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OFFICIAL ELECTION THREAD MEANS ALL ELECTION-RELATED STUFF GOES IN HERE, DUR
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Do The Mario
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Still you dont have to vote if you dont want to you just get your name crossed off the register and tell them you dont want to vote.
Zaptruder said:
It’s easy to see where this apathy comes from; say if I vote for Candidate A and a million other people vote for Candidate B, exactly what difference have I made? In this context, voting contrary to that of the general public regardless of whether or not they’re right or wrong is totally futile. Another reason for apathy is to consider the fact that the voting power of the most intelligent and educated intellectual is equal to that of the most easily manipulated and downright dumb redneck. And yet another reason is that the general public is so easily swayed by the corporate media, general public sentiment and downright blatant government propaganda that the whole 'democratic' system itself is far too easily corruptible and manipulated.
At the heart of the matter though, is not the one person one vote principle, the problem is the environment the democratic process takes place in itself, it is so terribly flawed that it tends toward corruption, manipulation and what has been referred to as tyranny of the majority. It also tends toward this general apathy from those who ask what the point of the exercise even is, that those in positions of power and influence can simply manipulate their way into positions of government based largely on the use of fear driven rhetoric and mindless propaganda with typically little grounding in reality; and to vote against such is to be a drop of rationality an ocean of brain-dead idiocy.
Alcibiades
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ourumov said:
this post makes a lot of sense...
especially the anti-Jew feelings that have being boiling underneath in France and Germany, it's amazing...
Bush is not going to be the end of the world and neither would John Kerry have been...
Problem w/ Kerry is they played on the "anybody but bush" ticket for too long. They needed to convert Bush people who were leaning on the fence.
In fact, I think stuff like Moveon.org and Fahrenheit 911 made things WORSE for Kerry. Things like that got many semi-Bush-people to rally back around Bush -- people who otherwise would have had an open mind about Kerry.
Bush is winning by a landslide by the popular vote, and it shows the disconnect Kerry had with semi-right-wing voters.
In fact, I think stuff like Moveon.org and Fahrenheit 911 made things WORSE for Kerry. Things like that got many semi-Bush-people to rally back around Bush -- people who otherwise would have had an open mind about Kerry.
Bush is winning by a landslide by the popular vote, and it shows the disconnect Kerry had with semi-right-wing voters.
soundwave05
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DJ_Tet said:
Why is that harsh? If there's military action in the future against Iran for example, this could happen. If it does, I don't think young people should then turn around and complain if they didn't bother to vote.
Just a hypothetical situation.
videogamer
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Tenguman said:
How did moveon.org and F911 hurt Kerry? There was plenty of negative stuff on the other side. Not only that, moveon.org was a wonderful grassroots organization.
Do The Mario
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snapty00 said:
I will Stress that you dont have to vote, however you have to go to a polling station on Election Day and get your name crossed off. Just think about how much money that could be saved and placed into health care, infrastructure rather then spend money pork barreling people to get them to vote.
Just think of what the money spent on the war on terror could have done of the US health system.
That's how I was. I wasn't anti-Bush, but I was definitely undecided. But that movie especially...I thought the agenda in that was so disgusting and strong that I couldn't even see myself being associated with Democrats after that. That's how much that movie swayed my opinion in the opposite direction of what it was intended.Tenguman said:
The Ohio spread just got bigger
~145,000 spread in favor of bush; up 1,000
they say there about 170,000 provisional ballots, and on average 90% of those are elligible for counting.
so ~150,000 provisional ballots, John Kerry will have to win almost all of them
Though not counting the absentee ballots, which are mostly military
~145,000 spread in favor of bush; up 1,000
they say there about 170,000 provisional ballots, and on average 90% of those are elligible for counting.
so ~150,000 provisional ballots, John Kerry will have to win almost all of them
Though not counting the absentee ballots, which are mostly military
Alcibiades
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BruceWayne said:So many gloomy faces and voices to be heard tomorrow conceding defeat(if they have any balls):
- Kerry
- Edwards
- Michael Moore
- John Stewart
- Dan Rather
- Peter Jennings
- Howard Stern
Feel free to add to the list.
-Terry McAuliffe
-Al Franken
-Bruce Springsteen
-Hillary Clinton, oh wait...
scroll down a bit and you'll find some predictions here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/commentary.html
soundwave05
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Life is harsh though, I think kids these days are babied way too much into their teens and even 20s.
Do The Mario
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xabre said:
About as undemocratic as invading another country then forcing democracy on them?
