated the bow-tie and refused to let him wear it until Beth Willis stepped in and spoke up for it. :lol
Alphahawk said:
I have a feeling that even Moffat won't deliver this.
The most exciting news is
"Episodes Four and Five see the return of Alex Kingston as River Song." That's a confirmed double parter right there, yeah?
And the most interesting news was actually from the last issue of DWM. Apparently the new episodes have a bit of a "Tim Burton vibe." Hmm.
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