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Official Formula One 2010 Thread
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Cereal KiIIer
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idahoblue said:
What's funny? I watch my MLB games online with MLB.tv...
Cereal KiIIer
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idahoblue said:
Not for long :lol
Cereal KiIIer
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idahoblue said:
Canada and no cable
Don't worry... I manage to watch them anyway (with 3-4 hours of delay
) but I didn't mind paying for a HD feed.Cereal KiIIer said:Canada and no cable
Don't worry... I manage to watch them anyway (with 3-4 hours of delay
Try this one:
http://www.lasexta.com/sextatv/formula1
and if you have problems, use a Spanish proxy.
Cereal KiIIer
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idahoblue said:
I use ninja... I quite like the BBC team and all the pre-race stuff.
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Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.134 21
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.672 + 0.538 14
3. Schumacher Mercedes 1:21.716 + 0.582 12
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:22.011 + 0.877 27
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:22.026 + 0.892 22
6. Rosberg Mercedes 1:22.070 + 0.936 19
7. Kubica Renault 1:22.202 + 1.068 22
8. Alonso Ferrari 1:22.258 + 1.124 19
9. Petrov Renault 1:22.397 + 1.263 23
10. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.492 + 1.358 26
11. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:22.588 + 1.454 24
12. Massa Ferrari 1:22.975 + 1.841 22
13. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:23.030 + 1.896 21
14. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.110 + 1.976 31
15. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:23.284 + 2.150 19
16. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:23.312 + 2.178 22
17. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:23.471 + 2.337 20
18. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.329 + 4.195 17
19. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:26.244 + 5.110 20
20. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.340 + 5.206 23
21. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.694 + 5.560 24
22. Klien HRT-Cosworth 1:27.250 + 6.116 26
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:27.752 + 6.618 27
24. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari No time 3
All Timing UnofficialWell, there has been a lot of discussion this week about Ferrari and their engine change.
They were given sanction by the FIA to change the engine design, thus bringing a new engine to the party.
Under FIA rules, this is strictly prohibited. So why has the FIA allowed this.
Is it because Jean Todt is the president and he is biased? I dont think so, but something is not right.
The Sauber team who use Ferrari engines have also had engine problems but of a different kind.
However, this week, Sauber is saying they have the same engine problem as Ferrari. Hmmm.
Because Ferrari has to supply engines to a customer, then it is in the interest of the FIA for the customer to be competitive and have a reliable engine.
Ferrari claims that the new engine is not more powerful than the previous engine but it is more reliable.
Rumours have surfaced stating that the new Ferrari engine is 10+bhp more powerful than the last one.
Well, we will only know whether this is true after qualifying.
However, since the FIA said OK for the engine, Alonso has made a statement saying Ferrari are favourites for the title. Why is he so confident now?
If you would like a detailed explanation of what it is that the Ferrari Engine is doing and why they are changing it, let me know and I will explain.
Other news.
* McLaren are still Veto-ing Renaults request for an Engine upgrade. Renault has requested to have parts upgraded but at the moment, it is still being reviewed. Whatever it is that Renault have, people are scared of it, especially McLaren.
* McLaren have new car for this race but engine upgrades in the pipeline may not feature in Barcelona.
* Red Bull may finally use the diffuser what has been described as A work of Art. Watch out for their triple-double decker Diffuser. If they use it, they wont be followed as it is designed to prevent followers running in the slip stream.
They were given sanction by the FIA to change the engine design, thus bringing a new engine to the party.
Under FIA rules, this is strictly prohibited. So why has the FIA allowed this.
Is it because Jean Todt is the president and he is biased? I dont think so, but something is not right.
The Sauber team who use Ferrari engines have also had engine problems but of a different kind.
However, this week, Sauber is saying they have the same engine problem as Ferrari. Hmmm.
Because Ferrari has to supply engines to a customer, then it is in the interest of the FIA for the customer to be competitive and have a reliable engine.
Ferrari claims that the new engine is not more powerful than the previous engine but it is more reliable.
Rumours have surfaced stating that the new Ferrari engine is 10+bhp more powerful than the last one.
Well, we will only know whether this is true after qualifying.
However, since the FIA said OK for the engine, Alonso has made a statement saying Ferrari are favourites for the title. Why is he so confident now?
If you would like a detailed explanation of what it is that the Ferrari Engine is doing and why they are changing it, let me know and I will explain.
Other news.
* McLaren are still Veto-ing Renaults request for an Engine upgrade. Renault has requested to have parts upgraded but at the moment, it is still being reviewed. Whatever it is that Renault have, people are scared of it, especially McLaren.
* McLaren have new car for this race but engine upgrades in the pipeline may not feature in Barcelona.
