OFFICIAL ELECTION THREAD MEANS ALL ELECTION-RELATED STUFF GOES IN HERE, DUR

Status
Not open for further replies.
soepkip said:
This is unbelievable. Americans are so fucking stupid.
Click to expand...

Kiss my stupid ass.
 
MetatronM said:
Yes, Ann Coulter does resonate with a smaller group of Democrats than Michael Moore does with Republicans. If for no other reason than the fact that Moore is more bombastic, in your face, and interjecting himself into pop culture. Coulter, on the other hand, is pretty much little more than a pundit. She has a loud mouth, but she's pretty much confined to political news shows, talk shows, and newspaper column, as opposed to Michael Moore, who runs commercials, makes nationally distributed movies, and appears at the Oscars.

So yes, I would say Ann Coulter does energize a significantly smaller group of Dams than Moore does with Republicans.
Click to expand...

agreed, and the fact that I said Kerry needed to sway the semi-bush people more than bush needed to sway the semi-democrat people
 
Bush has just set a popular vote record besting Reagan, and Daschle has lost his Senate seat...

I'm content, but not overly giddy or explosively happy cause I know there are a lot of problems facing this country...
 
We do have mandatory participation in the electoral process; people are required to turn up or provide a good excuse. But your right to refuse to vote is just as present here as it is in america; you simply drop in a blank ballot in as your vote.
Click to expand...

Zap did you read what the I said, I posted several times if you don’t want to vote just get your name crossed off and refuse the slips they give you or drop in a blank ballot.
 
It's pretty embarrasing that a great nation like the USA can't hold a proper election. OSCE inspectors were even denied access to certain places. So much for the "greatest democracy on earth."
 
Its only for more years, its not exactly that long.

Its sort of ironic to see Americans vote for more of their sons and daughters to be slaughtered in Iraq, not to mension a place like Florida which has more soldiers in Iraq than any other state
 
cybamerc said:
It's pretty embarrasing that a great nation like the USA can't hold a proper election. OSCE inspectors were even denied access to certain places. So much for the "greatest democracy on earth."
Click to expand...


lol, election seemed to go pretty well to me.
 
Do The Mario said:
snapty00 Would you like the money saved on trying to entice people to vote spent on hospitals and schools in your area?
Click to expand...
First of all, that wouldn't happen. The money would just be wasted elsewhere. It's naive to think anything else.

Second, I don't believe much -- if any -- money would be saved. You'd just be slapping a whole bunch of people with $25 fines who didn't know any better. So, you'd end up spending money educating all these people on their right not to vote (which, to them, is gonna sound ass-backwards, anyway).

Third, a lot of money spent would be spent anyway, because it's campaign money. That money was going to be spent whether voting was mandatory or not. Most of the ads that you see trying to get people to vote in general (regardless of candidate) are not government-paid. That's usually private, whether from a candidate or even something like MTV. If you have a beef with their ads, then you need to take it up with them.

Finally, forced voting goes against the nature of the whole system. Voting is a right, not a duty.
 
Zaptruder said:
There's no forced voting system in australia.

We do have mandatory participation in the electoral process; people are required to turn up or provide a good excuse. But your right to refuse to vote is just as present here as it is in america; you simply drop in a blank ballot in as your vote.
Click to expand...

Voting blank isn't the same thing as not voting at all though. I voted blank in the previous election here in Sweden. My vote basically said that I wanted to vote and make a difference, and that I didn't like any of the options made available for me. Had I not voted, my opinion would never have been registered.

However, I can see, with a mandatory participation system, that a blank vote could mean "no vote" if you have no choice.
 
Do The Mario said:
Zap did you read what the I said, I posted several times if you don’t want to vote just get your name crossed off and refuse the slips they give you or drop in a blank ballot.
Click to expand...

No. I didn't skim over that. I just saw alot of people crying: WAH WAH WE HAVE A RIGHT TO NOT VOTE!
 
If anyone still cares, Wisconsin is now Kerry. 254-252. Noone wants to claim Iowa or NM, for Bush, as that would put Bush over 270. So it looks like Iowa and NM will be at 99% till Ohio is final.
 
Kiriku said:
Voting blank isn't the same thing as not voting at all though. I voted blank in the previous election here in Sweden. My vote basically said that I wanted to vote and make a difference, and that I didn't like any of the options made available for me. Had I not voted, my opinion would never have been registered.

However, I can see, with a mandatory participation system, that a blank vote could mean "no vote" if you have no choice.
Click to expand...

Hmmm. in terms of real effects the blank protest vote is just a gimmick for the person to feel better. You can pretend that they'll acknowledge that you didn't like the choices in a mandatory system if that makes you feel better.
 
Kiriku said:
However, I can see, with a mandatory participation system, that a blank vote could mean "no vote" if you have no choice.
Click to expand...
Or, you might have a bunch of people just putting whatever candidate that can get to the fastest, just so they can put something down.
 
