Official Madden '10 Xbox 360 Online Franchise: A World Without Favre
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sableholic
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BigAT said:
yep, not having the 20 second run off wouldn't stop people from using that time I wouldn't think.
BigAT said:
But it does.
Let's say there was no accel clock. If you sit there and stare at the clock running down manually, you're clock-milking. We had a rule against that before. You shouldn't be waiting until the clock hits :01 or :02 on your offensive plays if you're up by two scores over your opponent midway through the 3rd quarter. 4th quarter starts, be my guest to start milking the clock. 3rd quarter is too early and unfair to anyone who's down by over 10 points.
But with the accel clock on, a playcall goes from 38 seconds (if you get the play in immediately) all the way down to 11 by the time you can immediately snap the ball (that's if you snap right away without bothering to read the defense or double-check your WR routes. That's ridiculous, 27 seconds blown. It's unfair to the players who are trying to make a comeback and know their playbook well and get their playcalls in fast. You have to no-huddle just to have a chance, but no huddle drains stamina unrealistically because EA doesn't want cheesers no-huddling the entire game online, so you're screwed by that too. the clock accel should drop to at least 15, which would probably drop the actual time runoff to 21 seconds or 22, which is what the league claims it wants to be at.
FrenchMovieTheme
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you guys are complaining that someone went for it on 4th down when they were down by 11 in the 3rd. try someone going for it on 4th down UP by 7 in the 4th!
Wellington
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I've had plenty of people come back from like 17 down in the fourth. On top of that I've scored up to 22 points in the fourth quarter to comeback and win last season. I really don't think this is an actual problem.
LiveWire said:
Yeah, didn't really start using the different packages ever in Madden, till Season 2, with all the Tribow use. Since he's more or less my power back (high Trucking and Carry) and Goaline QB, I need to sub him in at a moment's notice.
Now even using the packages a bit on Defense (like when the opponent is coming out 4 or 5 wide, and I bring out Dime, I'll sub in OLB Ends, which takes out my regular DE's, and puts my OLB's there. Both of my guys are actually rated higher at the end position than my starters, I just won't have any OLB's if I put them there all the time. But in the Dime, they wouldn't get on the field anyway, unless I did that.
I've got to keep Fargas as my 2nd back, even though I'd like to use Peerman more, just because I might need to sub in Fargas to get tough yards, and I don't want to have to pause the game to put him in for a play or 2.
Yeah, I could have ran in that INT, but I figure "get the game over with" and if I'm kneeling on the ball, there's 0 chance of anyone getting injured. Wouldn't want this 1 win negatively affect you or me, for the rest of the season (like the Real Steve Smith)
Bingo. The games take up almost the same amount of time. If we played 10 mins without the accelerated clock, we'd have way fewer participants and we'd have way higher scores (which is something people were complaining about last season).daw840 said:
Anything to win.LJ11 said:
CB's attitude is the exact opposite of what we want. :\
Wellington
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No, it was actually in the first quarter, in your territory.daw840 said:I believe I came back from a pretty big deficit to beat you in the first season, and you said something about a 3rd quarter 4th down attempt......
Let's be clear, I generally do not have a problem with people going for it because they usually have reason to do so. However, when it's the first quarter and it's any of these 'backs:
1) Adrian Peterson
2) Michael Turner
3) Brandon Jacobs
4) Beanie Wells
5) Tank Lockwood
It's an issue because we all know that they won't go down on the first hit and we're basically taking advantage of the game mechanics. On that play I did hit you in the backfield and of course AP broke the tackle. I think I may still have it saved on my Xbox if you want to see it when I get home. I would run it right up the gut in a 4th and 3 situation because I am sure I can truck stick my way to the first with Jacobs.
daw840 said:
I was beyond the 20 yard line within your territory. The score was 0-0. It was well within my right to go for it in that situation if I felt the need to, which I did. You made the stop so it backfired on me. Obviously leaving points on the field is part of the risk, but I know this going in.
Smokey said:
Don't get me wrong Smokey, I'm really not upset about it. I would have lost that damn game either way.:lol
edit: I just thought the rule said something about only if you are in that "dead zone" outside of field goal range but a punt would only net 20 yards or so.
