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Official Doctor Who Series 1, 5, 31, or Fnarg Thread of Moffat & Smith

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Mr. Sam

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Messypandas said:
Is there any info on the episode Stephen Fry was going to write? I know he pulled out, but was there ever an outline?

Not that I know of.

My watching of Series 2 continues. Tooth & Claw was much better than I remembered - possibly one of my favourite Who episodes now.

I'm going to forego School Reunion (ruined by child acting and bad CG, I'm afraid) and go straight to The Girl in the Fireplace. Hope I got the name wrong. Popcorn's just out of the microwave. Back in a bit.
 
Mr. Sam said:
Was I the only one unaware that there was a Children In Need Special set in between Series 1 & 2?

Didn't you wonder how he went from regenerating to landing on Christmas day?:loll

I've always liked that little scene, made me warm to Tennant immediately, plus it has cloister bell.
 
Just watched the two End of Time episodes back to back.

It's a bit sad seeing Tennant go, but I guess a new Doctor is needed after 3 (and a bit) seasons. There is always Moffat to look forward to.

Part 1 dragged at times, but Part 2 was brilliant.

I also watched the trailer for the next season.
River Song
is back! <3
 

Mr. Sam

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infiniteloop said:
Didn't you wonder how he went from regenerating to landing on Christmas day?:loll

I just assumed it was one of those things that they just didn't have to explain. :lol

whatsinaname said:
River Song
is back! <3

The one thing that's always concerned me with that is
it's said - or heavily implied - that she's met Tennant's Doctor before, yet Tennant never meets her again after that.
I wonder if they'll explain that.

Just finished watching 'The Girl in the Fireplace'. I love Moffat's callback to 'The Doctor Dances' with the banana talk - the Doctor replaced Captain Jack's "squareness gun" (which reappears in the Library episodes, oddly enough) with a banana in it. And the ending is genuinely saddening and I doubt Moffat will feel the need to undo or soften it, like RTD did with his saddest bits. I can't help but wonder if it would have worked better as a two-parter though. Less of a lightning pace that way...

And another thing; Eccleston's Doctor seemed to like blowing things up. He blows up a department store in the first episode of New Who and then implies he blew up a weapons factory (which was then replaced by banana... fields?) in The Empty Child.

I also realised that the half-human doctor is almost definitely going to reappear down the line, and the whole half-human thing will be used to explain why he's aged if it's in, say, ten years time. Shame I don't think we'll ever see Eccleston back.
 

Mr. Sam

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gdt5016 said:
The "Smith and Jones" episode is airing in a bit, is that a good one?

Not one of my favourites but worth a watch. It's the one that introduces Martha Jones as a companion. It's got some fun bits, I'll say that much for it.
 

Blader

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Mr. Sam said:
The one thing that's always concerned me with that is
it's said - or heavily implied - that she's met Tennant's Doctor before, yet Tennant never meets her again after that.
I wonder if they'll explain that.

I thought the implication was that the Doctor she married (they were married right?) was older than Tennant.

What worries me is that she when she sees the Doctor in "Silence in the Library," she says something along the lines of how that's the youngest she's ever seen him. But she's obviously going to meet the Eleventh Doctor, who is clearly younger than Ten.

gdt5016 said:
The "Smith and Jones" episode is airing in a bit, is that a good one?

That's an old one. I thought you said you just needed to see the specials?
 
Blader5489 said:
What worries me is that she when she sees the Doctor in "Silence in the Library," she says something along the lines of how that's the youngest she's ever seen him. But she's obviously going to meet the Eleventh Doctor, who is clearly younger than Ten.
I just assumed she meant
younger as in the earliest regeneration she's seen.
 

Mr. Sam

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Blader5489 said:
I thought the implication was that the Doctor she married (they were married right?) was older than Tennant.

It's implied that they were married, or at least romantically involved. The idea of The Doctor "getting it on" with his companions has always creeped me out. The dude's 900 years old! Talk about cradle-snatching. RTD's fanwank at the end of S4 gave me the shivers.

What worries me is that she when she sees the Doctor in "Silence in the Library," she says something along the lines of how that's the youngest she's ever seen him. But she's obviously going to meet the Eleventh Doctor, who is clearly younger than Ten.

As The Doctor's wife/whatever, I'd imagine she's aware of his regenerations. Therefore, at 9?? years old, he's technically the youngest she's ever seen him - particularly as it's the first time he's met her.

Still, if Tennant's Doctor never directly met her, how did she recognise him? Why did she think he'd recognise her? Surely if she's involved with an older Doctor, she wouldn't expect his younger version - who she only meets this once - to recognise her.

Damn you, wibbley-wobbly timey-wimey stuff!
 

gdt

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Blader5489 said:
That's an old one. I thought you said you just needed to see the specials?

I don't really remember it, I saw the first and second new seasons, I think. And then saw whatever's been airing on Sci-Fi and BBCAM.

I don't think I've seen this one.
 