I find it funny that Fox and NBC are in quite a pickle as far as reporting states. Nevada looks clearly Bush (going by Yahoo's numbers), but NBC and Fox refuse to call it because it would claim Bush the winner, can't have that yet. And of course, they can't take Ohio back because that's 2000 all over again.
 
All right, I'm tapping out.

Smashing vitory all around for the Republicans, I thought the Dems were in trouble after 200, and this really proved it. They got destroyed in every respect now with firm control and strong majorities in the White House, House, Senate, and surely the Supreme Court by the time 2008 rolls around. And not only that but they defeated the Democrat's Presidential candidate convincingly in the popular vote, AND they ousted the Democratic leader in Congress. That's about as close as you can get to a clean sweep, and I don't think anybody expected such a dominant overall victory across the boards for the Republicans given the polarized nature of the country.

Oh well. Hopefully Bush doesn't do anything too wildly stupid during the next 4 years. :/

Night all.
 
First of all, that wouldn't happen. The money would just be wasted elsewhere. It's naive to think anything else.
Click to expand...

Great to see the system works.

Yes the campaigns are funded by the parties, but the money still could be used in a much more resourceful manner.
 
XMonkey said:
I find it funny that Fox and NBC are in quite a pickle as far as reporting states. Nevada looks clearly Bush (going by Yahoo's numbers), but NBC and Fox refuse to call it because it would claim Bush the winner, can't have that yet. And of course, they can't take Ohio back because that's 2000 all over again.
Click to expand...
Yeah... I'm getting seriously pissed off about this. Don't just sit there at 269 for Bush because it's "good TV"... Nevada is obviously going for Bush. If you want to move Ohio back into the "too close to call" category, go ahead, but for crying out loud, don't fudge on calling states for the sake of drama.
 
Society said:
If anyone still cares, Wisconsin is now Kerry. 254-252. Noone wants to claim Iowa or NM, for Bush, as that would put Bush over 270. So it looks like Iowa and NM will be at 99% till Ohio is final.
Click to expand...
Well, nobody is counting Iowa because they have shut down for the night in Iowa. They had problems with the counting machines, their staff was tired and it was too much for the system, so they quit for the night before they finished the count.

EDIT: I'm really going to bed now. :D
 
Zaptruder said:
Hmmm. in terms of real effects the blank protest vote is just a gimmick for the person to feel better. You can pretend that they'll acknowledge that you didn't like the choices in a mandatory system if that makes you feel better.
Click to expand...

Yeah OK, but in a system where you have a choice, I think a blank vote represents an opinion that you choose to express. If you don't vote, noone will ever know your opinion. Maybe you liked party A, maybe party B, maybe you didn't like any of them? Or maybe you didn't spend enough time to even make a choice? If you choose to vote blank, taking your time to actually vote, I think there's a high possibility you've at least thought about the choices available. After all, actually taking time to vote seems to be a very demanding task for most people when you consider the high % of people not voting. :P
 
I think the government should pay people to vote. Since the money would have to come out of everyone's taxes it would be substantially the same as mandatory voting with fines for those who don't comply, but with a nice positive spin.
 
Society said:
If anyone still cares, Wisconsin is now Kerry. 254-252. Noone wants to claim Iowa or NM, for Bush, as that would put Bush over 270. So it looks like Iowa and NM will be at 99% till Ohio is final.
Click to expand...

Even if Bush got Iowa and NM, he still wouldn't have 270

It comes down to Ohio
 
In the UK the coverage of this election has probably been just as big as it would be for our own elections! My view is not worth much because I'm not American but it seems to me that the Democrat’s went with Kerry because they thought he could bring them the White House without really needing to challenge Bush with Policies and new Ideas. My politics are probably left of centre and that means that Kerry should have been my choice if I were American, problem is I would have found it difficult to vote for him, I just don't think he would have done anything better or differently from Bush. To earn the right to govern he really should have come up with a bold plan to move America forward in unison with countries which are willing to follow.
I've been to America on numerous occasions and have enjoyed myself every time and most Europeans feel the same way, we may not like your politics or some of your go alone policies but its still a great place with mostly very friendly people.

Politicians don't make a country the people do.
 
It's funny seeing Aussie's taking the high ground.
We may not have the 'problem' of the 'redneck religious right' vote but what we did have was a bunch of selfish assholes who put the shape our econmony above the needs of the environment, education, the 'war on terror' (none of our soldiers got killed so it's alright) and true class progress(welfare, saying sorry etc).
The sad fact is that they think that sole factor of our economy is government policy.
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaargh, screw you networks! There's no realistic way that Kerry will take Ohio, so CALL IT. Bush is obviously going to take Nevada; CALL IT. Say what everyone already knows! It's painfully obvious that nobody wants to be the first to call this election for fear of getting egg on their faces, but for crying out loud, that doesn't justify artificially delaying calls just so nobody reaches 270 electoral votes.
 
