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Mr. Sam

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Almost gave away a massive spoiler there. Luckily I thought my post through before I posted it.

So, Silurians - someone give me a brief idea.
 
Mr. Sam said:
So, Silurians - someone give me a brief idea.

Don't really see how it's a spoiler if it's in the trailer?

If you are asking what they are, they're
lizardy things that live under the earth, they're cousins to Sea Devils
, irrc.

before a new series, I usually re-watch some old Who to get in the mood. This time I think it's going to be Spearhead from Space (for post regeneration),
Doctor Who and the Silurians, Sea Devils and Warriors of the Deep.
 

Mr. Sam

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infiniteloop said:
Don't really see how it's a spoiler if it's in the trailer?

If you are asking what they are, they're
lizardy things that live under the earth, they're cousins to Sea Devils
, irk.

before a new series, I usually re-watch some old Who to get in the mood. This time I think it's going to be Spearhead from Space (for post regeneration),
Doctor Who and the Silurians, Sea Devils and Warriors of the Deep.

I think I might start picking through some bits and pieces of old Who. Some of the stuff I've heard sounds genuinely interesting. They can't be any worse than, say, Tennant using psychic energy to make himself young again, disintegrate a cage and fly.
 
As long as you except that the special effects, sets and some of the costumes are groin achingly awful, and you can look past it, you'll enjoy most of it. There are some stinkers but if you can watch Fear Her, you can watch anything.
 

Mr. Sam

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infiniteloop said:
As long as you except that the special effects, sets and some of the costumes are groin achingly awful, and you can look past it, you'll enjoy most of it. There are some stinkers but if you can watch Fear Her, you can watch anything.

To be fair, my friend insisted on providing a humorous commentary to Fear Her the first time it was on telly so it wasn't so bad for me.
 

mjc

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Ok guys.

I jumped onto DW with the 2005 revival. If I were to use Netflix Instant Watch, which has a decent amount of older Who specials on it, which ones would be beneficial for me to watch just for fun? They have:

The Ark in Space
The City of Death
Pyramids of Mars
The Pirate Planet
The Ribos Operation
The Three Doctors
The Aztecs
The Stones of Blood
The Talons of Weng-Chiang
The Leisure Hive
The Androids of Tara
The Visitation
The Mind Robber
Horror of Fang Rock
The Power of Kroll
Spearhead from Space
The Seeds of Death
Carnival of Monsters
The Caves of Androzani
Vengeance on Varos
The Green Death
The Curse of Fenric
Ghost Light
The Armageddon Factor
Earthshock
The Tomb of the Cybermen
The Robots of Death
 

Raydeen

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The Ark in Space - Good (poor FX now though, but a great story) - Villians in this were made for a CGI reimagination in the new series.
The City of Death - Excellent! With Julian Glover and real shooting in Paris! And Romana in a schoolgirl outfit!
Pyramids of Mars - Out and out classic!
The Pirate Planet - Quirky - Douglas Adams nuff said!
The Ribos Operation - Mmmhhhh OK
The Three Doctors - Bit Crap apart from all first 3 Doctors.
The Aztecs - Good, but slow by today's standards
The Stones of Blood - K9 vs Giant Stonehenge standing stones...that suck your blood!
The Talons of Weng-Chiang - Probably one of the greatest Dr Who stories of all time. If not the best...apart from the dodgy fake rat in the sewers! Brilliant from start to finish!
The Leisure Hive - New Look that ushered in the 80's. Sparkly and spangly with a brand new producer.
The Androids of Tara - Yawwwwnnnnn
The Visitation - Not bad historical 80's romp with Peter Davision
The Mind Robber - Not bad, intresting and surreal at times and Zoe in her spanky tight 60's outfit. Oh my!
Horror of Fang Rock - Good old fashioned horror romp
The Power of Kroll - CRAP!
Spearhead from Space - Only Doctor Who episode to be shot entirely on 35mm film - looks like a 70's Sci-fi movie instead of a cheap TV show like it usually did for that era. And it has Autons!!
The Seeds of Death - Poorer of the Ice Warriors episodes. Sadly BBC destroyed the good ones.
Carnival of Monsters - Fun Pertwee romp
The Caves of Androzani - usually vies with Talons as the best Dr Who story ever. Terrific stuff with a compelling and tragic villian.
Vengeance on Varos - Colin Baker era - torture porn in a Dr Who episode!
The Green Death - Giant Killer maggots!!!!!
The Curse of Fenric - Oddity of one of the best Dr Who stories in the poorest era of Dr Who. Really well written and quite smart
Ghost Light - See above.
The Armageddon Factor - Mmmmugghhh.
Earthshock - Awesome!! Find out how the Dinosaurs died out!
The Tomb of the Cybermen - Even more awesome!
The Robots of Death - It had Robots...that deal death!! Another fan favourite. Pamela Salem in this episode gave me the horn as a schoolboy...actually she still does when I watch it. :D
 