Mr. Sam

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gdt5016 said:
I don't really remember it, I saw the first and second new seasons, I think. And then saw whatever's been airing on Sci-Fi and BBCAM.

I don't think I've seen this one.

Potential (but not really) spoiler ahead to test if you've seen it; I doubt it'll ruin the episode for you:
it's the one with talking rhinos.
 

Blader

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gdt5016 said:
I don't really remember it, I saw the first and second new seasons, I think. And then saw whatever's been airing on Sci-Fi and BBCAM.

I don't think I've seen this one.

Well "Smith and Jones" is the first episode of S3.

And if you've only seen S1 and 2, then I definitely would not recommend watching the specials now. :lol
 

OMG Aero

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River Song also tells Tennant a list of things and asks if they have done any of them yet to find out what part of his life he is at, implying that she travelled with Tennant.
If the River Song's adventures with the Doctor aren't until Matt Smith (Which is looking to be the case), then she wouldn't need to ask this question since (to her) Tennant is either the regeneration before Matt Smith and before they met or after Matt Smith and would have done all of their adventures.
 
Mr. Sam said:
The dude's 900 years old!

I've always found it funny its implied the Doctor is 900 years old and yet his periods between regenerations are typically short. He either had a looong life before he first regenerated or gallifrey years are relatively short.
 
OMG Aero said:
River Song also tells Tennant a list of things and asks if they have done any of them yet to find out what part of his life he is at, implying that she travelled with Tennant.
If the River Song's adventures with the Doctor aren't until Matt Smith (Which is looking to be the case), then she wouldn't need to ask this question since (to her) Tennant is either the regeneration before Matt Smith and before they met or after Matt Smith and would have done all of their adventures.
Unless the Doctor meets her again after his Matt Smith regeneration.
 
Mr. Sam said:
It's implied that they were married, or at least romantically involved. The idea of The Doctor "getting it on" with his companions has always creeped me out. The dude's 900 years old! Talk about cradle-snatching. RTD's fanwank at the end of S4 gave me the shivers.



As The Doctor's wife/whatever, I'd imagine she's aware of his regenerations. Therefore, at 9?? years old, he's technically the youngest she's ever seen him - particularly as it's the first time he's met her.

Still, if Tennant's Doctor never directly met her, how did she recognise him? Why did she think he'd recognise her? Surely if she's involved with an older Doctor, she wouldn't expect his younger version - who she only meets this once - to recognise her.

Damn you, wibbley-wobbly timey-wimey stuff!

I don't know how she recognized him, but she looks into his eyes and says something like 'Look at your eyes. It's the youngest I have seen you.' So it's not by his face, I guess. Also, Sarah Jane does not recognise him. Hopefully Moffat ties it together.
 

Mr. Sam

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Blader5489 said:
With Tom Baker? I should hope not.

They did a bit on Dead Ringers where one of the impressionists went round as Tom Baker's Doctor on a train. He said his companion had a "wonderful pair of norks" and that he once gave her five pounds to "push them together." Is Dead Ringers canon?

Edit:

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Mr. Sam said:
Ah, but she never had sex with him.

Did she?
:D

Another possibility,
After the Waters of Mars and before he meets the Ood at the start of The End of Time, he traveled around a bit didn't he? He says something about getting married, though not to Song. Maybe he got married twice.
:lol
 

gdt

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Blader5489 said:
And if you've only seen S1 and 2, then I definitely would not recommend watching the specials now. :lol

Meh, I'm not that big a fan where I want to dig up S3+. I just want to start watching the new season now and then.

There's a reason I quit watching you know :p.
 

Mr. Sam

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gdt5016 said:
Meh, I'm not that big a fan where I want to dig up S3+. I just want to start watching the new season now and then.

You wanna watch S3's finale. It's not all that great, but it does have John fuckin' Simm hamming it up so it's well worth a watch.
 

Blader

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Mr. Sam said:
You wanna watch S3's finale. It's not all that great, but it does have John fuckin' Simm hamming it up so it's well worth a watch.

And he was in rare form for The End of Time. :lol

DINNER TIIIIIME!!
 

Mr. Sam

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Blader5489 said:
And he was in rare form for The End of Time. :lol

DINNER TIIIIIME!!

John Simm is just ridiculously awesome. Life On Mars is another great, albeit very different, time travel drama with him in.

Does anyone have that gif from the end of Gridlock, only with the Doctor describing GAF instead of Gallifrey?
 

maharg

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whatsinaname said:
:D

Another possibility,
After the Waters of Mars and before he meets the Ood at the start of The End of Time, he traveled around a bit didn't he? He says something about getting married, though not to Song. Maybe he got married twice.
:lol

He pretty much said he got married to Queen Elizabeth I. He said her nickname, though, Old Queen Bess.
 

Mr. Sam

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My God, the Cybermen episodes in Series 2 are so bad! I almost lost it when a dying Cyberman asked "Where's Gareth?". Mickey and Jake can't act at all - it's painful to watch.
 

