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[videogamer]

LOL - I love Bush haters. It's funny listening to people acting like getting a new president suddenly makes a damn bit of difference. I'm 20 and I can't think of a single thing a change of president has directly effected me in life. Maybe I got a couple bucks more or less on a tax return, and thats it.

Damn, its only another 8 years before the shadow government takes over in 2012 .. so whats that difference anyway?

Use of bully pulpit against gay rights
Environmental policies
Iraq war

 

[snapty00]

LOL - I love Bush haters. It's funny listening to people acting like getting a new president suddenly makes a damn bit of difference. I'm 20 and I can't think of a single thing a change of president has directly effected me in life. Maybe I got a couple bucks more or less on a tax return, and thats it.

Damn, its only another 8 years before the shadow government takes over in 2012 .. so whats that difference anyway?

Pretty much.

Three years ago, some alarmists claimed the worldn't wouldn't exist because Bush is a warhawk. Well, we're still here.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Jesus, you give us Liberals a bad name. While I think it is probable that Cheney and Co. ceased on 9/11 to go to Iraq, I don't think they were 'joyous' that thousands of people died and that America was wounded.

just to clear this up - i'm not suggesting that their reaction was anything like this - you'd have to be pretty fucked up to not be appalled and saddened by 9/11. i'm more talking about certain persons' usage of 9/11 as leverage to go to war in the middle east. i'm shutting up now.

 

[videogamer]

How can stupid John Kerry's campaign contest Ohio count if they didnt' even win popular votes?

Good to see liberals and socialists thoroughly owned tonight.

We need to stand up to the conservatives. We're not going to be as easily run over as in 2002

 

[Kon Tiki]

Well, we're still here.

So is Osama.

 

[Dilbert]

How can stupid John Kerry's campaign contest Ohio count if they didnt' even win popular votes?

Good to see liberals and socialists thoroughly owned tonight.

Socialists?

 

[snapty00]

So is Osama.

I'm not too worried about Osama. I don't think he's gonna blow up my house or anything.

 

[Hollywood]

Seriously what about the lives of those less fortunate?

Um ... I think the shadow government doesn't care either way ... so you know.

 

[Fresh Prince]

As pointed out earlier, it was an event of joyous occassion for neocons, who believe that this sets forth the beginning of the return of Christ. I don't think they shed a tear for the large number of Bengalis and Japanese who were in the WTC at the time.

These same neocons would go as far as to label Kerry as a "vote against God". What I find sad that it's hard for you to see this twisted extremism existing in your own country and you don't seem to be aware of it.

hmmm

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

The same group of people I hated for making the Passion of the Christ succesful is now making me so proud.

The gay marriage proposal was genius, people might have been vehemently against the war in Iraq, but they sure as fuck couldn't let the homo's get married.

I feel that gays should have the right to marry irrespective of anything, but I feel that if a law were to be passed legalizing gay marriage, it would need to include a clause requiring the new couple to adopt a baby sometime in the future (provided they stay together).

Voter Breakdown

People voting for Bush because they think he's great - retards and rednecks

People voting for Kerry because they think he's great - slightly better than the previous group.

People voting for Kerry because Bush needs to be removed - Intelligent, hard working people, the upper middle class.

People voting for Bush after realizing that he has some major problems, but is better for the country in the long term - The true geniuses in this country.

Fortunately for the geniuses, the majority of this country is made up of fucking retards.

 

[MetatronM]

George W. Bush, Rep (i) 2,736,850 (51%)
John F. Kerry, Dem 2,599,244 (48.5%)

The margin is just continuing to increase -- by the time that final 2.1% is reported it will likely be something like 51.5% to 48% I'd bet. Kerry and the Democrats look so pathetic tonight.. and people like ErasureAcer who are holding onto this phantom hope.. oh it's a joy to behold.

They don't look pathetic, if you ask me. The only thing they said is that they want every vote to be counted, and the (Republican) Secretary of State of Ohio has already stated that that will happen. They can't concede, because it is theoretically possible that they might pull off some magic voodoo victory in Ohio after all the absentee provisional ballots get looked at. I think if they count up how many provisional ballots there are (which will be done tomorrow) and find that there's no way Kerry can win, then it will be over tomorrow.

I DON'T foresee the same kind of crazy challenges and litigation really marring the thing and making the Dems look really desperate. But I do foresee them holding out until they can be sure that it is impossible for them to win. I imagine this Ohio business will be over either tomorrow or 11 days from now. It certainly won't go on any longer than that, and really, I think it's going to be over tomorrow.