mjc

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Damn, thanks for giving impressions on all of them. I'll definitely add a couple to my list of things to watch. :D
 
mjc said:
The City of Death
Pyramids of Mars
The Three Doctors
The Talons of Weng-Chiang
Horror of Fang Rock
Spearhead from Space
The Caves of Androzani
The Curse of Fenric
Ghost Light
Earthshock
The Tomb of the Cybermen
The Robots of Death

Bolded the best ones
 

Raydeen

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Martha Jones's hot little sister cast in the new J.J Abrahams spy series.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/12/exclusive-meet-j-j-abrams-latest-discovery/

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Clevinger

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Awesome. She is ridiculously gorgeous.


And she's a good actress, too, who's been wasted in a lot of bad TV shows. Hopefully that one's better.
 

Mr. Sam

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Raydeen said:
Martha Jones's hot little sister cast in the new J.J Abrahams spy series.

Martha's family was another reason I disliked her so much. The sister wasn't so bad, but her brother was Reggie Yates off CBBC. Reggie. Why was RTD so keen on giving acting jobs to children's presenters? They suck at acting!

G-Fex said:
I'm watching the end of time part 1 right now.

Master having infamous powers. :lol

I don't know why I never drew that parallel.
 

G-Fex

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Breakdown time.

OH MY GOD NOOO WHY TENNANT WAS MY FAVORITE DOCTOR HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME WHO THE HELL DOES THIS WEASEL THINK HE IS HES NO DOCTOR[/endrant]

I'm really sorta heartbroken though seeing as tennant really was my favorite. ...well least he had a good two final episodes for him. Really good, I liked this christmas special a lot.
 

Mr. Sam

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G-Fex said:
Breakdown time.

OH MY GOD NOOO WHY TENNANT WAS MY FAVORITE DOCTOR HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME WHO THE HELL DOES THIS WEASEL THINK HE IS HES NO DOCTOR[/endrant]

I'm really sorta heartbroken though seeing as tennant really was my favorite. ...well least he had a good two final episodes for him. Really good, I liked this christmas special a lot.

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sprsk

force push the doodoo rock
Am finally getting around to watching the Martha season again, god I hate her constant crushing on the Doctor.
 

Sqorgar

Banned
mjc said:
I jumped onto DW with the 2005 revival. If I were to use Netflix Instant Watch, which has a decent amount of older Who specials on it, which ones would be beneficial for me to watch just for fun?
That's a tough question because it takes a certain mindset to really appreciate classic Who. Most of the favorite episodes must be taken in context of all the changes and different directions the show has taken over the past half century. Tom Baker, for example, has multiple tonal shifts during his tenure - starting out as gothic horror, then moving into Douglas Adams cartoonishness, and then back to more mature, though less terrifying episodes. Though the gothic horror episodes tend to be more well respected, it could be that you would more prefer the goofy fun of City of Death or Pirate Planet.

Here are a few guidelines:

1. Robert Holmes is by far the best Who writer there ever was. With few exceptions, you can pick an episode written by him and find something worthwhile.

