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OFFICIAL ELECTION THREAD MEANS ALL ELECTION-RELATED STUFF GOES IN HERE, DUR
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Hollywood said:
There are legal benefits that go with marriage (adoption, patners rights etc).
Edit: already said by eggplant
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I think this thread needs another DUR. Here's two more: DUR DUR!
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Hollywood said:
Your emotions are in the right place, but your hate of Nintendo has fucked with the facts.
Marriage is not just about a piece of paper, if it was, there would be no issue.
This election is probably based on parties less than any other in history.
ElyrionX said:
Oh well I'm sorry you live in Singapore and care more than me. It's not being selfish or cocky, its just I don't give a damn who runs this country anymore, because the fucking two party system is ridiculous.
Dude I just wanna go about my fucking business without hearing a bunch of idiots try to preach to me about how so and so matters when it really doesnt. Wow, the main issues in this country is on wording of marriage in the constitution when we have crazy ass shit flying in our skies we just ignore, chem trails everywhere shooting our of military craft, and an election where both candidates come from the same secret society. Damn .. sorry if I don't find the stupid shit put in on the news so damn significant.
Except the electoral vote would be the thing in question with the challenge being that the opposition didn't win the electoral vote at all.snapty00 said:
Like I said, I don't think Kerry is going to win, and I don't think this is going to go any longer than tomorrow really.
You do understand that marriage has HUGE legal importance on a person's life, right? You know, stuff like insurance costs, tax codes, and so on and so forth.
It's not like gay people just want to wear a ring or something. There are HUGE legal implications that come with being married or not for the individual.
RiZ III said:
That's my goal, personally, as a Republican. What is wrong with you?
Even your candidate said that the world was better off without Saddam? No matter the reasons we went in, both agreed that stabilization needed to occur before we withdraw. You can't change the past dude, and NO ONE wants to "kill another 400 thousand in the next four years." Talk about generalizations.
kitchenmotors
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It sucks being a young gay person right now, as these next 4 years can really shape our future, for better or worse.
BruceWayne
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Amazing!
With new mexicao count reporting at 103%(don't ask me how but that's how yahoo is reporting), none of the network is giving to Bush b/c none of them wants to give it to Bush b/c that'd give him the 270+ EV.
With new mexicao count reporting at 103%(don't ask me how but that's how yahoo is reporting), none of the network is giving to Bush b/c none of them wants to give it to Bush b/c that'd give him the 270+ EV.
You do realize that barring an overturn of the first amendment, there is no possible way to "protect the sanctity of marriage" from gays right? They can have a religious marriage today, in any state. These latest votes have absolutely nothing to do with the sanctity of marriage, they concern civil marriage.
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Hollywood is the token jock vote 
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Hollywood said:
You should at least work on being better informed.
snapty00 said:
thats the way it should be done everywhere, when a state is 51/49 its absurd to give it to one candidate. i was under the impression that electors were encouraged to vote with the popular vote but didnt have to. i'm sure it probably differs from state to state
Yeah. I asked a little while ago why no one gave it to him when it was at 96 or 99% and Bush had a 5 point lead. That has to be the only reason why. None of the networks that called Ohio want to take that back, but none of them want to declare Bush the winner of the Presidency either since the election is still obviously in dispute.BruceWayne said:
What a catch-22 Fox and NBC have worked themselves into. After all that talk about how great they were going to do with calling states and how they weren't going to screw it up, they find themselves in a position where they have to either declare victory "prematurely" or just stopping announcing states that fall into the Bush camp. How droll.
Matlock said:
Every time you bring up this bullshit about gays being deported blah blah, you just look like an idiot. You act as if John Kerry had differing views on gay marriage as well. Both he and Bush were for unions and against marriage. How is he ANY better in that case? Is it just because he isnt George Bush or is it because when we think of homosexuals, we think of extremely left-leaning Democrats, so John Kerry's viewpoint on the subject is somehow less harsh?
As for your second comment, it's total fallacy. I'm one of the very few Nintendo fans at this board who is completely and totally in acceptance of their fate and understands that they should be more concerned about staying alive as a company than making the GameCube more popular. This generation is over for them and has been for some time. Likewise, I'm not a fanboy. I love Nintendo, but I love video games as a whole -- why else would I spend so much time and money on them?
