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Official Madden 13 X360 Thread of Crow and Ramirez Join the NFC West!
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TheDrizzlerJ11
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I have no problems with Crow.
FrenchMovieTheme
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Thanks for making this more transparent. I want everyone to speak their mind. Except rors.
FrenchMovieTheme
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storybook77
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FrenchMovieTheme
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When Eznark calls you a dick, you've hit rock bottom.
unless eznark calls you a racist. then you've fallen through the bottom to a new bottom
When Eznark calls you a dick, you've hit rock bottom.
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Though, I do respect people's time in this game. Ask smokey, I made sure that game last night went super fast! No time outs at all.
storybook77
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If I'm down by more than 2 scores in the 4th quarter, I run the ball unless it's 3rd down and I'm trying to get the first to keep churning the clock.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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If you end the game with timeouts and you lost you have failed your team as a coach.
storybook77
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If you end the game with timeouts and you lost you have failed your team as a coach.
I've wasted my fucking time is what I've done, in that scenario.
If you end the game with timeouts and you lost you have failed your team as a coach.
Don't worry, I called all my time outs against you! Your reputation preceded you.
Aight let me go ahead and bust this open....
One of my issues earlier in the year with crow was that read option crap. While I don't think there is anything wrong with using plays like that every now and then, the way he was using them was irritating. I recorded the game we played before last and watched it not too long after. It was clear to me that the read option stuff does certain things to the defensive ai. Would be like running the wildcat over and over. But whatever you want to use it fine. Then there was qb wrap which is a now banned play. He was using it until Luke or whoever it was brought it to light . Granted he stopped using it but it always seems like he's teetering on the edge of taking advantage of the rules or annoying people. That and when he drafts he seems to catch the cheese of the bunch and it just adds to the perception of shady. Playing dime every single play is also suspect and annoying but admittedly he didn't do this that much last game.
So my two cents.. It never out right crosses the line into cheesing but some of the stuff is borderline. Nighz and rors probably have more detailed stuff since they play him 2x a year..
One of my issues earlier in the year with crow was that read option crap. While I don't think there is anything wrong with using plays like that every now and then, the way he was using them was irritating. I recorded the game we played before last and watched it not too long after. It was clear to me that the read option stuff does certain things to the defensive ai. Would be like running the wildcat over and over. But whatever you want to use it fine. Then there was qb wrap which is a now banned play. He was using it until Luke or whoever it was brought it to light . Granted he stopped using it but it always seems like he's teetering on the edge of taking advantage of the rules or annoying people. That and when he drafts he seems to catch the cheese of the bunch and it just adds to the perception of shady. Playing dime every single play is also suspect and annoying but admittedly he didn't do this that much last game.
So my two cents.. It never out right crosses the line into cheesing but some of the stuff is borderline. Nighz and rors probably have more detailed stuff since they play him 2x a year..
1. QB wrap wasn't a big part of my offense. Josh Johnson had very little rushing yards and I recall a post during that season showed that even Roethlisberger had more rushing yards.
2. I play dime because of how strong TEs are in the game and I usually run it when I have a big lead. By then I want you to run the ball and kill the clock.
3. I've cut down my use of the read option at least until I have a qb that can run it all game.
4. I don't think my drafts are anything special.
Perception is reality.
Like I said nothing outright cheesing, just annoying to play against. Whether QB wrap was part of the crow playbook or not the perception is that you were using a glitch play. It's like you play more of the "gamey" part of Madden rather than football. Which again is fine, but doesn't make it any less annoying. Regarding Dime...that's fine do what you do just pointing some things out in the games that we've played.
I don't think you should be kicked out of the league or anything though but some things could change.
As someone who has no interest in american football I have no other way of looking at Madden. It's a game and I like to win. I run plays from the playbook but I don't seek exploits. I just use what works until my opponents adapts. I'm fine with making changes to appease the league.
ban crow
It should no longer be an issue, just look at my boxscores. Tebow has at most played 5 offensive downs. Even then it's usually when I'm trying to kill the clock at the end of games.
storybook77
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So you join a sim league? This isn't meant to be an attack, just genuinely curious now.
I like playing FIFA but I'm no means a big soccer fan and wouldn't think of joining any kind of league.
I stumbled across the thread and was interested in the managing aspect. I spent a lot of time in franchise mode in madden 05, or whichever one had the radio guy. Plus I liked the competition and drama that went on. As for pro football, I'll watch a game every now and then but I'm not a fan of any team.