Fresh Prince said:
It's funny seeing Aussie's taking the high ground.
We may not have the 'problem' of the 'redneck religious right' vote but what we did have was a bunch of selfish assholes who put the shape our econmony above the needs of the environment, education, the 'war on terror' (none of our soldiers got killed so it's alright) and true class progress(welfare, saying sorry etc).
The sad fact is that they think that sole factor of our economy is government policy.
Click to expand...

I’m not saying our government is perfect, it would be virtually impossible for me to agree with every decision our government made.

However some issues from the last election

- The government Introduced Medicare plus a 80% rebate for out of hand medical expenses
- The government has an outstanding economic record, with strong fiscal policies.
- Employment has increased by over 1 million


Hecs as been increased but is now more finically viable.

I don’t agree with the Australian Governments support of the war on terror however unlike the US government our government has performed well on domestic issues.
 
Grr, things looked good for Kerry when I went to bed last night...

What are people's thoughts on the votes in Congress? I'm at work atm so I can't do too much surfing to find out how bad the situation is for the democrats...
 
The issue is that as long as there is an outside chance, the Dems at least can't really concede defeat. Kerry needs roughly two thirds of the uncounted votes in Ohio to win. The chances of that happening are slim, but it's enough for them to insist on a final result before declaring it over. As for the networks..they may have a policy about probabilities etc. and perhaps this one is just within their realm of possibility to keep it "open".
 
On a mildly serious note, let's assume that Kerry wins Ohio, and scrapes a victory, but loses the popular vote. What does this mean for his legitimacy as president?
 
iapetus said:
On a mildly serious note, let's assume that Kerry wins Ohio, and scrapes a victory, but loses the popular vote. What does this mean for his legitimacy as president?
Click to expand...
Democrats will be accused of massive hypocrisy, thats for sure....
 
www.nov3.us

I don't believe Bush won. How? How? values? We have a staggering economy, a guy who hates us, a stupid ass war and we're voting on stem cell research? I honestly don't believe the American people are THAT stupid.

Bush cheated. I have no specific data on how but they cheated. Diebold, challenges, registration...a combination of all of them...they have cheated. No way has this MORON gotten the most votes ever on VALUES! I don't believe it.
 
iapetus said:
On a mildly serious note, let's assume that Kerry wins Ohio, and scrapes a victory, but loses the popular vote. What does this mean for his legitimacy as president?
Click to expand...
Dispite being in a similar situation in 2000, Bush's approval rating were close to 88% in his first month, 77% approval among dems.
 
Pug said:
Politicians don't make a country the people do.
Click to expand...

Exactly. Unfortunately, we, as Americans, have little *real* choice in who we get to vote for...thanks to ridiculously constrictive partisan politics...lesser of the two evils sort of thing, IMO. I vote on issues and not by party-affiliation, but it's difficult to do so if the candidates available are generally never to my liking. The problem with being a republic, as we are, is that we are almost too detached from the so-called leaders that we put in office to govern things...our government needs some long-overdue fine-tuning. Ack...tired of watching the fucking election...I probably don't make much sense, but it always seems fucked-up somehow to me.
 
Do The Mario said:
I’m not saying our government is perfect, it would be virtually impossible for me to agree with every decision our government made.

However some issues from the last election

- The government Introduced Medicare plus a 80% rebate for out of hand medical expenses
- The government has an outstanding economic record, with strong fiscal policies.
- Employment has increased by over 1 million


Hecs as been increased but is now more finically viable.

I don’t agree with the Australian Governments support of the war on terror however unlike the US government our government has performed well on domestic issues.
Click to expand...
All very well and good however:
- The States and Federal Governemt continue to bicker over Hospital Funding-still. The private healthcare rebate seems to be getting worse not better.
- Economically the distinction differiating Labour and Liberal would not be that 'adverse' to Australia's econmy.
- We got ass raped by America in the FTA
- More than 1/2 of 'new' Employment created in the last 16 years is casual.
- The Government talks about the 'baby bonus' etc, but $3000 does not make ammends for the third largest hours of unpaid overtime of any country in the world, lack of job security etc.
- Some of the rhethoric concerning Tertiary Education is worrying. Apparently the Coalition wants to re-shape wages for Lecturers (not so bad) but want to dictate to Universities what to specialise in.
 
iapetus said:
On a mildly serious note, let's assume that Kerry wins Ohio, and scrapes a victory, but loses the popular vote. What does this mean for his legitimacy as president?
Click to expand...

Nothing... I seriously don't even know why the popular vote is even tracked anymore. It doesn't mean shit, thanks to the fucked-up, outmoded electoral college system.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

  • Locked
Canada's election results are in
8
405
Jaybe replied
  • Locked
Getting ads for a far-right party before the election in Germany
17
1K
EviLore replied
  • Locked
Happy Election Day, fellow Americans!
2
2K
EviLore replied
White smoke emerges as a new pope is elected
2 3
132
2K
GateofD replied
No CGI realy means Invisible CGI.
29
2K
jason10mm replied
Top Bottom