The Xbox has been my system of choice for well over a year and a half now and you'll find me commenting in more or less every major game that's been released for it since then because I play them all. I havent bought a new Cube game since Mario Kart basically (I will be getting Prime 2 on day 1 though), while I've picked up a solid 10 Xbox titles or so in that timespan at full price. The company for me will always be my preference because they got me into games. If I were a fanboy, as you apparently are for the Democratic party, I would completely oppose anyone who competed against them and would make it a point to constantly berate said other companies.
MetatronM said:
Health care is the biggest issue imo. My ex-gf's company offered Health care for gay couples as well as traditional couples. Since Health Care is an issue for companys rather than the govt, what does 'marriage' really count for? Before this president, there was a tax penalty for being married.
He left it up to states, the majority doesn't want to promote gay marriages. I would be offended if I was gay, but considering how long the federal govt discriminated against traditional marriages, I can't really get that pissed.
I thanked gay couples for my medical care a few years ago when my ex-gf worked at Glaxo Smith Kline. Without them, I wouldn't have had anything. That has nothing to do with the federal govt though. Another reason I voted for Bush, the federal govt getting involved with healthcare will be just as bad or worse as when they got involved with public schools. Public schools were origionally for people who couldn't afford alternate schooling, but now is something much more. It's sad, and not a very effective program. Health care could be the same way.
Just quickly looking at the bigger states (California, New York, Florida, etc.), I'm guessing that Bush's lead would actually be slightly larger than it is now, and Kerry would essentially have no chance whatsoever of winning.impirius said:Nebraska and Maine. Colorado shot down an initiative about that this election, but I guess you saw that already.
Here's a question: What would the electoral votes look like if every state used the proportional system?
BruceWayne
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Hahahahah.
Ed Bradley proved how it was impossible mathematically for John Kerry to win Ohio.
Dan Rarther's response:
We Shall see..
Leslie's reponse:
We're seeing election 2000 (Yeah right,...Kerry won the popular vote didn't he?)
Ed Bradley proved how it was impossible mathematically for John Kerry to win Ohio.
Dan Rarther's response:
We Shall see..
Leslie's reponse:
We're seeing election 2000 (Yeah right,...Kerry won the popular vote didn't he?)
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Meier said:
Kerry was one of a few who voted against DOMA. Also, he probably wouldn't have used the bully pulpit to promote an admendment against gay marriages.
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MetatronM said:
Any reason you didn't include adoption rights? I believe that many of the benefits given to married couples are based on the assumption that children will be raised in the future. If a gay couple has no intention of adopting children, I do not see a need for them to be married. You can say the same for straight couples, but it would be hard to go against tradition.
impirius said:Nebraska and Maine. Colorado shot down an initiative about that this election, but I guess you saw that already.
Here's a question: What would the electoral votes look like if every state used the proportional system?
If every state used a proportional system then why not just let the popular vote decide? Wait, wait, let me guess, it would suddenly be fair if the 51% of voters got to cast 2 votes but the 49% only got one in a state with 3 votes?
Dude there was a guy in here going off about 9.11 ... what the hell does that have to do with anything?
I'm all for political free speech, but something is wrong when 99.9% of every person going out and voting can only vote for guy number 1 or guy number 2. No one else on any independent platform has the same views as you? Wow what a coinscidence. I didn't know you could group the entire nation into a basic split of this or that. It's like if your a republican you agree with everything about Bush on down the line or a Democrat you agree with Kerry on down the line. At least thats how the votes ALWAYS go in congress. No one can think for themselves. And most of the nation can't either. Bush/Kerry is an idiot, i disagree with everything he says. Thats really funny when both agree on a lot of issues and people still completely hate one or the other. Makes a lot of sense.
I'm all for political free speech, but something is wrong when 99.9% of every person going out and voting can only vote for guy number 1 or guy number 2. No one else on any independent platform has the same views as you? Wow what a coinscidence. I didn't know you could group the entire nation into a basic split of this or that. It's like if your a republican you agree with everything about Bush on down the line or a Democrat you agree with Kerry on down the line. At least thats how the votes ALWAYS go in congress. No one can think for themselves. And most of the nation can't either. Bush/Kerry is an idiot, i disagree with everything he says. Thats really funny when both agree on a lot of issues and people still completely hate one or the other. Makes a lot of sense.
It's especially interesting in Ohio, where there are just a few very heavily populated counties that voted for Kerry.snapty00 said:
For the uninitiated: The proportional system is NOT mainly based on the overall votes in the state. The way the proportional system works in Maine and Nebraska is that each Congressional district gets one electoral vote, and the final two electoral votes are determined by the statewide winner. So in Ohio, for example, Bush would get a ton of the electoral votes from that big red area of the state.
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