You guys are hillarious. Do you think they look over some rule sheet in the NFL when they wanna go for it? Maybe Rex Ryan sends a text message to Jim Caldwell next week to make sure its ok? Honestly. Its 4th down. not some fucking exploit. If LJ Stopped him there would be zero talk about this becuase LJ would have started his drive in scoring position and probably seal the game .
There are far more pressing issues that get ignored and you guys are discussing someone going for it on 4th down when he is losing.
There are far more pressing issues that get ignored and you guys are discussing someone going for it on 4th down when he is losing.
LiveWire said:
That time, I actually didn't do anything. I only have 4 WR's and I believe 3 of them were tired, so IN COME THE HB's!
Which isn't too terribly bad. Slaton, Peerman, Mata, and A. Smith can make "ok" WR's. All have some speed, and average catching abilit (70's).
Someone better nip this in the bud and enforce some rules, we have a "commish" openly admitting that he doesn't even know the rules and will cheese you on 4th down if he deems it necessary, really?
I've had countless people go for it on 4th and 1 or 2 on opening drives when they were well within FG range. Normally I always kick the FG in a situation like that, but now I feel like I have to go for it because I know they will.
I know those plays can be stuffed, I did it twice last night, but it's more about the spirit of the game, those situations would end in FGs in real life 90% of the time. Bellicheck has ruined our no cheese rules with his 4th down blunder!
Who went for it on 4th down when they were up by 7 French? To me, that's like almost worth a dismissal from the league, IMO.
I've had countless people go for it on 4th and 1 or 2 on opening drives when they were well within FG range. Normally I always kick the FG in a situation like that, but now I feel like I have to go for it because I know they will.
I know those plays can be stuffed, I did it twice last night, but it's more about the spirit of the game, those situations would end in FGs in real life 90% of the time. Bellicheck has ruined our no cheese rules with his 4th down blunder!
Who went for it on 4th down when they were up by 7 French? To me, that's like almost worth a dismissal from the league, IMO.
Ramirez said:
Fake Punt 4 LFE
Look, I went for it on 4th down 3 times against Rorschach. Surprised I made all 3. Once I was down 21-0 in the 1st quarter, and throwing picks left and right...at some point, when I got my offense under control, I did all that I could to try and come back. I almost did.
Guys, just realize that sometimes, the guy you're beating the shit out of, he might want to try and win the game too.
To Clarify: I used the Fake Punt run on 4th down against Pheenicks last season, in the make up quarter. I was still "up" on him, thinking back that I was leading by 18 points or so in the 1st game, before the disconnect happened. So we played 1 more quarter, and he needed to score 18 or more points, winner gets to play the CPU. At the point I run the fake, he's up 15-0 in the make up quarter (or I'm "up" by 3). So, I can't stop him on offense, I had to preserve the win, I did what I had to do.
Its football. Its not abusing some exploit. Its part of the rules. You can't cheese anyone by going for it on 4th down. Its not cheap.
And before I start getting accused (I see I already have), I probably go for it on 4th down the least of anyone. I went for it against AT and that's the only recent time I can recall doing that. my point is that if in the heat of battle I decide I need to go for it, I'm gonna go for it. Not refer to some bullshit rules telling me what I can and can't do. This isn't jetpacking. This isn't moving multiple players on D or manually blitzing. Its basic football
And before I start getting accused (I see I already have), I probably go for it on 4th down the least of anyone. I went for it against AT and that's the only recent time I can recall doing that. my point is that if in the heat of battle I decide I need to go for it, I'm gonna go for it. Not refer to some bullshit rules telling me what I can and can't do. This isn't jetpacking. This isn't moving multiple players on D or manually blitzing. Its basic football
storybook77
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Comparing going for 4th down and short in Madden to real life is just laughable. The FB dive doesn't work 99% of the time in real life. If they ever fix it to where 4th down is just as hard to convert in Madden as it is in real life, then we won't need the rules anymore.
Ramirez said:
Yeah, I agree. Either enforce the rules or don't.
Luke went for it on 4th-1 from my 2-yard line. It was I think either in the 2nd or 3rd period and the game was either tied or he was down 7 points. I guess technically it was against the rules, but honestly, I had no problems with it at all because I would've done the same exact thing. And it's something most coaches would do in real life.