DCX
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Crow has two modes of play. League and oh shit I might lose.
League:
plays straight up for the most part running a Sim like offense like we all do.
Oh shit I might lose:
- sits in a dime D usering a lb and starts running around in circles presnap to get an artificial acceleration boost when the ball is snapped. Did did multiple times that resulted in him shooting into a gap and make a tackle for loss or even loss when I ran or super coverage on my slot or te.
I noticed on a goalline stand he made he did this and I waited till the clock was almost zero to see what he was doing. He made a couple bad reads on my snap and almost jumped the line but went back to circling him to get that jump.
- LJ brought up this global hitstick/ball hawk theory and I have witnessed the hitstick in league and random play and its obvious when it happens because the year is no where near the ball carrier and it does the missed hit stick animation and get it activates the hit stick for the closest defender. He brought up the ball hawk side of this and I saw in action with Crow. Now of course he will deny this and I won't have proof other than my statement since a replay of the play would back up what I saw but here goes.
Third and long he comes out in a zone and I run a play that has Julio running a streak, Crow is usering his lb and makes a b line to my TE running a curl on mid field...in flight he runs straight across the field no doubt holding Y as the safety and CB pursuit changed. Most people would click on and user pick it or click on and ball hawk..he ran right out of bounds..Julio had the CB beat and the saftey cheated in the TE a bit and I pass lead to the sidelines which usually results in a huge gain or out of bounds. ( scored a TD against Bird with the same play and coverage in which Bird clicked on and was late and Julio went in for the score ) nope. The global hawk resulted in a bs into from the safety and even the cb recovered so much he was in position too...like a magnet.
Now we all ball hawk. Especially on ducks or balls on our zones but this was bullshit and was blatant.
In a game where it was 10-7 and all of a sudden a pick resulted in him scoring and then this ball hawk bs pick gave him another scoring chance it turned a Sim game into fyidm with the bag of cheese.
I'm not a good or even average player, but fuck this league if we have dudes doing shit like this.
DCX
League:
plays straight up for the most part running a Sim like offense like we all do.
Oh shit I might lose:
- sits in a dime D usering a lb and starts running around in circles presnap to get an artificial acceleration boost when the ball is snapped. Did did multiple times that resulted in him shooting into a gap and make a tackle for loss or even loss when I ran or super coverage on my slot or te.
I noticed on a goalline stand he made he did this and I waited till the clock was almost zero to see what he was doing. He made a couple bad reads on my snap and almost jumped the line but went back to circling him to get that jump.
- LJ brought up this global hitstick/ball hawk theory and I have witnessed the hitstick in league and random play and its obvious when it happens because the year is no where near the ball carrier and it does the missed hit stick animation and get it activates the hit stick for the closest defender. He brought up the ball hawk side of this and I saw in action with Crow. Now of course he will deny this and I won't have proof other than my statement since a replay of the play would back up what I saw but here goes.
Third and long he comes out in a zone and I run a play that has Julio running a streak, Crow is usering his lb and makes a b line to my TE running a curl on mid field...in flight he runs straight across the field no doubt holding Y as the safety and CB pursuit changed. Most people would click on and user pick it or click on and ball hawk..he ran right out of bounds..Julio had the CB beat and the saftey cheated in the TE a bit and I pass lead to the sidelines which usually results in a huge gain or out of bounds. ( scored a TD against Bird with the same play and coverage in which Bird clicked on and was late and Julio went in for the score ) nope. The global hawk resulted in a bs into from the safety and even the cb recovered so much he was in position too...like a magnet.
Now we all ball hawk. Especially on ducks or balls on our zones but this was bullshit and was blatant.
In a game where it was 10-7 and all of a sudden a pick resulted in him scoring and then this ball hawk bs pick gave him another scoring chance it turned a Sim game into fyidm with the bag of cheese.
I'm not a good or even average player, but fuck this league if we have dudes doing shit like this.
DCX
TheDrizzlerJ11
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DCX you fucked with the cap. You have by far done the most disrespectful thing out of any of the current 32 (at least while I've been here). You need to not have strong opinions on stuff like this.
I havent played him once this season. And there is no stat i can really look at as proof of anything. So im mostly neutral in this.
I'm confused about the out of bounds play. If Crow is playing MLB that seems a lot of ground to cover to run out of bounds. If he ran out of bounds and off the TE why didn't you throw to the TE?
