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[MIMIC]

I know! You'll get a cool new outfit, to see the world, to shoot strange people in foreign lands! And they shoot back! If that's not exciting, I don't know what is!

I'd laugh, but that applies to me, too.

 

[enjoy bell woods]

As a church-going Christian, I definitely agree that Christians need to be much more accepting of certain cultural and societal changes... remember when rock and roll was the devil?

However, I don't think they're wrong to hold fast to the belief that marriage is between only one man and one woman. Hell, that's a belief that most non-religious people have. I don't understand how you all can get so bent out of shape that this kind of stuff isn't changing instantly.

If being against gay marriage makes you a bigot, then the majority of this country is 'bigoted'.

The majority of this country is bigoted in more than one way. Don't act like that's a bold claim.

 

[Doc Holliday]

LoL i love how these guys say to let it go...yet they are still fuming over the fact that clinton was president.

 

[AssMan]

Jesus. There was about to be a fight at the gym I go to, Gold's Gym this morning because of the elections. lol



So one person has been banned already in here?

 

[B-B-Bomba!]

xsarien:
For what? (I mean, you're welcome, but I'd like to know what I'm welcoming you for. )

lol, you were the only person who replied to my question on page fifty- no, sixty- ... (ah fuck it ^_^ ). This thread is a clusterfuck. Gotta love an election year

 

[Do The Mario]

"Worst Post Ever

WTF are you smoking,

I study international politics

And undermining the UN is sure is hell not the right thing to do."

Obviously you're a failure as a student.


"Take Dubya's cock out of your mouth and pop one of these."

Stating the obvious about the liberal reaction to these results does not warrant the childish images and posts.

Meh distinction/credit average when I just cram my units in a few days is not a dam failure.

 

[Doc Holliday]

It just shows you that the country hasnt changed much since the civil war. People in the south are still dumb as ever.

PS mods dont lock teh thread let us vent for a few more hours at least. It will go back to normal

 

[ge-man]

As a church-going Christian, I definitely agree that Christians need to be much more accepting of certain cultural and societal changes... remember when rock and roll was the devil?

However, I don't think they're wrong to hold fast to the belief that marriage is between only one man and one woman. Hell, that's a belief that most non-religious people have. I don't understand how you all can get so bent out of shape that this kind of stuff isn't changing instantly.

If being against gay marriage makes you a bigot, then the majority of this country is 'bigoted'.

Poor argument. Have we all forgotten the run up to WWII? Facisim was a world wide movement. It's possible for COUNTRIES to do the wrong thing.

 

[Zilch]

The majority of this country is bigoted in more than one way. Don't act like that's a bold claim.

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you how much I hate blacks and women.

You people...

 

[Willco]

How do you explain many other first world countries having economic booms during this time?

For example

Despite the formation of the EU cutting ties with many of our trading partners
The Asian Crisis
The rising cost of Oil
And Dot com crash the Australian Economy is a strong as ever?

How did that happen??

Because we live in America and they don't. Our economy is dependent on entirely different factors than those over in Europe and abraod. It's true that in a way, there are a global factors that we're on dependent on, but America's economic system is a different monster.

Regardless of how you want to think about it, there's no debating that this recession started with Clinton. It's not like Bush inherited a super healthy economy. It's just another political tactic to get you to vote for one party or another, as both parties are guilty of blaming economic problems on a President, despite the fact that the problems probably occured before a certain party took office.

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you how much I hate blacks and women.

You people...

I agree. Shit like that boggles the mind.

 

[Guns N' Poops]

What have you done, USA

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'm not saying bush is hitler...but i remember as a kid wondering wtf were teh germans thnking when they let hitler rise to power. How stupid could you be?. Well i have my answer.. fear, bigotry, and blind nationalism...much scarier in person.

 

[xexex]

Arnold vs Hilary 08 :lol

 

[enjoy bell woods]

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you how much I hate blacks and women.

You people...

I never said you were a bigot. Don't start victimizing yourself. If you think the majority of this country supports things such as interracial relationships, you're fooling yourself.

 

[ManaByte]

Arnold vs Hilary 08 :lol

If Arnold runs, Hilary doesn't stand a chance.