And by tomorrow, I mean today (Wednesday).

 

[rc213]

I thought it did, the last time I checked local news.

It's borderline at the moment. quite a turnaround I must say.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

http://www.zogby.com/

ahahah.

 

[FightyF]

I've got a clue you jackass sonofabitch. I can't believe you aren't going to be banned and that I am.

If you are going to take this any further, do it over PM. Don't derail this thread. Discuss this with a mod and with me, if you feel so inclined. The way I see it, you are hurling personal insults while I haven't. I don't see where you get the idea that I should be banned, since I, and I'm just reiterating this now, never claimed anything about how YOU felt on 9/11. I didn't even -hint- it was you. I said quite clearly, "neocons" something you admit to not being.

 

[snapty00]

lol I keep getting these e-mail alerts from CNN.com. They're acting like this is circa 1950s..."THE RESULTS ARE JUST COMING IN! TAKE COVER, EVERYBODY!" :lol

 

[impirius]

Socialists?

Yeah man, the Socialist Party didn't get a SINGLE electoral vote! ELECTIOWNED

 

[Dilbert]

LOL - I love Bush haters. It's funny listening to people acting like getting a new president suddenly makes a damn bit of difference. I'm 20 and I can't think of a single thing a change of president has directly effected me in life.

Well, for one thing, "No Child Left Behind" clearly came too late to straighten you out.

It's charming how you are basing your statement on experience...and then subvert yourself by admitting that you're 20. Also, just because past elections haven't affected you...what makes you so sure that THIS one won't? That's a fallacy.

 

[Kon Tiki]

I'm not too worried about Osama. I don't think he's gonna blow up my house or anything.

True. Who cares if more people die around the world, as long as you are comfortable.

 

[Hollywood]

Use of bully pulpit against gay rights
Environmental policies
Iraq war

Yeah only thing that that stuff effects me is when I turn on the TV. Stuff is too damn overglorified. More people die from smoking in a day than have overall in this damn war.

Gay people, you want my marriage rights? I don't give a damn. It's a piece of paper that says 'your married'. Big deal. Here, I'll sell you my marriage rights for a couple of lotto tickets.

 

[snapty00]

True. Who cares if more people die around the world, as long as you are comfortable.

Yeah, I bet Osama has really done some damage in that cave of his. I'm scurred for myself and scurred for the world! :O :O

 

[MetatronM]

How can stupid John Kerry's campaign contest Ohio count if they didnt' even win popular votes?

Good to see liberals and socialists thoroughly owned tonight.

Good question. How could Bush have been President for the last four years if he didn't win the popular vote?

Oh, that's right. Because that's how the Constitution works.

 

[Kon Tiki]

Gay people, you want my marriage rights? I don't give a damn. It's a piece of paper that says 'your married'.

Ah too be young and stupid again.

Yeah only thing that that stuff effects me is when I turn on the TV. Stuff is too damn overglorified. More people die from smoking in a day than have overall in this damn war.

Taking up smoking and waking up to bombs dropping are a bit different.

Yeah, I bet Osama has really done some damage in that cave of his. I'm scurred for myself and scurred for the world! :O :O

I was not referring to Osama.

 

[DJ_Tet]

C'mon dude, calm down, it's not worth the 15 yards!

lol that's true

 

[RiZ III]

Originally Posted by Hollywood:
LOL - I love Bush haters. It's funny listening to people acting like getting a new president suddenly makes a damn bit of difference. I'm 20 and I can't think of a single thing a change of president has directly effected me in life.

Typical American. Your not the only one affected by the leadership of this country. Being greatest world power, these guys effect people all over the world. Kinda like the 100 thousand Iraqis that have died in the past 1 and half years.

 

[FightyF]

Fresh Prince: I stand corrected and take back that statement. I didn't mean to imply that they were celebrating during that moment, but when I read that sentence that sounds like what I'm saying.

What I am referring to is how they now view it as something good. Just as Benjamin Netanyahu referred to 9/11 as "a good thing, for Israel" meaning that it will bring more attention to the plight of innocent Israelis, I would say that neocons see 9/11 as a good thing, as (for them) it gives them an excuse to do what they want with little resistence. Again, a good example is Iraq.