2. Serials tend to include lots of filler (especially 6+ episodes). Usually, the first story is pretty poor, but usually they pick up by the second or third episode.

3. Don't start watching the really amazing stories off the bat. Build up some tolerance to the classic way of doing things first. Try some of the decent but not awesome episodes. All six of the Key of Time stories seem to be available (Ribos Operation, Pirate Planet, Stones of Blood, Androids of Tara, Power of Krull, Armageddon Factor) and those are all loosely linked episodes of varying quality.

4. Similarly, avoid the regeneration episodes until you have a few episodes of that particular Doctor under your belt. Though Caves of Androzani is considered one of the best, if not the best, Doctor Who episode, it's hard to mourn for a character you aren't invested in. Save it for later.

5. The Dalek episodes are the more lore heavy episodes. Most Who stories require no prerequisite viewing, but the Dalek stuff usually requires at least a passing knowledge of Davros and certain events.

6. If an episode is known for having bad special effects, this is by Doctor Who standards. That is, the monster is a guy with trashbags on his head waving his arms around going "grr". If bad special effects really bother you, the third Doctor is earthbound for most of his run and doesn't tend to tax the poor special effects budget of the BBC too badly.

7. Remember to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
 

womp

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The Time Warrior and Ark in Space are other excellent stories for someone new to classic Who and available on DVD as well. Honestly I think Genesis of the Daleks is a good way to introduce the the Daleks too since it is the story that pretty much laid down their backstory and well "genesis". It is also just flat out brilliant to boot, amazing writing and even decent effects all things considered.

As someone who has watched Dr. Who for 30 odd years, I was able to get my wife to enjoy it as well with the Tom Baker episodes. She ended up really liking it, loved Tom's portrayal of the character and it made her interested in the Eccleston/Tennant stuff when it premiered as well.
 
I spent yesterday utterly engrossed by the Writer's Tale book. 500 pages in so far.

It's funny stuff, and interesting to see with like, the Pompeii script, how he turned it around significantly (with the exception of the TK Maximus line), his appalling work ethic and the ideas and how they get developed/evolve/come together. Gave me a bit more respect for RTD.
 
JonathanEx said:
I spent yesterday utterly engrossed by the Writer's Tale book. 500 pages in so far.

It's funny stuff, and interesting to see with like, the Pompeii script, how he turned it around significantly (with the exception of the TK Maximus line), his appalling work ethic and the ideas and how they get developed/evolve/come together. Gave me a bit more respect for RTD.

I may have to buy the new edition of this. Absolutely loved the original.

Also, I splurged and bought this:

http://www.realtimelords.com/checkout.doctors.coat.html

I actually need a new coat and I like the design. I don't think too many people will recognize where it is from here in Toronto. I'll get mobbed at Comic Conventions though. :lol
 

Mr. Sam

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DoctorWho said:
I may have to buy the new edition of this. Absolutely loved the original.

Also, I splurged and bought this:

http://www.realtimelords.com/checkout.doctors.coat.html

My dad has a coat quite a bit like that, and I'm fairly certain he spent under $299 for it. It's a bit 'old fashioned' for my tastes. However, because of the snow in the UK, I've spent the last fortnight wearing converse(s?) with a suit. I also have a pen that bears a striking resemblance to a sonic screwdriver. Shame the snow's melted now really.

Jesus, I sound like I'm ten years old.

Edit: 'Cept not many ten year olds wear suits.
 
I can't afford anything right now, and you link me to a $300 jacket. Sadface.

I'm about to go charity shop searching for Matt Smith style stuff. See, as we look alike (as many people have commented), if I gradually change my style over time before the series starts to match his costume, it will make people say he looks like me, rather than me looking like him.
 
Mr. Sam said:
My dad has a coat quite a bit like that, and I'm fairly certain he spent under $299 for it. It's a bit 'old fashioned' for my tastes. However, because of the snow in the UK, I've spent the last fortnight wearing converse(s?) with a suit. I also have a pen that bears a striking resemblance to a sonic screwdriver. Shame the snow's melted now really.