* Red Bull may finally use the diffuser what has been described as A work of Art. Watch out for their triple-double decker Diffuser. If they use it, they wont be followed as it is designed to prevent followers running in the slip stream.
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DarkJC said:
If I spend over 10, it's claimed that I'm in the red.
EG: I have 12.974.000. If I try to upgrade from a Force India chassis (31.4M) to a Renualt chassis (44M) - a difference of 12.6M - I am told that I have -2.452.000 available money and am not allowed to upgrade.
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S. L. said:
Ah, I see. Sonofabitch.
S. L. said:
Same here. It seems incredibly difficult to make any real gains after a couple of poor results at the start of the season, and I expect the gap between the top and bottom teams to only widen as the season goes on. Think I'm going to be stuck with Bruno all year!
Anyone got a good stream of the BBC FP2 coverage.
I have a good quality stream but it has no commentary, quality is good though.
http://eplsite.com/stream1.html
I have a good quality stream but it has no commentary, quality is good though.
http://eplsite.com/stream1.html
Goldrusher
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Schumacher is flying. The new car really suits him.
Steppenwolf
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BAW said:
Synergy effects between development of F1 tyres and tyres for other racing series and road cars. Also they should be safer (don't bounce around as much after a crash).
Another great insight into the updated cars for Spanish GP:
The Spanish Grand Prix, round five of the F1 world championship is the first European round after the flyaway races and as such is always an event where all the teams bring updates to their car to a greater or lesser extent and this year is no exception.
What we are seeing this weekend is in most cases not as extreme as last season, when many teams were trying to catch the Brawn team by copying the double diffuser, but there are some quite significant and eye-catching changes on many cars.
Perhaps the team with the most eagerly anticipated changes is Mercedes. Last years champions when they were called Brawn have had the slowest car of the top four teams thus far and always targeted Spain as the race where they would bring in big changes.
Mercedes has two obvious updates here, one is the angling forwards of the front suspension, to help with a weight distribution problem and the other is the air intake, which is so radical a solution that many aerodynamicists Ive spoken to say theyve never even thought of trying it in a wind tunnel.
Instead of a hole above the drivers head, the Mercedes has two air intakes lower down on either side of his head with a short fin to give the car the required height dimensions. This solution also helps the airflow onto the rear wing.
What makes this very interesting is that if you look carefully the driver sits quite high in the car anyway, probably in order to see over the very high front of the cockpit on the Mercedes. This isnt perfect as every millimetre your drivers backside is above the floor is raising your centre of gravity, which is a bad thing. The air coming off the drivers head must be affecting the flow into the air intakes. Today the drivers were experimenting with plastic flip-ups on the top of their helmets to see if it improved that.
The front suspension is angled forwards on the Mercedes in order to lengthen the distance between the front and rear wheels and this has the effect of moving the weight backwards. They have done this because the drivers were complaining of the car pushing straight on in the corners, or understeering. Weight distribution is the most critical thing when it comes to tyre temperature and balance and this is clearly what Michael Schumacher was struggling with in China. The new narrow front tyres dont grip like last years or like the ones he was used to in 2006. Judging from his strong performance in practice today, this fix seems to be working.
A lot has been said about this problem, but engineers tell me that angling the front suspension is the lightest solution, indicating that it was not a major problem, more a characteristic which needed addressing. Of course in moving the front wheels forward they have had to move the front wing forward too. This will have a negative effect on the aerodynamics so there is a loss to be swallowed before the gain you get from the improved weight distribution, but they must be happy with that trade off to have gone ahead with the change.
(Incidentally look at the small orange ring on the underside of the monocoque. That wasnt there before and appears to be for adjusting the ride height during pit stops.)
Doing all of this will have eaten up much of their resources at a time when teams need to be well into the design of next years cars. There is a big rule change next year with the banning of double diffusers, so Mercedes will be worried that they are falling behind on that.
Ferrari and McLaren front wings
Many teams have new front wings here. The more complex they are with flaps to add downforce the more it indicates that the team has also added downforce at the rear of the car via the rear wing and diffuser and need to balance it out at the front. Judging from the McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari front wings there is a lot more overall downforce on the cars and it shows when you watch them on track. They look nailed to the ground.
Its interesting to contrast the McLaren and Ferrari front wings. The McLaren is an elegant cascade, like the Red Bull wing, whereas the Ferrari is more classic with more detailed work on the endplates. Its striking how different they are.