 

[nathkenn]

Typical American. Your not the only one affected by the leadership of this country. Being greatest world power, these guys effect people all over the world. Kinda like the 100 thousand Iraqis that have died in the past 1 and half years.

no, its just that stupid half. the rest of us are fighting futily

 

[Dilbert]

Yeah, I bet Osama has really done some damage in that cave of his. I'm scurred for myself and scurred for the world! :O :O

"Scurred?" Is there some kind of requirement that all public statements by Bush supporters have to have an obligatory spelling or grammar fuckup somewhere just so we can keep the sides straight?

 

[SD-Ness]

XD

 

[Iceman]

"Typical American. Your not the only one affected by the leadership of this country. Being greatest world power, these guys effect people all over the world."

And that's one of the reasons why we voted for Bush (although my vote in California meant nothing apparently)

 

[videogamer]

Yeah only thing that that stuff effects me is when I turn on the TV. Stuff is too damn overglorified. More people die from smoking in a day than have overall in this damn war.

Gay people, you want my marriage rights? I don't give a damn. It's a piece of paper that says 'your married'. Big deal. Here, I'll sell you my marriage rights for a couple of lotto tickets.

Iraq: of course, American lives are the only ones that count [/sarcasm]

Gay rights entails more than just marriage rights. I'm talking about more tangible things such as adoptions and inheirtance rights. Use of the bully pulpit against marriage hurts all of these.

Environmental policies on clean water and air do affect people.

 

[snapty00]

Good question. How could Bush have been President for the last four years if he didn't win the popular vote?

Oh, that's right. Because that's how the Constitution works.

I'm not trying to defend this guy, but he's basically right. If you win both the electoral vote and the popular vote by a nice margin, then you really don't have much to stand on in terms of opposition. :\

Remember, last time, Bush got the electoral vote but not the popular vote -- which was that guy's point. So, there was at least some legitimate point of disagreement. With both swinging in one's favor, it'll be much more difficult to argue.

"Scurred?" Is there some kind of requirement that all public statements by Bush supporters have to have an obligatory spelling or grammar fuckup somewhere just so we can keep the sides straight?

El oh el, etc.

 

[nathkenn]

thanks assholes
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/041103/markets_oil_2.html

 

[Fresh Prince]

Look the world isn't going to end in 4 years, but we've been just been given a push down the slippery slope and it seems that in 4 years we'll be going through this again.

 

[ElyrionX]

LOL - I love Bush haters. It's funny listening to people acting like getting a new president suddenly makes a damn bit of difference. I'm 20 and I can't think of a single thing a change of president has directly effected me in life. Maybe I got a couple bucks more or less on a tax return, and thats it.

That's the problem with a lot of Americans and people around the world nowadays. Everybody is just so myopic, parochial and selfish. The US is the only superpower in the world today and the leader of such a country matters a lot. Not only to your country but to the global community as well.

I'm only 21 and I'm a college student in Singapore and I seem to give more of a damn than you about this election.

Time to start feeling sorry for yourself and grow the fuck up........

 

[FightyF]

"Scurred" is probably a reference to a Macho Man rap song...

And this ties into the last thread about college degrees and who people vote for. DJ Tet blew a load over a mistake he made in reading my post, and he voted Bush. Don't think that I haven't taken note of this.

 

[Iceman]

"I'm talking about more tangible things such as adoptions and inheirtance rights"

you do know that people like me are against such things specifically and that's why we take the opportunity to vote to define marriage as a man-woman thing?

(not that I believe such state measures will hold up in court.. I do believe that most of them will be overturned)

 

[RiZ III]

"Typical American. Your not the only one affected by the leadership of this country. Being greatest world power, these guys effect people all over the world."

And that's one of the reasons why we voted for Bush (although my vote in California meant nothing apparently)

Why? So you can kill another 400 thousand in the next four years?

 

[Hollywood]

Yes, its stupid to not put a value on essentially a status symbol. Damn you can't marry a guy, big deal. Love who you want, a fucking piece of paper doesn't verify whats in your heart, whether you love a guy or girl. I think its bull either way. People arguing that marriage is such a big deal need to shove it, its just a status symbol. People who argue two of the same sex ruins the sancitity of marriage need to shut the hell up, because there's one helluva divorce rate and plenty of drive thru chapels. Oh dont want to ruin the sanctity of that.

I'm not republican or democrat, liberal or conservative ... but it just seems like the stupidity of one side need to be evened out with just as stupid statements from the other. Everyone eneeds to shut the hell up and think outside of a fucking party and decide on your own who you want in, and not on a party.

 

[snapty00]

I can certainly see why someone would vote for Kerry.