Jesus, I sound like I'm ten years old.

Edit: 'Cept not many ten year olds wear suits.

I'm a bit ol' fashioned so it seems quite right for me. The lining is a bit off and I may have it changed out. I'm a little worried about the length but it seems to match how the Doctor wears it - just a little above the ankles. $299 is a bit steep but I spent $200 on my last coat so it didn't seem like too much of a leap.

Sheppard said:
Awesome...I just bought a new jacket.....thanks Doctor....

You're welcome.
 
I typed up an entry from The Writer's Tale: The Final Chapter that particularly grabbed me. It's about RTD having a panic attack of all things, but it really shows - like the rest of the book - that he's not the big, camp man that his press persona makes him out to be, constantly shouting hooray. It also drives home just how stressful it must be to be the face of such a successful, massive franchise.

The man truly is brilliant, I think. This is an incredibly candid book and it really shows how horribly stressful that job is, and how long the specials were in limbo for because of Torchwood series 3, budget issues, David's wobble on leaving, the almost-cancellation of The Waters of Mars, and other issues is truly astonishing; they came together very quickly.

The wobble dominates most of an entire chapter of emails. David very briefly changed his mind about leaving. Moffat gave him a weekend to decide and ended up extending it by a week, RTD describes in emails how disappointed he is (because he only stayed on for the specials to 'finish' David's run) but then after a meeting with Moffat where the entire of Series 5 was laid out, David changed his mind back again.

There's a wonderful moment where RTD decides who should cause the Doctor's demise mid email. He's describing his plan for the plot, where the Doctor dies for some random technician - and suddenly it dawns on him, and he types OH MY GOD in all caps. It's wonderful to read.

Anyway, the panic attack. I loved this entry. This happened the day after the NTAs, where David announced his leaving via a video link with RTD, Julie & others in the audience.

From: Russell T Davies To Banjamin Cook, Thursday 30 OCtober 2008 23:50:10 GMT
RE: Operation Cobra
What. A. Bloody. Night. I don't mean yesterday's NTA's (I'll update you on that soon, I promise); I mean tonight...

I'd promised to re-open the Cardiff Bay Doctor Who Exhibition. Nice refit, much bigger, and with a Supreme Dalek rising out of the ground that I could have watched forever. I was only expecting about 20 people to turn up. (It's in a Cardiff shopping centre, on a Thursday Night.) When will I learn? This show! A good 300+ people turned up. Still, all very nice, and my speech was funny, and two Cybermen burst through a polystyrene door. Great fun. THen it all went wrong. I was shown through the exhibition, barely realizing that all 300 people were following me. All well and good, until I reached the end. There was this little boxed area where we sort of paused, photographers were snapping away, and I was told to wait, because they wanted me with the Cybermen, so I waited... and then 300 people appeared. Not all of them, obviously. Not at first. First of all, it was just three nice boys - autograph, photo, thanks - and then two nice girls - autograph, photo, thanks - then a lesbian couple who wanted me to sign a bowling skittle (honestly!), then a dozen people, then two dozen, then three...

Imagine one of our book signings, but with no control, no order, no queue, no table, no system, no one in charge, no post-its, no pens, no space, just people, people, people. It was a nightmare. It just wouldn't stop. As it started to get worse, people from BBC Branding and Worldwide tried to stop it and turn people away, except there was no away for them to be turned to. 'Anyway,' I said, 'you can't,' because there were wide-eyed kids all jamming forward, holding out annuals, storybooks, and bloody napkins to be signed, and parents with those cameras, those bastard cameras that never bloody work. I'm trying to sign things with nothing to rest on. It's so impossible to sign something flimsy in mid-air. Especially when the pen won't write. And the Post-It, Ben! The Post-It is a thing of genius. Take away the Post-It, and you find yourself shouting at some goggling kid, above the noise, 'What's your name?' 'Meep.' 'What's your name?' 'Meep.' 'WHAT'S YOUR NAME?!' 'Meep.' 'What, Jack? Jason? John? Joe? What. Is. Your. NAME?!!!' And that's just the first stage. Next, it's 'How do you spell that?' One girl's name was Jessamond. Lovely kid, but 'J, E, double S -' What, sorry, pardon? WHAT?!

