Flying_Phoenix
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Official Mac OS X Snow Leopard thread of Shipping 8/28!!
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Mecha_Infantry
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To those who are talking about clean install:
You need to clean install Leopard, THEN Snow Leopard. Not just Leopard
(This is as I believe)
You need to clean install Leopard, THEN Snow Leopard. Not just Leopard
(This is as I believe)
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17107306&postcount=185Flying_Phoenix said:
overthehill99
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Wonderful! I'll buy my disc in the Apple store when it comes out. I want to upgrade my RAM on my iMac before I get it first.
Alright I posted this in the noob thread but might as well try here too. Does the up to date apple program work in the Apple store to or is it online only? I'm not going to be home but I'll be with my computer and near an Apple store, so if doesn't I'll probably just end up buying the regular one.
Flying_Phoenix
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So this update is mostly for developers to truly take OS X by the horns now since the old PowerPC architecture was holding them back?
DeathbyVolcano
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I'll post this again since it's important:
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Zaraki_Kenpachi
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koam said:
So put in all your info it says your system qualifies but then it takes you to the cart and it's empty? I had that problem a week or two ago and I tried it again today and it showed up in my cart and worked out fine. I guess maybe try again later or worse comes to worse call apple and see if they can help you. I couldn't get it to work until 5 mins ago or so when I tried ordering again.
BrandNew said:
Should be. You just need to tell it to upgrade instead of clean install.
Flying_Phoenix said:
Well, that and users finally get a Cocoa Finder
BrandNew said:
There's an update option (which will do what the quoted described). There's an archive & install option (moves all old files to one folder & the updates the system). Or an erase & install option (wipes everything clean & installs Snow Leopard)
Flying_Phoenix
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celebi23 said:Well, that and users finally get a Cocoa Finder
They're updating "Finder"? Thank God!
celebi23 said:
And outside of keeping your old files neither has a benefit over the other correct?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Nope, it's the exact same as every other OS.
ThePeacemaker02 said:
I believe it's only online through their program just like microsoft. They ship it to you.
celebi23 said:
i dont think there actually is anymore?
you don't get an option at all, if you just follow the prompts it will do an upgrade (no archive) that preserves all your stuff. from the installer there is no way to do anything else.
if you want erase and install you have to do that manually by starting disk utility from the tools menu in the installer and erasing the partition before you install.
i did the upgrade by accident and it seemed perfectly stable but i did it again with the erase anyway just to be safe
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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There are no install options. You upgrade.
What is there to be made unstable by an upgrade anyway? There's no registry. Applications aren't wildly thrown about your hard drive with dependencies on randomly placed files.
Let's stop talking about every OS like it's Windows XP. Do Linux people get like this with new versions of Ubuntu?
What is there to be made unstable by an upgrade anyway? There's no registry. Applications aren't wildly thrown about your hard drive with dependencies on randomly placed files.
Let's stop talking about every OS like it's Windows XP. Do Linux people get like this with new versions of Ubuntu?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You can't do a clean install if something happens? You'd have to upgrade?
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if you choose to install on a drive with leopard, it will upgrade it, if you choose a 'blank' drive it will do a 'fresh' sl install
pretty sure archive and install and erase and install as they used to be are completely gone. as i said, you can do erase and install manually via the disk utility you can run when you boot from the sl installer dvd, but the actual installer program doesnt give you an option.
the only options are the 'optional installs' like x11 and stuff, and which drive/partition to put it on.
if you choose to install on a drive with leopard, it will upgrade it, if you choose a 'blank' drive it will do a 'fresh' sl install
pretty sure archive and install and erase and install as they used to be are completely gone. as i said, you can do erase and install manually via the disk utility you can run when you boot from the sl installer dvd, but the actual installer program doesnt give you an option.
the only options are the 'optional installs' like x11 and stuff, and which drive/partition to put it on.
Pristine_Condition
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Flek said:
Actually:
According to an anonymous friend who works deep within an Apple software group, you don't need to clean install a damn thing.
Seriously. He was adamant about this. And I trust this man completely. He's told me to do clean installs in the past, too.
According to several conversations I've had, there's really no need to do a clean install with Snow Leopard...even going Tiger>Snow Leopard.
GodfatherX
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so when should new units be expected to come with the snow leopard disk or come with it preinstalled?
I'd guess it would come with the disk as of the 28th and maybe come preinstalled as soon as current supply ends, but this is my first time buying a Mac and I'm not too familiar with how the company operates
I'd guess it would come with the disk as of the 28th and maybe come preinstalled as soon as current supply ends, but this is my first time buying a Mac and I'm not too familiar with how the company operates
entremet
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The guys on the Macbreak Weekly podcast always talk about doing a clean install, as opposed to an upgrade. Are they wrong? Or is it just an old wives tale?Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I also think that the many switchers may opt for the clean install just out of habit, from their experiences with Windows.