Raydeen

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whatsinaname said:
:D

Another possibility,
After the Waters of Mars and before he meets the Ood at the start of The End of Time, he traveled around a bit didn't he? He says something about getting married, though not to Song. Maybe he got married twice.
:lol

Yeah that's what I thought - unfortuantly Tennant's delivery is so rapid it makes it seem like he married Good Queen (not so now though) Bess. But I assume he's referring to two different events.
 

Raydeen

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infiniteloop said:
All Cybermen episodes in New Who are bad, but the first two are particularly awful.

I preferred them at the end of season 2. Probably because they were constantly being blow up by Daleks.
:lol
 

Viewt

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gdt5016 said:
What are they gonna do when they run out of Doctor revivals?

Some kind of major retcon?
The Master was given a new set of regenerations once. I imagine they'll do the same for The Doctor.
 

gdt

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Couldn't the Doctor just have shown up just before everything blew up? Or when that lady picked up the ring that belonged to the Master?

Or at a billion other moments?
 

Raydeen

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gdt5016 said:
Couldn't the Doctor just have shown up just before everything blew up? Or when that lady picked up the ring that belonged to the Master?

Or at a billion other moments?

He explains that in a few moments to Wilf. :lol :lol

But he didn't have to in the original series, because the TARDIS was shown to be a bit faulty and not too precise in it's landings as apparantly it's an ancient model that should have been decommisioned centuries ago.

Oh and worth pointing out too all the Dr Who noobs who have only watched the post 2005 new series, the TARDIS isn't the Doctor's - he stole it to scape Gallifrey.
 

Blader

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So as I said in my last post, my family is getting into Doctor Who, but I want to spare them the bad episodes. I remember the Aliens in London/World War Three two-parter being awful, but I can't remember how relevant it may have been to the overall series. If I have them skip those two episodes, does anyone know if they're going to miss anything important?
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
Blader5489 said:
So as I said in my last post, my family is getting into Doctor Who, but I want to spare them the bad episodes. I remember the Aliens in London/World War Three two-parter being awful, but I can't remember how relevant it may have been to the overall series. If I have them skip those two episodes, does anyone know if they're going to miss anything important?

You'd have to skip Boom Town too, which contains some foreshadowing for the series finale.

So, skip away.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Blader5489 said:
So as I said in my last post, my family is getting into Doctor Who, but I want to spare them the bad episodes. I remember the Aliens in London/World War Three two-parter being awful, but I can't remember how relevant it may have been to the overall series. If I have them skip those two episodes, does anyone know if they're going to miss anything important?

You'll miss the introduction of Harriet Jones, who is incidentally one of the few redeeming qualities of those episodes.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
RTD addresses some of his criticisms in the new book:

SFX said:
nd there’s also a very interesting entry where Davies discusses the way he writes Doctor Who, which answers a recurring criticism. Discussing rewatching a repeat of “The Sound Of Drums”, he ponders the fact that you suddenly learn about things like the Archangel network, the Valiant, and the TARDIS becoming a Paradox Machine out of nowhere, with no advance seeding or foreshadowing in the script. It’s a fascinating passage, worth quoting at length:

“I can see how annoying that looks. I can see how maddening it must be, for some people. Especially if you’re imposing really classical script structures and templates on that episode, even unconsciously. I must look like a vandal, a kid or an amateur… The simple fact is, all those things were planned. All of them were my choice. They’re not lazy, clumsy or desperate. They’re chosen. I can see more traditional ways of telling those stories, but I’m not interested. I think the stuff that you gain from writing in this way – the shock, the whirlwind, the freedom, the exhilaration – is worth the world. I’ve got this sort of tumbling, freewheeling style that somersaults along, with everything happening now - not later, not before, but now, now, now. I’ve made a Doctor Who that exists in the present tense. It’s happening now, right in front of your eyes! If you don’t like it, if you don’t join in with it then… blimey, these episodes must be nonsensical. But those classical structures can be seen in Primeval, in Demons, in Merlin, in all of them – and yet we stand with millions more viewers. And I think that’s partly why.”
 

Blader

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Kind of hard to buy that reasoning when RTD does seed so many plot elements ahead of time (Bad Wolf, Saxon, etc).
 

Blader

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Regulus Tera said:
You'd have to skip Boom Town too, which contains some foreshadowing for the series finale.

So, skip away.

Oh, I forgot about that. That was with the woman Slitheen (sp?) who survived right?

Was that episode important at all? If not, I may just have them skip that too.
 
Aliens of London surprised me in that it's a highly rewatchable two-parter, and still enjoyable...

I look forward to my copy of Writer's Tale arriving, but the more I read it's gonna be more of a read going "WHAT? NO!" at how decisions were made. :p
 

Raydeen

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What a load of bollocks. The reason his scripts are so over the place is he leaves it right until the last moment before he relucantly has to actually start typing - as is stated over and over again in the book. He linterally writes on the cuff - which is why his scripts fall over themselves so much and nothing makes sense.
 
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