But if you really thought the country was going down the toilet if either got into office, I think you still haven't ridden of your teen angst.

 

[videogamer]

"I'm talking about more tangible things such as adoptions and inheirtance rights"

you do know that people like me are against such things specifically and that's why we take the opportunity to vote to define marriage as a man-woman thing?

(not that I believe such state measures will hold up in court.. I do believe that most of them will be overturned)

Well, obviously. They will continue to attack and discriminate against us.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Fresh Prince: I stand corrected and take back that statement. I didn't mean to imply that they were celebrating during that moment, but when I read that sentence that sounds like what I'm saying.

What I am referring to is how they now view it as something good. Just as Benjamin Netanyahu referred to 9/11 as "a good thing, for Israel" meaning that it will bring more attention to the plight of innocent Israelis, I would say that neocons see 9/11 as a good thing, as (for them) it gives them an excuse to do what they want with little resistence. Again, a good example is Iraq.

That I can somewhat accept.

 

[soundwave05]

I think people need to learn something from history though.

Do you really think the young people that ended up fighting in World War I or II a few years prior thought that their cozy lives would be "interrupted" like that? For most of them I bet that reality was completely unfathomable even just a few short years prior to that.

Sh-t can happen, I think people assume they're in complete control of their life, but I think this is actually a misnomer. The world can change very quickly.

 

[Iceman]

just because you believe that the sanctity of marriage doesn't exist doesn't mean that it's true or that other people don't believe just the opposite. That's why we have a democracy in place to deal with these issues. People disagree on things.

 

[videogamer]

Yes, its stupid to not put a value on essentially a status symbol. Damn you can't marry a guy, big deal. Love who you want, a fucking piece of paper doesn't verify whats in your heart, whether you love a guy or girl. I think its bull either way. People arguing that marriage is such a big deal need to shove it, its just a status symbol. People who argue two of the same sex ruins the sancitity of marriage need to shut the hell up, because there's one helluva divorce rate and plenty of drive thru chapels. Oh dont want to ruin the sanctity of that.

I'm not republican or democrat, liberal or conservative ... but it just seems like the stupidity of one side need to be evened out with just as stupid statements from the other. Everyone eneeds to shut the hell up and think outside of a fucking party and decide on your own who you want in, and not on a party.

Uh adoption, visitation rights, inheirtance... these aren't "status symbols"

 

[firex]

I'm not republican or democrat, liberal or conservative ...

That's right: you're retarded.

 

[FightyF]

Hollywood: Maybe because they don't just want a peice of paper, but also tax benefits, and other benefits married couples get. I agree with your sentiment about thinking outside the party/box, but we also have a duty to educate ourselves on the issue first.

 

[Dilbert]

Everyone eneeds to shut the hell up and think outside of a fucking party and decide on your own who you want in, and not on a party.

Hey, guess what? I'm not a member of a political party, and I have enough irrational hatred of Dubya to feed a small army! So much for that theory, eh?

Also, if you think marriage is just a "status symbol" and doesn't confer special standing under the law, then you're completely insane.

 

[DJ_Tet]

If you are going to take this any further, do it over PM. Don't derail this thread. Discuss this with a mod and with me, if you feel so inclined. The way I see it, you are hurling personal insults while I haven't. I don't see where you get the idea that I should be banned, since I, and I'm just reiterating this now, never claimed anything about how YOU felt on 9/11. I didn't even -hint- it was you. I said quite clearly, "neocons" something you admit to not being.

The way you saw it was that neocons were cheering in the streets during 9/11. You've seen your error, and as far as I'm concerned our beef is over. I'm not one to get taken down for generalizations while letting someone else get away with them. It was nothing personal, just letting you know that 9/11 affected each American in very personal ways, and to paint them with a broad brush isn't right.

 

[marko]

Typical American. Your not the only one affected by the leadership of this country. Being greatest world power, these guys effect people all over the world. Kinda like the 100 thousand Iraqis that have died in the past 1 and half years.

100 thousand Iraqis died in the past year and a half because of the Bush? damn.

Either way, the leadership decisions of the United States will always affect other countries, no matter who the leader is. I can only hope some day Iraq will reap some benefit from all they are going through.

 

[videogamer]

just because you believe that the sanctity of marriage doesn't exist doesn't mean that it's true or that other people don't believe just the opposite. That's why we have a democracy in place to deal with these issues. People disagree on things.

Uh I never said anything about "sanctity of marriage". Don't put words in my mouth.