 

[xsarien]

As a church-going Christian, I definitely agree that Christians need to be much more accepting of certain cultural and societal changes... remember when rock and roll was the devil?

To some it still is, remember Marilyn Manson?

However, I don't think they're wrong to hold fast to the belief that marriage is between only one man and one woman. Hell, that's a belief that most non-religious people have. I don't understand how you all can get so bent out of shape that this kind of stuff isn't changing instantly.

If being against gay marriage makes you a bigot, then the majority of this country is 'bigoted'.

That's entirely possible. Remember when the majority of this country thought black people shouldn't marry white people? Bigotry doesn't stop at religious or ethnic boundaries. Which says nothing to the fact that writing such an obviously religious-based "law" into the books says that the line between church and state has been smudged to near illegibility. Here's an idea: Keep your religion out of my life. My doing something that goes against your Christian sensibilities does nothing to impede your faith, whereas hard liner Christians imposing their beliefs on everyone affects everyone.

 

[Do The Mario]

Because we live in America and they don't. Our economy is dependent on entirely different factors than those over in Europe and abraod. It's true that in a way, there are a global factors that we're on dependent on, but America's economic system is a different monster.

Regardless of how you want to think about it, there's no debating that this recession started with Clinton. It's not like Bush inherited a super healthy economy. It's just another political tactic to get you to vote for one party or another, as both parties are guilty of blaming economic problems on a President, despite the fact that the problems probably occured before a certain party took office.



I agree. Shit like that boggles the mind.

It has nothing to do with the fact that other countries have strong fiscal polices that have enabled growth despite the world economic slump?

What Fiscal policy has Bush implemented over the last 4 years to stimulate the American economy?

 

[Willco]

I never said you were a bigot. Don't start victimizing yourself. If you think the majority of this country supports things such as interracial relationships, you're fooling yourself.

If you were to ask every single person in the United States of America that question, I think you'd be wrong. Are there bigots? Yes. Is there racism? Yes. But your commentary is absurd at best and it's the kind of comments that continue to polarize the nation.

 

[DarkAngyl]

But the Bible says that marriage is between one man and one woman. How in the world can you be a Christian and justify gay marriage?

Christians DO NOT hate homosexuals. Don't think that people with "God Hates Fags" picket signs are the majority of Christians. But if what they (gays) want goes against what Christians believe, what should we do? It's like today you can't be against any cause without being called a 'bigot'. Pretty pathetic.

The Bible also says judge not lest ye be judged yourself. I don't see how allowing gays the rights that every other American has is in any way in accordance with what the Bible teaches. We don't have the right to enforce our will on them because they live their lives a different way. A civil union isn't going to do any damage to the institution of marriage, and a damn site less harm than a lot of Christians who cheat on their wives/husbands or believe that you gotta smack the old lady around to keep her in line do. Intolerance is intolerance no matter how you wrap it up.

Hell the Bible also says you should not allow a witch to live. Are we going back to witch burnings too? The Bible, for all the good that is in it, is still a document that was translated by men, men with an agenda. There are some wonderful things in it, there are some not so wonderful things in it. Sometimes they are diametrically opposed. You know, for a while there the whole WWJD bracelets were popular. What would Jesus do? Do you think he would deny people rights because of their sexuality? He would try and bring them into the fold with love, not an iron fist.


I'm also not saying all Christians hate gays. Like I said, I am a Christian. You don't think I am, but then again I don't believe that determination is up to you. It's up to me, and to God. I've accepted Jesus years ago. I also am able to think for myself and to realize that not everyone that gets behind a pulpit is preaching direct from God.

 

[enjoy bell woods]

If you were to ask every single person in the United States of America that question, I think you'd be wrong. Are there bigots? Yes. Is there racism? Yes. But your commentary is absurd at best and it's the kind of comments that continue to polarize the nation.

Well, okay, you enjoy walking through the South as a white man with a black girlfriend.

 

[IJoel]

To some it still is, remember Marilyn Manson?



That's entirely possible. Remember when the majority of this country thought black people shouldn't marry white people? Bigotry doesn't stop at religious or ethnic boundaries. Which says nothing to the fact that writing such an obviously religious-based "law" into the books says that the line between church and state has been smudged to near illegibility. Here's an idea: Keep your religion out of my life. My doing something that goes against your Christian sensibilities does nothing to impede your faith, whereas hard liner Christians imposing their beliefs on everyone affects everyone.