Streak passes are the toughest to make in the game. I could point countless examples of how pressing down Y has stopped me from getting a deep completion into an interception. I've pretty much stopped throwing them now.
Streak passes are the toughest to make in the game. I could point countless examples of how pressing down Y has stopped me from getting a deep completion into an interception. I've pretty much stopped throwing them now.
Crow was the LB. He ran to cover the TE, while holding Y so that the secondary covered. The ball was in the air but Crow just held Y and continued to run his LB out of bounds because he wasn't paying attention to the LB, just the guys he was "controlling" with autoballhawk.
That's how I read it anyway.
Just if the ball comes in the vicinity of your player. Right?
Like I said, it was 3rd down, and I would have just kicked a FG had I not got the first down anyways, would you have said I was running it up if I kicked the FG? It's not like I was TRYING to score on that play, it just happened. I could have scored a lot more than 42 if I wanted to.
lol, fuck you CB.
I'll gladly drop out of the league if I'm such a dick or someone has a problem with the way I play. Everything I do is magnified, everyone piles on every chance they get. If I have a legitimate complaint (such as Smokey's 4th down) it's brushed off as me being a baby, which is bullshit.
Certain people play me differently, treat the game differently. I know Smokey does it, Crow admitted to it (which would be my main complaint against him, the guy basically said he got Josh Johnson just to cheese me), and Luke last year would bend over backwards to fuck me in a game. I see them as good for the league, everyone isn't supposed to like each other, and people really seem to love to hate me, so if the shoe fits, ya know?
But I feel like if my biggest faults are padding my stats against the cpu twice, and a perceived notion of me running up the score are the worst I've committed, then half of the league should retire.
As FMT said, people aren't refusing to play me, and it's because I play a clean game, so if you would like me to quit so you can replace me with some dumbass from the gaming side, then I'll be happy to oblige.
Also, in the game I played against Crow, he used some defensive formation where the DE's were lined up about 5 yards out from the rest of the DL, it was suspect, and it's all he ran all game.
Yeah I got that. But if we are going to condemn Crow for ballhawk we might as well stop this league.
Sort of. Atleast from what Ive experienced. You still need to move your player in the direction. Then there's the talks that holding down Y on a completely different player turns ballhawking on for every defender.
...Path of Exile does look preeeeeeeety good.......
Too busy to post about Crow and Ram-gate right now in any degree of detail.
OP contains artifacts from previous OP, I deleted some and didn't delete running up the score - accidental, not intentional.
All I am going to say right now about running up the score is this: league is supposed to be fun and ideally (and maybe, fantastically) you all - for the most part - actually like each other and can play each other honestly and respectfully. I know it doesn't always happen and wanting that is probably naive, and Christ I don't think every game is gonna be a 23-17 nailbiter, but people should try and play the game how they wanna be played against.
This is a league that strives to be a sim league and that doesn't mean leaving your star QB in up 35-0 and it doesn't mean feeding your star wideout 21 completions against the CPU. It means distributing the ball as best you can, it means not sitting in unrealistic coverages that work really well in the game - dollar 2 man against 3 TE, seriously?
At this point I am pretty tired of the seemingly disrespectful play between bros. I'll edit the OP to remove the running up the score rules when I'm home.
OP contains artifacts from previous OP, I deleted some and didn't delete running up the score - accidental, not intentional.
All I am going to say right now about running up the score is this: league is supposed to be fun and ideally (and maybe, fantastically) you all - for the most part - actually like each other and can play each other honestly and respectfully. I know it doesn't always happen and wanting that is probably naive, and Christ I don't think every game is gonna be a 23-17 nailbiter, but people should try and play the game how they wanna be played against.
This is a league that strives to be a sim league and that doesn't mean leaving your star QB in up 35-0 and it doesn't mean feeding your star wideout 21 completions against the CPU. It means distributing the ball as best you can, it means not sitting in unrealistic coverages that work really well in the game - dollar 2 man against 3 TE, seriously?
At this point I am pretty tired of the seemingly disrespectful play between bros. I'll edit the OP to remove the running up the score rules when I'm home.
But I didn't cheese you with Josh Johnson. I play you differently because of how you run you defense. You don't rush many so my QB has room to run and I rather have Josh Johnson running than Peyton. Nevertheless Peyton still played the vast majority of the game.
This actually is accurate, Ram doesn't blitz and has 8-9 in coverage - this is a good example of a gameplan from the Crow!