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Official "Free" NES/GBA games for 3DS thread of Nintendo's guilt
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Anasui Kishibe
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IMACOMPUTA said:
seems like bullshit. Nintendo's site, Streetpass update and various other reminders online have never said that
TheContact
Member
I've really lost all my faith in Nintendo. I was so hyped for the 3DS, had to wait a couple weeks after release before I was able to find time to buy and play it, and then they go and announce a price cut...and as compensation we get maybe 6 decent games that could be worth playing out of it...
Reggie is just a blatant liar who will say anything that increases his PR points, and when he gets called out on it he just changes the subject. I hate this guy, I really hope Nintendo finds someone else!
I'm not a PS3 fanboy (if anything I'm a 360 fanboy) but I think Jack Tretton does the best job at marketing Sony's image. Listen to his interviews...Geoff K. asked him if there was some kind of hostility between Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, and he brushed it off and said something like, 'we're all in this together--we're all doing stuff that's good for the industry and therefore good for all of us'
Now listen to the interviews with Reggie. He's just a liar and will say anything at all to make Nintendo seem like it's the best thing in the world, even if he has to lie! Like telling us the 3DS had a remarkable release line-up at launch...what 2 games?? So remarkable...
I'm not going to buy the Wii U for a while until after its release and the price gets cut. I've just had it with Nintendo.
But since I already have the 3DS I guess it will collect dust until StarFox comes out since I beat Ocarina of Time. Then what? Pokemon? in 2 years? ..sigh...
*Turns on his xbox*
Reggie is just a blatant liar who will say anything that increases his PR points, and when he gets called out on it he just changes the subject. I hate this guy, I really hope Nintendo finds someone else!
I'm not a PS3 fanboy (if anything I'm a 360 fanboy) but I think Jack Tretton does the best job at marketing Sony's image. Listen to his interviews...Geoff K. asked him if there was some kind of hostility between Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft, and he brushed it off and said something like, 'we're all in this together--we're all doing stuff that's good for the industry and therefore good for all of us'
Now listen to the interviews with Reggie. He's just a liar and will say anything at all to make Nintendo seem like it's the best thing in the world, even if he has to lie! Like telling us the 3DS had a remarkable release line-up at launch...what 2 games?? So remarkable...
I'm not going to buy the Wii U for a while until after its release and the price gets cut. I've just had it with Nintendo.
But since I already have the 3DS I guess it will collect dust until StarFox comes out since I beat Ocarina of Time. Then what? Pokemon? in 2 years? ..sigh...
*Turns on his xbox*
AceBandage
Banned
carfo said:
You must be new to... business.
Electivirus
Member
carfo said:
ahahahaha
Franchuzas87
Member
I think you should have done that before.carfo said:
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
carfo said:
next time turn it on before writing something
Dreamwriter
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You realize that the 3DS flopping was a total surprise to Nintendo, right? They didn't plan on having to drop the price by that huge amount this quickly, in fact this is the first time Nintendo has ever sold a system for a loss at the beginning of its life. And they are giving us a hell of a good deal who bought systems, did you see the list of GBA games? Even just the few they announced are some of Nintendo's most popular games, and nobody else will be given a chance to get those for years.carfo said:
As for the 3DS launch lineup, Reggie stated it was their strongest third-party launch window titles ever, and that was truth. Street Fighter 4, DOA, Ridge Racer, Resident Evil, Lego Star Wars, Sims 3, Madden Football, Super Monkeyball, Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Pro Evo Soccer, Puzzle Bobble...that's a very strong lineup of non-Nintendo titles, with something for everybody. Of course, the quality of every one of those games wasn't necessarily good, but Reggie wouldn't have known that months before their release when he made that statement. Think of it, if those games were all done at the same quality of Street Fighter 4, it would have been a killer launch, one of the best system launches of all time, marred only by the lack of a good AAA Nintendo title (which was Nintendo's big mistake of coarse - they held back at launch to appease third party developers that didn't want to compete with a Zelda, Mario Kart, Kid Icarus right at launch).
To be honest, Reggie was right when he said that the 3DS had a decent 3rd party lineup especially in comparison to previous Nintendo portable systems.
I mean to be perfectly honest, I can't name any launch games for the Game Boy, Game Boy Color, or Game Boy Advance that were 3rd party.
Question: Would more people say that the 3DS has games if the system didn't have ANY 3rd party games but say, only 2-3 games from nintendo's biggest franchises?
I think so.
I mean to be perfectly honest, I can't name any launch games for the Game Boy, Game Boy Color, or Game Boy Advance that were 3rd party.
Question: Would more people say that the 3DS has games if the system didn't have ANY 3rd party games but say, only 2-3 games from nintendo's biggest franchises?