FrenchMovieTheme
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storybook77 said:
it worked 0% of the time for me last night
storybook77
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FrenchMovieTheme said:it worked 0% of the time for me last night
For teams with good to great O-Lines that shit is almost automatic though especially against weaker defenses. :\
storybook77
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Lonestar said:
It has worked pretty consistenly on me.
Wellington
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I, unfortunately, am willing to bet that I put more hours into Madden, Madden strategy, and Madden theory than any of my opponents. I don't really play other videogames, don't have (nor want) a gf, I live alone, and I don't have anything else to do on my hour long commute on the subway, so why not spend the time strategizing. I don't consider myself on the level of Rors, Smokey, FMT or LJ but the obsessiveness with which I approach the game almost evens out the difference.bluemax said:
I do think that through the draft and just improving over time, the league overall is getting tougher. If we had a cap system in place I am sure that parity would be pretty close to NFL levels. Hell, the Broncos were one of the worst teams in season 1 and won the SB in season 2.
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storybook77
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daw840 said:
I'm not saying it never is stopped but how many NFL teams have the stones to run a FB dive on 4th and short, especially in their own territory, with a guy who rarely touches the ball.
I vary week to week in preperation, though I go more with self scouting and trying to find and add new wrinkles to my own game. I'll gleem over stats, and see which players seem to be "go to" players for my opponents, but I don't get too into detail. I'll just know who "the runners and the throwers" are.
But beyond that, no need, because what you do, can force them into doing something totally different than what they normally do. Like putting up points on Livewire, made him drop his running game, etc.
I will spend a decent bit playing with my edit Patriot team offline. The players are all there from the online league, and I test out formations and plays in gameplay, not practice mode. Practice mode, you just don't get realistic CPU defensive formations to match what you are doing.
But beyond that, no need, because what you do, can force them into doing something totally different than what they normally do. Like putting up points on Livewire, made him drop his running game, etc.
I will spend a decent bit playing with my edit Patriot team offline. The players are all there from the online league, and I test out formations and plays in gameplay, not practice mode. Practice mode, you just don't get realistic CPU defensive formations to match what you are doing.
Wellington
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storybook77 said:
It'll be nice to finally get a home game, after 3 road games. Course, it's CB3 time. There will be no punting this game.
I could very well lose 4 games in a row. They are: Eagles, Bills (LJ), Bronco's (Crow), Ravens (Fifty). That's the NFC Champion, Both AFC Title game contenders, and Mr. Glass himself, wanting revenge for last years game. OY
Nevermind that I follow that with Cowboys (Somnia), Colts (Luke) and a game against my old nemesis, the Giants (CK)
Tough tough season...
I could very well lose 4 games in a row. They are: Eagles, Bills (LJ), Bronco's (Crow), Ravens (Fifty). That's the NFC Champion, Both AFC Title game contenders, and Mr. Glass himself, wanting revenge for last years game. OY
Nevermind that I follow that with Cowboys (Somnia), Colts (Luke) and a game against my old nemesis, the Giants (CK)
Tough tough season...
storybook77
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Lonestar said:
:lol
Wellington
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Lonestar said:
Well I don't practice with my OF team, but like you I do more self scouting than scouting of the other person. Like I told Luke a few weeks ago, the defensive can figure itself out, I believe that I can put big time points up on anyone (aside from LJ). Minimize your mistakes (ints) and you'll be surprised how many more games you win as a result. Been using the same playbook for years now so I have a call for every situation.
I look at tendencies more than anything else. Take away a player's first read and usually they're helpless.
Wellington said:
And that's why i added some more offensive players. I just have to avoid going to Bellows all the time, and to actually use Welker, he's pretty damn good. Not in the Moss sense, but he'll catch anything and loves to break tackles. Bringing back the TE and having Barclay, on top of Slaton. Throw in the Tribow Surprise, and I've baked me a Random Cake of Spectacular Cheesiness.
I've found that at most I can stop FB dive 3 times in a row but no more. I've had at least two games where my opponent ran FB dive 3 or more times in a row from the 1 or 2 before getting it in. I think on the last attempt each time I had the FB in the backfield and still didn't stop it.
The annoying part was knowing that in real life those teams wouldve gone to their stud RBs instead of their no name FBs.
The annoying part was knowing that in real life those teams wouldve gone to their stud RBs instead of their no name FBs.