Did people even read my post were I discuss how you can exercise your right not to vote?
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snapty00 said:
HUH? I don't ever remember reading anything about Socialism forcing people to vote.
I'm going to make it clear that I might be talking out of my ass here, but I've heard rumors that some people who used the electronic voting systems in Ohio ran into problems. Someone told me that two of his relatives in Ohio that voted Kerry ended up with reciepts that said they voted for Bush. Of course if this was really widespread (or even true), it would probably be on the news by now, so I'm pretty skeptical, but I thought I'd share it with you guys anyway. Has anyone else heard anything like this?
videogamer
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Tenguman said:
Ann Coulter resonates with a smaller group of Democrats? And the Republicans can't tell the difference between moveon.org and Michael Moore? Hmm...
Do The Mario
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How is it socialist?
I about to pull out some political texts to check this out
Yes, it is true that the actual number of young voters is higher, but at the same time, the numbers are up for all the other groups too, and the youth vote didn't keep up or gain on the pace of other age groups. They were still an insignificant minority, as they always are.gblues said:
Joe Scarborough was on MSNBC earlier and he was saying how he was one of the only ones saying before the election that the youth vote wouldn't be a factor, and he pointed out that every year you hear "this is the year America's youth comes out to vote" and it just never happens. We're so reliably unreliable it's disgusting.
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Do The Mario said:
I think it's more American misunderstanding of Socialism. The word "Socialist" sounds fine in many different parts of the world, but when it comes to America, it suddenly becomes some bad word.
Woah, what happened in New Mexico?
It was a 28,000 lead for Bush and now it's down to 6,000?
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/NM/P/00/index.html
I guess it doesn't matter without Nevada though.
It was a 28,000 lead for Bush and now it's down to 6,000?
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/NM/P/00/index.html
I guess it doesn't matter without Nevada though.
Oh come on. I made it clear that I wasn't buying it unless I heard confirmation from other people. I only posted that to see if anyone had heard anything similar. No harm in trying to stay informed.Meier said:
Edit: Oh yeah, nice selective quoting, ass.
For anyone who just read Meier's post, here is the full message I posted:
Jak140 said:
Do The Mario said:
I'm sorry, how is that not democratic? Not nice, maybe? But not democratic? Last I checked they aren't part of our nation, so how do they get a vote in our democracy?
Seriously, I'm not saying I support the actions one way or the other, but this argument is tired, and makes absolutely no sense.
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I meant people apathetic towards the candidates. Not the voting system.
I'm saying, those people seem so sure that either candidate would result in the same outcome. I'm asking them where I can get access to a machine that lets me travel to these alternative universes that let them check up on the differences candidates have made on the country and the world around them, that allows them to be so sure that they have very little difference.
More to the point, while the effects a candidate has may be subtle, it doesn't mean that he hasn't had affect. Indeed... if you don't think G.W.Bush has made much difference in the world in the last 4 years and will most likely to continue to do so (over his opposing candidate) then you need to become more informed.
Yes, Ann Coulter does resonate with a smaller group of Democrats than Michael Moore does with Republicans. If for no other reason than the fact that Moore is more bombastic, in your face, and interjecting himself into pop culture. Coulter, on the other hand, is pretty much little more than a pundit. She has a loud mouth, but she's pretty much confined to political news shows, talk shows, and newspaper column, as opposed to Michael Moore, who runs commercials, makes nationally distributed movies, and appears at the Oscars.eggplant said:
So yes, I would say Ann Coulter does energize a significantly smaller group of Dams than Moore does with Republicans.
There's no forced voting system in australia.
We do have mandatory participation in the electoral process; people are required to turn up or provide a good excuse. But your right to refuse to vote is just as present here as it is in america; you simply drop in a blank ballot in as your vote.
We do have mandatory participation in the electoral process; people are required to turn up or provide a good excuse. But your right to refuse to vote is just as present here as it is in america; you simply drop in a blank ballot in as your vote.
You know, I'm beginning to think Michael Moore isn't just an annoyance for Republicans. To be honest, I don't know many people who DO like him. :\ In my area at least (NC, which is traditionally a swing state), the general consensus among pretty much everyone is that Michael Moore is nothing more than a man with an overly zealous agenda.
Do The Mario
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snapty00 Would you like the money saved on trying to entice people to vote spent on hospitals and schools in your area?
If I was running for President I would take all my parties money to the bookies and bet It on myself then I can shower the people with the cash when I win!
If I was running for President I would take all my parties money to the bookies and bet It on myself then I can shower the people with the cash when I win!
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