I think so.
carfo said:
That was my plan with Wii. After GameCube got a price cut 6 months in, figured that Wii would follow suit, so skipped the launch period. (Changed my mind when it became obvious that the early price drop wasn't going to happen.) It's probably a good idea to skip launch period releases altogether, though. e.g. 360 RROD (though that was a ~4 year period to skip :/ ), Wii graphics issue, 3DS screen scratch.
Nintendo isn't responsible for your decision to buy the 3DS at a price tag of $250. That was a decision you made and no one else takes responsibility for it. You thought that it was worth the money, otherwise you wouldn't have bought it. It's silly to complain that you only get "maybe 6 decent games" as compensation.carfo said:
Under normal circumstances - the 3DS selling as planned, no price cut happened - you would still have paid $250 with the difference that you wouldn't get anything afterwards. Now the 3DS didn't reach expecations, they cut the price and you get 10 games for "free". What's there to complain? If you thought that the 3DS was overpriced, you shouldn't have bought it. As easy as that. If you think the 3DS's line-up was bad, you shouldn't have bought it either. But you did. That's your very own fault.
GeekyDad
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Anasui Kishibe said:
Is it just me, or is GAF a community of who can out troll the other guy?
I don't agree with everything the guy had to say, but he has valid points, which he made intelligently.
As to his comments, Tretton is merely giving you the same line of bullshit colored green instead of brown. It's all bullshit, though. Don't kid yourself. Reggie seems like a great guy, but even fine people have a dirty job to do sometimes, and when your salary is what his is, you're more willing to do it. People are people. (and trolls are still fucking annoying)
TheContact
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You guys are right. Ultimately, I made the decision to buy the 3DS. Nintendo did not hold a gun to my head. I am not unhappy with the system itself, rather I'm upset with the way Nintendo went about handling the decision to sell the 3DS overpriced, the subsequent price cut, and compensation package.
I paid $250 because I thought that's what the system was worth. Evidently it isn't.
I'm aware that the console didn't sell as expected, and so the company had to react by cutting the price. To announce such a huge price cut means they made a mistake of pricing it too high--in a way they got too greedy because they figured the console was going to sell like hotcakes so they priced it higher than normal and still expected a lot of sales. The fact that they were able to cut the price around 40% means there was absolutely no reason to have the original price point set that high to begin with. So, to me, their plan was to sell it overpriced, and if for some reason it doesn't sell, there would be room to fall back on and still hit profits. I am sure Nintendo had a contingency plan. I thought consoles weren't really supposed to generate revenue for companies; the real profits are coming from games / accessories. Maybe someone can come here and spit out some statistics about how much profit (or loss) the company gains or loses for each 3DS sold, before + after the price cut. It would be interesting to know that.
I don't think that the Ambassador Program is worthy compensation. I think most people would rather have funds placed in their Nintendo account, or some kind of gift card that can be used only for Nintendo products. I think I know WHY Nintendo won't do this, because they'd essentially -lose- the money instead of just routing the purchase compensation to their store which they could give away free items and not lose anything.
Yes, their sales are down, but only relatively. They are still making huge profits.
Nintendo's mistake was not releasing it originally at $170. I assume that the reasoning behind their price cut is because the more people who own a 3DS, the more profit they will receive from games and accessories.
They make it even worse by not letting the "late adopters" have access to the games. What's the point of this? To make early adopters feel special? Are most gamers that selfish? I'd rather everyone have access to the game that way the community for that game gets as busy as it can be.
...and wow..I'm not some industry analyzer here...I'm just a normal consumer. I don't claim to know any business techniques as facts...These are just my thoughts as a consumer.
This is how they go about offering compensation for the biggest, fastest price cut in Nintendo's history? I've bought enough VC games on my Wii already.
I paid $250 because I thought that's what the system was worth. Evidently it isn't.
I'm aware that the console didn't sell as expected, and so the company had to react by cutting the price. To announce such a huge price cut means they made a mistake of pricing it too high--in a way they got too greedy because they figured the console was going to sell like hotcakes so they priced it higher than normal and still expected a lot of sales. The fact that they were able to cut the price around 40% means there was absolutely no reason to have the original price point set that high to begin with. So, to me, their plan was to sell it overpriced, and if for some reason it doesn't sell, there would be room to fall back on and still hit profits. I am sure Nintendo had a contingency plan. I thought consoles weren't really supposed to generate revenue for companies; the real profits are coming from games / accessories. Maybe someone can come here and spit out some statistics about how much profit (or loss) the company gains or loses for each 3DS sold, before + after the price cut. It would be interesting to know that.
I don't think that the Ambassador Program is worthy compensation. I think most people would rather have funds placed in their Nintendo account, or some kind of gift card that can be used only for Nintendo products. I think I know WHY Nintendo won't do this, because they'd essentially -lose- the money instead of just routing the purchase compensation to their store which they could give away free items and not lose anything.