Don't bother. I mean, really. It's beyond salvation.

Kerry lost because a significant portion of americans are bigots that can't accept homosexuality as a way of life for others. It's simple as that. No matter how much one reasons with them, they resort to the same thing to hide their bigotry.

 

[Willco]

It has nothing to do with the fact that other countries have strong fiscal polices that have enabled growth despite the world economic slump?

I never said that. Political policies and national infrastructure are one of those variables that make foriegn countries different than our own, as I've already stated.

What Fiscal policy has Bush implemented over the last 4 years to stimulate the American economy?

This is where I will agree with you. Bush has stayed the party course of roughing out the recession with a war mentality and tax cuts, and things have begun to turn around. I disagree with this method and it's one of the reasons why I did not vote for him.

Regardless of that, you're still skirting around the fact that the economic slide started before he took office and he's certainly not responsible for it.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Wow...

I've gotta say, reading the 60+ pages of this thread was an astonishing, headache-inducing experience. Emotions put on display here ran from unbridled enthusiasm and premature optimism, to spiteful bitterness and partisan divisiveness, hitting every conceivable stop along the way. All in the span of a single day.

Please, PLEASE tell me that this thread's going into the archive for posterity.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Holy shit.... :/ It's attitudes like this that give conservatives and Christians a bad name.

You know, it was the gay marriage amendment that got me out to vote. To vote against it. Granted I live in Georgia so it was all but useless, but I tried. And yes I am a Republican/Christian. So we aren't all evil. To the Christians that do think that this amendment is a good thing....I just don't know what to say. I don't think God would want any of his children considered less than citizens...less than human, no matter how much he disagrees with the way they live their lives. I'm not convinced that he's all that upset about gays to begin with. The Old Testament condemns and oks a lot of things that are flipped today. You can't pick and choose. If you are gonna go with one rule, go with them all.

Christianity should be about love and tolerance, not alienation. Bigotry should have no place in our religion.

There's hope. Thanks for the post.

 

[Do The Mario]

I never said that. Political policies and national infrastructure are one of those variables that make foriegn countries different than our own, as I've already stated.



This is where I will agree with you. Bush has stayed the party course of roughing out the recession with a war mentality and tax cuts, and things have begun to turn around. I disagree with this method and it's one of the reasons why I did not vote for him.

Regardless of that, you're still skirting around the fact that the economic slide started before he took office and he's certainly not responsible for it.

Thanks for a great response, but I don’t think it has anything to do with when the problem started.

The fact is the cabinet should be able to remedy it in some form via fiscal policy; the bottom line is the Bush government did stuff all to fix the economy.

By your logic no one has to try to fix the economy because it was broken before we got elected?

 

[Prince of Space]

I KNEW I could count on this forum for a liberal meltdown, and you didn't disappoint. Thanks for the laughs, GAF!

















And I voted Kerry BTW.

 

[Willco]

Well, okay, you enjoy walking through the South as a white man with a black girlfriend.

I've walked in the South with a black girlfriend. My family is black.

I'm well aware of where racism lies, but say that it's 100% there in all the South is just goddamn silly. We're all aware of deep Southern states and cities that just fuel racism, but they don't dictate my future, the future of the country and certainly don't represent everybody.

People on this forum continue to go overboard.

Kerry is not some windsurfing pussy that wants to legalize abortions for gay marriages and Bush is not some evil monkey that will invade a country on some whim.

Top political prospects? I think not, but they're the ones we were stuck with and Bush won. One man alone is not responsible for everything the county has done or will do, and if you hate his policies so much, everyone has a chance to deter his party plan in a couple of years.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Kerry is not some windsurfing pussy that wants to legalize abortions for gay marriages and Bush is not some evil monkey that will invade a country on some whim.

Im not sure those arent true on both accounts hehehe

 

[Do The Mario]

Wow...

I've gotta say, reading the 60+ pages of this thread was an astonishing, headache-inducing experience. Emotions put on display here ran from unbridled enthusiasm and premature optimism, to spiteful bitterness and partisan divisiveness, hitting every conceivable stop along the way. All in the span of a single day.