TOTALLY agree with you here. The advantages of a "clean install" with OS X are mostly a myth. You get identical performance using the upgrade option or erase & install. Unless your system is already so messed up that you need to reformat anyway.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
And :lol that clean install zealots are forced to go the upgrade route for once.
Old wives tale.entrement said:
Turns out the Up-to-Date discs are in fact shipping alongside the rest of the Snow Leopard versions Might still go to my local Apple Store on Friday just for the T-Shirt. I've got one from the Leopard launch and then a Mac OS X Public Beta T-Shirt
Technically, you can just get the $29 version (the disc has no way to detect that you've installed on one computer already). But, morally speaking, you might need the Family Pack version (the $49 one).
Might still go to my local Apple Store on Friday just for the T-Shirt. I've got one from the Leopard launch and then a Mac OS X Public Beta T-Shirt mcawesome said:
Technically, you can just get the $29 version (the disc has no way to detect that you've installed on one computer already). But, morally speaking, you might need the Family Pack version (the $49 one).
entremet
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Yeah, I would go for the family pack version. Apple doesn't have any DRM on their OS releases, but I would reward companies for not including DRM in their software instead of trying to find loopholes.celebi23 said:Turns out the Up-to-Date discs are in fact shipping alongside the rest of the Snow Leopard versions
Technically, you can just get the $29 version (the disc has no way to detect that you've installed on one computer already). But, morally speaking, you might need the Family Pack version (the $49 one).
Flying_Phoenix
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celebi23 said:
"Morally" my ass. Morally it's my OS disk I brought and therefore I should be able to install it to as many computers as I own.
entrement said:
oh God, I can just imagine how awful that conversation must've been. :lol
hey guys, let's spend 75 minutes talking about various ways to setup a networked drobo and then follow that up with a 45 minute conversation on the best way to annotate screen shots and put them up online"
Battlezone
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LCfiner said:
But before that, it's time for our Audible Pick of the Week.
Flying_Phoenix
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SnakeXs said:
I see what you mean and where you're coming from, but that's like saying if I brought a movie that I can only watch it on one player.
To me it just seems like a bogus way to increase sales. I know about stopping piracy, freebies to friends, used market, and what not, but that's just something that software companies will have to accept (similar to how nearly every other media has to go through similar things).
ckohler said:
i'm not really sure but since SL i have had zero problems browsing gaf with safari, and it used to annoy me on a fairly regular basis before that. could just be luck not running into any big .gifs, but i think its much better, to the point that i no longer notice it, when it used to beachball like mad fairly often.
Flying_Phoenix said:
Considering there's not 1 drop of DRM on it, saying it's way to boost sales is silly. Again, morally you're in the wrong. Apple doesn't really care, though.
And your analogy is way off. When you buy a movie you buy a license to watch that movie for personal use. When you buy an OS, you buy a license to install that OS 1 time.
Flying_Phoenix
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panda21 said:
Does Safari run Gifs slower than Camino and Firefox?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Small gifs play at normal speed, larger ones are half speed.
Snow Leopard Safari doesn't play the gif at all until it's fully loaded and it's sure it can play it. So in the gif thread, you're stuck looking at a bunch of unmoving pictures until about 10 seconds later when they'll start to move.
It never beachballs, but it can just end up never playing a gif sometimes if it's large enough. You can force it to play by right-clicking and "Open Image in New Tab" where it'll start playing without a problem.
Snow Leopard Safari doesn't play the gif at all until it's fully loaded and it's sure it can play it. So in the gif thread, you're stuck looking at a bunch of unmoving pictures until about 10 seconds later when they'll start to move.
It never beachballs, but it can just end up never playing a gif sometimes if it's large enough. You can force it to play by right-clicking and "Open Image in New Tab" where it'll start playing without a problem.
Check out this video of a snow leopard hunting. Probably the coolest footage from Planet Earth (I think it took like 3 years for them to get that 30 seconds of footage).giga said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIVcg0eGEsg
Hellsing321
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Mine says shipping in September.
Flying_Phoenix
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panda21 said:
I guess, but I still call bullshit
SnakeXs said:
I really don't think you got the point of my post.
SnakeXs said:
I was saying the concept of only being able to use an OS for one computer.
Let's just drop this subject so we don't derail the thread.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Awesome, thanks Liu Kang. I just have one more question though. If I close Safari and open it back up again, will it load the previous pages I was viewing (much like Camino)?
Because this is the only thing holding me toward Camino now.
bionic77 said:
snow leopards rule
theres some cool pictures of them in the new wallpapers
http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/07/14293/
snow leopard scratch :lol
Is it confirmed that the $29 USD / $35 CAD version is a full retail disc and not just an upgrade disc? I'm on the final checkout screen with no prompts asking me to put in an old Mac serial number or anything to confirm eligibility... I really don't want a disc that can only upgrade.
Edit: By that I mean, if I use Disk Utility to format my HDD and start from scratch, can I still use that disc to install Snow Leopard.
Edit: By that I mean, if I use Disk Utility to format my HDD and start from scratch, can I still use that disc to install Snow Leopard.
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