New longer Virgin car
Virgin has brought a new chassis for Timo Glock this weekend, which is longer than the original model, still being used by Lucas di Grassi. The fuel tank was not large enough to complete the Grand Prix distance and the team was given special dispensation to change the monocoque, which is a homologated part. The Virgin team has used the opportunity to introduce some other bodywork changes, such as a fin engine cover, which is in vogue at the moment and a large exit hole for cooling which is straight out of the Red Bull design textbook.
These engine covers are very eye catching but actually contribute only a small gain, in comparison to front wing or diffuser updates. But they get everyone talking because they are so noticeable.
A big cooling exit like this has a cost in lost downforce, but it gets all the hot air out of the engine bay in one go and in Red Bulls case is the most efficient system given the extremely tight packaging of the rear end of the car. Virgin doesnt appear to have such packaging issues, but has gone for the exit hole anyway.
AcridMeat said:
Me too. I definitely could have used the money too. Then again I live in Nashville and we have had no phone, TV or internet since Sunday at home due to the flooding.
Now I am taking a weird risk setup. I could either do well and move up for the future, or this could seal my fate for good.
After a three week break, the 2010 Formula 1 season continues in Barcelona. Having had time to consider new approaches to the design of their cars, several teams have brought new aerodynamic and engine upgrades to the race. Ferrari, after battling reliability issues with their engines, are hoping to turn things further in their favor with their revised engine (and in turn lending Sauber a hand with their bad luck) and perhaps land a second victory for the season. Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren, and Virgin, among others, are bringing new aerodynamic packages that range from new F-ducts, to radical changes in air intake design.
In the 1960s, Spain made a bid to return to the world of international motor racing - the Royal Automobile Club of Spain commissioned a new circuit north of Madrid at Jarama, and Cataluña refurbished their circuit at Montjuïc circuit in Barcelona. A non-championship Grand Prix took place at Jarama in 1967, which was won by Jim Clark racing in a Lotus.
In 1968, Jarama hosted the Spanish Grand Prix, near the beginning of the F1 season. It was agreed, following this event, that the race would alternate between Jarama and Montjuich.
The 1975 Grand Prix at Montjuich was marked by tragedy. There had been concerns about track safety during practice races, and double-winner Emerson Fittipaldi retired in protest after a single lap. On the 26th lap of the race, Rolf Stommelen's car crashed when the rear wing broke off, killing four spectators. The race was stopped later and won by Jochen Mass, though only half the points were awarded.
The Spanish Grand Prix was confined to Jarama until 1981, after which it was dropped from the racing calendar. In 1985, the Mayor of Jerez commissioned a new racing circuit in his town to promote tourism and sherries. The track, the Circuito Permanente de Jerez, was finished in time for the 1986 championship, which saw a furious battle between Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell, with the two cars finishing side by side. The stewards awarded the win to Senna, by 0.014 seconds - one of F1's closest finishes.
The 1990 Spanish Grand Prix was the last in Jerez (although Jerez did stage the European Grand Prix in 1994 and 1997). During the practice, Martin Donnelly's car was destroyed in a high-speed collision, and Donnelly was severely injured.
Work on the Circuit de Catalunya was underway in Barcelona, and in 1991, the event moved to this new track, where it has remained since. The 1992 event was advertised as the Grand Prix of the Olympic Games. Since that race the race has been held in early season, usually in late April or early May.
The Williamses dominated the first outings there, taking all victories until 1994. Michael Schumacher has won a total of six times, including his 1996 victory in heavy rain, which was his first for Ferrari. Mika Häkkinen took three victories and was on road for fourth in 2001 before his car failed on the last lap.
Since 2003 the race has been well attended thanks to success of Fernando Alonso. Alonso finished second in 2003 and 2005 before taking victory in 2006.
Onboard lap
Circuit de Catalunya Guide courtesy of Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber
Take a closer look at the circuit here.
Previous Winners
Championship Standings
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Interview with Renault Driver Vitaly Petrov
Q & A with McLaren Driver Jenson Button
AndyD said:
Sorry to hear that man, I've been stuck working on group projects so this week completely flew by. In all honesty I don't really know what to do with my set up. I have initial picks I made a few days after the last race which I guess I'll keep.
Also haven't been able to keep up with who has the newest/biggest updates to their chassis, apart from Mercedes.
What's going on with Ferrari? I said it was a cheap upgrade, and I was right. Fucking hell, at least McLaren is vetoing Renault. Those cheap fuckers should blame Newey for making their engine look bad. The thing is powerful and efficient last I heard. WTF do they want? The homologation of engines needs to end already. Allowing this backend bullshit is lame.navanman said:
I missed practice yesterday, and I'm gonna miss that and qualies today. I have some stupid fucking conference to attend this weekend. It goes through Sunday, but I'm having someone take notes for me that day and I'm staying in to watch the race. Go Hammy! PEACE.
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