Please, PLEASE tell me that this thread's going into the archive for posterity.

Please don’t

When get into politics in Australia I don’t want my GA post history to become part to a smear campaign!

 

[Baron Aloha]

Arnold vs Hilary 08 :lol

Neither one of them would win the primaries IMO.

Arnold won't win because he doesn't go along with the evangelical christians (a large portion of the republican base). Many of his stances on issues are liberal. He's also supposedly a womanizer....and we all remember how republicans felt about Clinton. Choosing Arnold would weaken republicans on the morality issue.

Hilary won't win because the dems are smart enough (I hope) to realize that the republicans would demonize her to no end and that she would only energize the republicans. They (republicans) will do anything to prevent another Clinton from entering the White House.

My hunch for the '08 matchup:

Jeb Bush for president and either John McCain or Rudy G for vice president.

VS.

Barack Obama or Howard Dean for president and either Barack Obama or an unknown for vice president.

Barack Obama = the future of the democratic party IMO.

 

[Incognito]

I didn't want to wake up today.

 

[teepo]

hahahaha this is great

i can't wait to go to d.c and hear what all the liberal indie kids will be chanting next.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

If being against gay marriage makes you a bigot, then the majority of this country is 'bigoted'.

Yes, they are. Whether or not something is bigotry is not determined by a majority vote-- it's a matter of fundamental truth.

 

[Incognito]

I highly doubt Barack will be running in 2008. If you think the attacks on John Edwards service record were bad, just wait until the republican machine gets a hold of a 3-4 year junior term senator from "LIBERAL" Illinois. I say give him more time...

 

[Willco]

Thanks for a great response, but I don’t think it has anything to do with when the problem started.

You can't clean up a mess if you don't know what caused it.

The fact is the cabinet should be able to remedy it in some form via fiscal policy; the bottom line is the Bush government did stuff all to fix the economy.

Bush's administration is fixing the economy and it is turning around. There is definitive evidence that says they're going to turn it around completely.

My disagreement is that they're doing the Republican way, which leaves us the bill a few years down the line and a bigger mess than we started with. Our deficit is ridiculous, but the Reagan neo-conservative policy thrives on the deficit and war production to fuel the economy and balance inflation. The problem is that eventually, inflation becomes too high and this is a Cold War mentality that just isn't practical in today's day and age.

Bush can fix us, but he could also break us.

By your logic no one has to try to fix the economy because it was broken before we got elected?

No, and that's why Bush didn't get my vote. But he's not responsible for what happened to the economy. Liberals sound like a broken record telling us how great the Clinton years were and how Bush has ruined them. That's so inaccurate.

 

[Baron Aloha]

I highly doubt Barack will be running in 2008. If you think the attacks on John Edwards service record were bad, just wait until the republican machine gets a hold of a 3-4 year junior term senator from "LIBERAL" Illinois. I say give him more time...

I think that if he votes towards the middle over the next few years they won't be able to make much of an issue about his being liberal (at least not as much as Kerry).

I honestly don't think the democratic party can afford to wait until after Obama's 2nd or 3rd term. Besides, the more votes he casts the more ammunition they will have to go after him with.

 

[Xenon]

What the hell good can Bush do for us?

stay the course! ha

I think he provides stable leadership, something I could not see in Kerry. I also agree with his position on fighting terror. I like the fact that he is trying to curb medical lawsuits. His health care plan is actually feasible. And most importantly.... he doesn't try blow smoke up my ass!

Kerry is a fucking joke. I'm sure the world would love for us to have a lame duck president. I don't. The world needs to get it's own act together before it starts to criticize. This goes double for the middle-east. People are blasting Americans for voting with their faith. AT LEAST WE FUCKING TRY TO SPERATE CHURCH AND STATE!!!! THOSE FUCKTARDS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING OVER SOME WORTHLESS LAND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS..... ALL IN THE NAME OF THEIR FUCKING GOD! WTF!!! HANDING KIDS BOMBS... YEAH THE US IS THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO REASSESS ITS PRIORITIES, WHAT FUCKING EVER!!!!!

 

[DarienA]

It's been a fun thread. I can only hope that Bush improves in this second term a number of things IMO he failed to do in his first term.

Nowhere to go but up right..... <looks around> right? <looks around> come on.....