Yes, their sales are down, but only relatively. They are still making huge profits.
Nintendo's mistake was not releasing it originally at $170. I assume that the reasoning behind their price cut is because the more people who own a 3DS, the more profit they will receive from games and accessories.
They make it even worse by not letting the "late adopters" have access to the games. What's the point of this? To make early adopters feel special? Are most gamers that selfish? I'd rather everyone have access to the game that way the community for that game gets as busy as it can be.
...and wow..I'm not some industry analyzer here...I'm just a normal consumer. I don't claim to know any business techniques as facts...These are just my thoughts as a consumer.
This is how they go about offering compensation for the biggest, fastest price cut in Nintendo's history? I've bought enough VC games on my Wii already.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
carfo said:
Apparantly they are taking a loss on hardware now.
Why would never have priced it higher at launch? Well, they've NEVER taken a loss on a console in their history. They wanted profit on hardware as they always have. Their only mistake was doing what they have always done... which apparantly wasn't going to work this time around.
Saw this on Twitter earlier. Seems to good to be true but I hope it is, I really hope.
Rumoured list of titles.
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/nintendo...r-ambassador-program-along-with-release-dates
Rumoured list of titles.
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/nintendo...r-ambassador-program-along-with-release-dates
This. And Super Mario Ball is the Japanese name whereas it's called Super Mario Pinball Land in the US. So if this is the US list it's weird they wouldn't use the US title for it. Another strange thing is that they say that one of the GBA games has fully updated 3DS controls, which doesn't make much sense because most people have concluded that there has to be an internal ARM CPU that's running the GBA games, which explains why you can't have 3DS features and sleep mode enabled since those CPUs are shut down while running DS games (or something like that).NEO0MJ said:
nincompoop
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Faker than fakest.dc89 said:
Knux-Future
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Give me a Fire Emblem or Advance Wars and we good, Nintendo.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I have a feeling that a lot of people will complain about GBA games aging badly in the years to come. All that scratchy, compressed audio will be a turn-off when you're playing it on a much more advanced handheld.
Obviously old-school gamers will be able to look past it, but I just have a feeling complaining is coming..
Obviously old-school gamers will be able to look past it, but I just have a feeling complaining is coming..
Is this right? 3DS released in Brazil July 9th for R$1199 ($743), then less than 3 weeks later they announced the price drop and Ambassador Program. Now they've dropped the price by $R400 ($248) to $R799 ($495).
$250 for some roms? How can they even release it less than 3 weeks before announcing a price drop in the first place? That seems outrageous to me, Brazilian release should have been pushed back a further month and released with the price drop. People who bought at launch have been screwed big time.
$250 for some roms? How can they even release it less than 3 weeks before announcing a price drop in the first place? That seems outrageous to me, Brazilian release should have been pushed back a further month and released with the price drop. People who bought at launch have been screwed big time.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Brazilians should have just stuck with playing Mega Drive.BKK said:
Piercedveil
Member
Brazil said:
$1000? That's so crazy haha.
But anyway, no way that list is real on the blog. Pokemon Emerald? I don't think so.
Lupin the Third
Member
nincompoop said:
This list was posted on Go Nintendo yesterday and even RMC (the admin there) warned that he thought it was fake. If THEY (of all sites) call a fake, it's probably fake.
meltingparappa
Member
If you're going to submit a fake list to **********, you might as well go all-out on the fakeness and include Earthbound Zero and Mother 3 on there for maximum disappointment potential.
I'm a littler concerned because I bought it August 10th and immediately did the update and logged into the eShop.
It took some time, but that notification within the eShop showed up saying I'm an Ambassador, but after the August 12 cut off date I no longer see the message saying I'm an Ambassador. Now it just lists things like "Welcome to the eShop"
Is this normal?
It took some time, but that notification within the eShop showed up saying I'm an Ambassador, but after the August 12 cut off date I no longer see the message saying I'm an Ambassador. Now it just lists things like "Welcome to the eShop"
Is this normal?
Fallen_Hero
Member
Too good to be true.dc89 said:
But I hope it is. :\
And this thing about during the week of August 15th...
"During the week of August 15th, Nintendo will launch a website that will allow customers to enter their Nintendo 3DS serial to check their Nintendo 3DS Ambassador Program eligibility Once the website is live, you will receive a message with the link."
Any concern to be had by customers who payed the Target/Walmart 169$?
"During the week of August 15th, Nintendo will launch a website that will allow customers to enter their Nintendo 3DS serial to check their Nintendo 3DS Ambassador Program eligibility Once the website is live, you will receive a message with the link."
Any concern to be had by customers who payed the Target/Walmart 169$?