But I can cope with that. I thought, if I have to stay here for three bloody hours, I can do it. Except then - and it's dark in this exhibition, and the space is tight, and no one knows what the hell is going on - I have a genuine, proper, rare panic attack. You'll never have seen me like that. It hardly ever happens to me these days. It happens to me in crowds, in tight spaces, if the situation is unexpected. Certain situations trigger it, and it's horrible, because everything goes hyper. It's like I can see and hear everything faster - and like I think faster, way too fast. It's all scrolling in my head. The physical signs are: I start to shake a bit, and I sweat. It pours off me. It really pours. There are, literally, drops of sweat falling off my head, not just once or twice, but all the time. All the bloody time. Kids are actually going 'Ewww,' because they're getting hit by my sweat. Can you imagine?

Oh god, I'm shamed. I've had those attacks before, but never, never, in all my life, with everyone taking photos. It's going mental in my head, all the time I'm grabbing pieces of paper - 'What's your NAME?!' - and stooping down to two-foot-four to have my photo taken with some bloody toddler who doens't even watch Doctor Who, and the camera doesn't bloody work. By now, I'm actually losing control. I'm swearing in front of these kids. Well, not at them. I was hissing at the BBC people, 'Bloody stop them!' One of the Branding Team had twigged that something was wrong, except I'm too bloody embarrassed to say anything properly, and my hands are full of SHarpies and annuals, and then he starts shouting 'Everyone get back!' But I'm going, 'Stop bloody shouting!'

I should have just stopped and walked away, but I'm beyond anything sensible by that stage. I'm shivering. I'm dropping pens and napkins, scrabbling for them on the floor, and kids can't even say their own names, and people keep taking photos. I've all these little trip-words and conditions in my head that I can repeat to calm myself down... but like I said, I've never been in that situation before, with everyone talking at me, looking at me, and photographing me, so nothing was working. Eventually - and this goes on for a solid ten minutes, an endless ten minutes - I realise that I'm trapped into signing anything that's offered, so the solution is to stop people even seeing me which means cutting off the procession at the corner. I'm hissing, 'Stop them! That corner! STOP THEM COMING ROUND THE FUCKING CORNER!!!' Some teenage girl said, 'You shouldn't swear,' and she's lucky I didn't fucking punch her.

The Branding and Worldwide people wade in, and stop the whole exhibition. And I get out. I walk out of the shopping center - still being chased by kids and families - and I'm ice cold with sweat by now, feeling ridiculous, still shaking. Oh God. Stood in the cold. I smoked five cigarettes in a row. Clamed down. Even then, I'm ashamed, because the Branding and Worldwide people won't leave me alone. They're still dancing attendance, so I have to explain myself - 'I have a problem with crowds' - knowing that will be all around the office in the morning, like I'm some bloody nutjob. I'd never tell them that normally. Oh, CHrist knows what they'll say about me tomorrow. Sod 'em.

Anyway. There we go. But then it got funny. I still had a job to do. I had to do press interviews. The first one was with a 10-year-old girl, a reporter for First News or something, 'The world's only primary-school newspaper'! Her name was Tali. She was from Hampstead. Being 10, she wrote out all my answers in longhand.'When... David... de...cided... to... leave...' Christ Almighty.

Phew. So, that was a night and a half.

Some of the most interesting entries in the book are about coping with things like Press Launches, deadlines, all that kind of stuff. I find the interesting bits are about the writing process and not so much Doctor Who itself, though the book is filled with Who gems too.

I love that particular entry and the book in general because it exposes the real RTD. He has this press persona of being this big, excitable gay who shouts hooray and calls everything wonderful, but in reality he's an insecure, flawed, regular, talented, amazing guy. I read the original cut of this book but the extended version is increasing my respect of him even further.