 

[DarkAngyl]

If being against gay marriage makes you a bigot, then the majority of this country is 'bigoted'.

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about what bigotry is. Bigotry does not equal racisim. Sure at times they do go hand in hand, but they are not the same thing.

From dictionary.com:Big"ot*ry\, n. [Cf. F. bigoterie.] 1. The state of mind of a bigot; obstinate and unreasoning attachment of one's own belief and opinions, with narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.

2. The practice or tenets of a bigot.

 

[OmniGamer]

The Bible also says judge not lest ye be judged yourself. I don't see how allowing gays the rights that every other American has is in any way in accordance with what the Bible teaches. We don't have the right to enforce our will on them because they live their lives a different way. A civil union isn't going to do any damage to the institution of marriage, and a damn site less harm than a lot of Christians who cheat on their wives/husbands or believe that you gotta smack the old lady around to keep her in line do. Intolerance is intolerance no matter how you wrap it up.

Hell the Bible also says you should not allow a witch to live. Are we going back to witch burnings too? The Bible, for all the good that is in it, is still a document that was translated by men, men with an agenda. There are some wonderful things in it, there are some not so wonderful things in it. Sometimes they are diametrically opposed. You know, for a while there the whole WWJD bracelets were popular. What would Jesus do? Do you think he would deny people rights because of their sexuality? He would try and bring them into the fold with love, not an iron fist.


I'm also not saying all Christians hate gays. Like I said, I am a Christian. You don't think I am, but then again I don't believe that determination is up to you. It's up to me, and to God. I've accepted Jesus years ago. I also am able to think for myself and to realize that not everyone that gets behind a pulpit is preaching direct from God.

Great post...Bible-thumpers? 2 mins.

 

[chimpychi]

I didn't want to wake up today.

I got up this morning hoping some Christmas miracle occured...instead I just realized it's over and I couldn't be more disappointed...this is just going to be a sad day...

 

[ge-man]

I highly doubt Barack will be running in 2008. If you think the attacks on John Edwards service record were bad, just wait until the republican machine gets a hold of a 3-4 year junior term senator from "LIBERAL" Illinois. I say give him more time...

In any case, they should be looking to him and others like him to fill in the leadership roles. There needs to be a shakeup in the guard--they can't keeping sending Kerrys and Gores out there and expect to compete with the Republican machine.

 

[GG-Duo]

Please try to seperate the Gay Marriage Ban issue with the Bush re-election issue.

The failure to do was probably what got us here in the first place.

You can be opposed to Gay Marriage, yet vote against George Bush.

Yes, Christians, you can do that too, y'know

 

[Mermandala]

2008 better be Oprah time! this is not a joke post.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Please try to seperate the Gay Marriage Ban issue with the Bush re-election issue.

The failure to do was probably what got us here in the first place.

You can be opposed to Gay Marriage, yet vote against George Bush.

Yes, Christians, you can do that too, y'know

And many people did, which is probuably one reason why the election was somewhat close

 

[chimpychi]

Please try to seperate the Gay Marriage Ban issue with the Bush re-election issue.

The failure to do was probably what got us here in the first place.

You can be opposed to Gay Marriage, yet vote against George Bush.

Yes, Christians, you can do that too, y'know

unfortunately it was pounded into their heads that a vote for Bush is a ban on gay marriage...and vote for Kerry was an open door to men marrying men, men marrying dogs, and men fucking machines...

 

[DarienA]

That saddest part of all of this? The Redskins lost for nothing... and now Bush can triumphantly proclaim that he broke the urban legend.

 

[GG-Duo]

And many people did, which is probuably one reason why the election was somewhat close

Right. But it irks me when I see it on these boards or from Michael Moore.

It's like... "dude, they would listen to you a whole lot better if you didn't mix all those issues up in your debate"

I mean, honestly, the focus should have been War and Economy. Those are issues that most people can agree with, except neo-cons.

 

[belgurdo]

2008 better be Oprah time! this is not a joke post.

There will be no more elections in the Bush Empire

The people have decreed it so

 

[OmniGamer]

That saddest part of all of this? The Redskins lost for nothing... and now Bush can triumphantly proclaim that he broke the urban legend.

Yeah, and those kids from Nickleodeon too