Series 5 Tidbit:
There's some emails between Moffat and RTD in this book that are quite cool. There's the decision to actually show Matt made - it was on the table for David to just begin regenerating and then cut away to save Matt for series One, but both Moffat and RTD agree that they want Matt to be seen in the old console room for continuity's sake, and then Moffat asks that RTD ensures David regenerates with his tie on, as the tie plays a role in Matt's first story.

Anyway, buy this book. If you have any interest in Doctor Who or the process of writing & producing for TV in general it's bloody wonderful. For those of you who bought the first edition this new version is a pretty substantial upgrade, adding about a third of the thickness of the original book again - over 300 pages of new stuff, covering The Next Doctor up until The End of Time.
 

mjc

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So is it kind of a personal account of what it was like to reboot DW? (From RTD's perspective)

If it has behind the scenes stuff like that I might look into it tomorrow.

Edit: Amazon doesn't have a listing for the reworked version. Hmmmm.
 
It's not so much the behind the scenes of the reboot, rather, you get Russell's side of things from the moment he started working on Series 4 up until finishing End of Time.

It's truly a fantastic read, and I was hooked and could hardly put the book down! It's more behind the scenes than anything else, as it's Russell, sitting at his computer, explaining what he's trying to write and what's going on. Oh, and all the men he fancies.


So I'm gonna agree. If you like Doctor Who, or like behind the scenes of TV, GO FOR IT. BUY IT. NOW. And while you wait for it to turn up, you can read some of it at http://rhwidget.randomhouse.co.uk/f...81846078613&menu=0&mode=1&cf=336699&cb=FFFFFF

Also, Visible Ben is brilliant.
 
It's not an account, as such. The way it came about was interesting.

Ben Foster - a writer for Doctor Who Magazine and a journalist with a lot of Who expertise - the day Matt Smith was announced he was on BBC breakfast and did hours of radio interviews - was chatting to Russell and put the idea past him of writing a book about the process of writing Who.

The idea was as RTD wrote Series 4 Ben would be like a living, breathing, talking diary. He'd then use RTD's anecdotes and thoughts throughout to compose a biography-like book.

Except when they went back and looked the emails were so bloody good that there was no need to make them into a Biography. And so you have The Writer's Tale - 700 pages of emails between RTD and Ben Foster at every stage of the production of Series 4 and the Specials.

They're largely unedited, featuring everything from RTD childishly cursing out members of the production team (then regretting it) to him opening up about being gay and coming out. The reason the book is so wonderfully candid is because neither of them thought that they'd publish the emails - they thought Ben was going to fashion carefully edited highlights from them.

It's not just limited to those two, though. There's emails between Julie Gardner and RTD, emails between Moffat and RTD - stuff like that. There's also cartoons RTD drew - he first drew the Toclafane back in Series 1! Those little metal sphere were cooked up as a potential replacement for the Daleks when they thought they didn't have the rights from the Nation Estate! There's a great sketch of Eccleston with one.

There's also entire sections from scripts in an unfinished form, rejected episode ideas, stuff like that.

It's a fantastic book. Above all else, though, it's personal, and it gives a glimpse into the hell that running that show is. I think a lot of people fail to realise just how much RTD does, even to Episodes that aren't his.
 
Slight correction AP, Ben Foster is the conductor of Who's music (who I have a slight man-crush on after meeting. We had a nice little chat about the Proms), Ben Cook is the guy from this book

/nerd

APZonerunner said:
It's a fantastic book. Above all else, though, it's personal, and it gives a glimpse into the hell that running that show is. I think a lot of people fail to realise just how much RTD does, even to Episodes that aren't his.
Oh god yes! It's the rewriting! The amount he fixed up plots, dialogues, it's really a lot of work and he's done it so well.
I find it interesting to see how his "let all the ideas stew in your mind, think about them in the Maybe" sort of work ethic is pretty much like mine: and when you get down to it, right by the deadline, you plough through it. He might be actually writing it at the last minute, but the speed he ploughs through those pages when getting down to it and the amount of thinking and decision making that's gone in to it before that is huge!
 
Yes, wrong Ben surname. They all merge together in my mind. I should really remember, though, as I went to one of the signings for the first version!
 
DoctorWho said:
So the extra content is worth it if you have the original writer's tale?

I found the extra parts to be the most interesting of the lot, purely because there's a lot of emotions going on in that time - leaving anxiety for RTD, David and Julie, Steven/Piers needing to be involved in decisions, making everything even more difficult, sheduling problems, Torchwood 5 and Sarah Jane problems, budgetary constraints thanks to the recession, the constant changing direction of 4.16, the near cancellation of 4.16, Freema and Noel both dropping out of Torchwood last minute due to scheduling issues - it makes for really interesting reading.
 

Kuraudo

Banned
Tennant nearly stayed on? D:

Was this after Matt Smith had already been cast?


Book sounds great though. It caught my eye in Waterstones one day and I thought it was a standard autobiography - something I had no interest in from RTD. That excerpt's sold me on it though.
 

Thomper

Member
This sounds... pretty interesting?
http://www.thrfeed.com/2010/01/fox-readying-us-version-of-torchwood-.html

Exclusive: Huge news for sci-fi fans: Fox is developing a stateside version of the U.K. hit series “Torchwood.”

The project is from BBC Worldwide Prods., with original series creator Russell Davies writing the script.

A more straight-faced spinoff of “Doctor Who,” “Torchwood” is about a covert group that investigates and fights alien activity. Two series aired domestically on BBC America as well as last year’s well reviewed stand-alone miniseries, “Children of Earth,” which broke all ratings records for the network. (If you're a fan of serious sci fi such as "Battlestar Galatica" and haven't seen "Children of Earth," rent it. You don't need to know anything about the series. And I know the previews for "Torchwood" can look silly. Trust me, it's terrific. Like "24" with aliens).

Unlike U.S. adaptations that have gone awry, “Torchwood” fans can take comfort that the original producing team is on board. In addition to Davies, exec producers include Davies’ producing partner Julie Gardner (former head of drama at BBC Wales for the show’s first season) and Jane Tranter (another BBC vet, now exec VP programming and production at BBC Worldwide Prods. in the U.S.).
The BBC seems to struggle with ordering another series of Torchwood, so if Fox is ordering it... might be nice.
 

Thomper

Member
mjc said:
And if it's on Fox its gonna get canceled after a season.

Also, no Captain Jack, no sale.
Barrowman would be part of the show.
Also, some of the current cast — most likely John Barrowman, who plays the immortal Capt. Jack Harkness — might star if Fox orders “Torchwood” to pilot.

As for the new show’s plot, the U.S. version will contain a global story line compared to the more localized sensibility of the first two BBC seasons.

Also, don't get the hate for Fox. They've been getting a lot better recently, perhaps even too much so: Dollhouse was getting abysmal ratings by the end of season 1, yet it got a season 2. Same for Sarah Connor Chronicles. Plus, as shows like Glee and Fringe have shown: they're more than willing to invest and promote new drama heavily.

The problem with a British, BBC-produced season 4 of Torchwood right now seems to be that BBC just doesn't have the budget to make it as big as a show like that probably should be. It takes a lot to create sci-fi, and BBC seems to be getting less and less money each year. Having the show go to Fox would probably be the best possible solution: as has been noted, the same creative team would work on it, Barrowman would probably be involved, the big difference is the network being American, and the changes that brings with it. If this means the show will have a 22-episode season, I'm not sure how well that would work. Still, though: right now, this seems like the best possible path for Torchwood.
 

Mr. Sam

Member
Thomper said:
The BBC seems to struggle with ordering another series of Torchwood, so if Fox is ordering it... might be nice.

I'll shake my head and frown if Fox develops its own version independent of the original. If its the original but just more Americanised, I can live with that.

Just so long as they don't make an American version of Doctor Who.
 
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